This is the truth and the way. The soul of Halo lies in its original design. Until that is found and understood, Halo will always be a shell of its former self. Here are things that infinite needs to change in order to fully restore Halo to its former glory. I will make constructive criticism without being mean.
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I will start with a compliment. 343 did a good job with MC for the first time. In fact they nailed him. This is what upset me most about Halo 4/5. Chief wasnt the Chief.
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It looks like Halo 4/5. Art style or not it still LOOKS like Halo 5 does. People say Halo 3 looks the same but it does not. This is due to a combination of bad character models and the textures/overall grain/filter of the game. Old Halo games were very artistic. The characters blend into their environment while in 4/5 and infinite, they pop out. The graphics for the ground, dirt/foliage and some of the environment (minus megablox) look really good its just the characters do not blend in to them, they stand out and the new brute armor and the models for the new grunts are the worst case of it. Just use the Halo 2 and 3 models they are 10x better.
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Put back all classic weapons and make them first class. All new weapons come secondary and take a back seat. These are tried and true weapons. Take the shotgun for example. High risk high reward. A skill weapon, no room for error but super deadly weapon in the right hands. Iconic design and sound. Now replaced by a weapon with essentially the same function as the SAW. Doesnt take much skill to use and doesnt give you any risk. But gives you a consistent and easy to use weapon that is good but super bland.
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Sprint is not a deal breaker for campaign but not in MP. Dont do it.
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Fix the AR. It sounds like trash. Halo 1 had the best AR sound. I have no idea why that was never brought back.
6.Forerunners - Forerunners are Humans. That is all I have to say about them.
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Too CLEAN. When old fans say 343s Halo is too clean, what we mean is everything is too perfect and alien. In the older Halo games there was no damage indicator. There were still limits to this technology. You really feel like everything is advanced but only to a certain degree. In Halo 1 guilty spark mentions that MCs suit is very low level. It is cutting edge for humans but nothing to forerunners etc… The shield recharge design is an example in infinite. In the old games the effect was very crude and like a piece of prototype military equipment. In infinite it just seems like too much.
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You gotta fix the wall textures on the megablox things. Make them look like the forerunner metal in Halo 3 or something. Anything is better probably.
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Flood must return. Yes.
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M rated, yes. Blood that looks like blood not colored mist. Marines should be cussing. Yes.
Ok so 343 made the right move with the delay but still need to address these problems. This will be Halo for 10 years and if you really make enough Classic fans mad it will be the last straw for so many. Halo cannot survive without the core oldschool fans. Some are fans of both but many are not. So many of us bought 4/5 and felt burned in some way. If infinite doesnt change many of these things we arent buying, and i somewhat believe this is partially why they are delaying or at least I hope so. We will not be happy with anything that doesnt LOOK AND FEEL like Halo.
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> This is the truth and the way. The soul of Halo lies in its original design. Until that is found and understood, Halo will always be a shell of its former self. Here are things that infinite needs to change in order to fully restore Halo to its former glory. I will make constructive criticism without being mean.
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> 1. I will start with a compliment. 343 did a good job with MC for the first time. In fact they nailed him. This is what upset me most about Halo 4/5. Chief wasnt the Chief.
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> 2. It looks like Halo 4/5. Art style or not it still LOOKS like Halo 5 does. People say Halo 3 looks the same but it does not. This is due to a combination of bad character models and the textures/overall grain/filter of the game. Old Halo games were very artistic. The characters blend into their environment while in 4/5 and infinite, they pop out. The graphics for the ground, dirt/foliage and some of the environment (minus megablox) look really good its just the characters do not blend in to them, they stand out and the new brute armor and the models for the new grunts are the worst case of it. Just use the Halo 2 and 3 models they are 10x better.
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> 3. Put back all classic weapons and make them first class. All new weapons come secondary and take a back seat. These are tried and true weapons. Take the shotgun for example. High risk high reward. A skill weapon, no room for error but super deadly weapon in the right hands. Iconic design and sound. Now replaced by a weapon with essentially the same function as the SAW. Doesnt take much skill to use and doesnt give you any risk. But gives you a consistent and easy to use weapon that is good but super bland.
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> 4. Sprint is not a deal breaker for campaign but not in MP. Dont do it.
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> 5. Fix the AR. It sounds like trash. Halo 1 had the best AR sound. I have no idea why that was never brought back.
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> 6.Forerunners - Forerunners are Humans. That is all I have to say about them.
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> 7. Too CLEAN. When old fans say 343s Halo is too clean, what we mean is everything is too perfect and alien. In the older Halo games there was no damage indicator. There were still limits to this technology. You really feel like everything is advanced but only to a certain degree. In Halo 1 guilty spark mentions that MCs suit is very low level. It is cutting edge for humans but nothing to forerunners etc… The shield recharge design is an example in infinite. In the old games the effect was very crude and like a piece of prototype military equipment. In infinite it just seems like too much.
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> 8. You gotta fix the wall textures on the megablox things. Make them look like the forerunner metal in Halo 3 or something. Anything is better probably.
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> 9. Flood must return. Yes.
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> 10. M rated, yes. Blood that looks like blood not colored mist. Marines should be cussing. Yes.
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> Ok so 343 made the right move with the delay but still need to address these problems. This will be Halo for 10 years and if you really make enough Classic fans mad it will be the last straw for so many. Halo cannot survive without the core oldschool fans. Some are fans of both but many are not. So many of us bought 4/5 and felt burned in some way. If infinite doesnt change many of these things we arent buying, and i somewhat believe this is partially why they are delaying or at least I hope so. We will not be happy with anything that doesnt LOOK AND FEEL like Halo.
Main flaw here is that the potential new fans far exceed the old fans. 343i would garner more players by appealing to newer players. They may just eventually abandon the old fanbase if Halo becomes mainstream again. Hopefully that doesn’t happen but it’s a possibility.
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> This is the truth and the way. The soul of Halo lies in its original design. Until that is found and understood, Halo will always be a shell of its former self. Here are things that infinite needs to change in order to fully restore Halo to its former glory. I will make constructive criticism without being mean.
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> 1. I will start with a compliment. 343 did a good job with MC for the first time. In fact they nailed him. This is what upset me most about Halo 4/5. Chief wasnt the Chief.
>
> 2. It looks like Halo 4/5. Art style or not it still LOOKS like Halo 5 does. People say Halo 3 looks the same but it does not. This is due to a combination of bad character models and the textures/overall grain/filter of the game. Old Halo games were very artistic. The characters blend into their environment while in 4/5 and infinite, they pop out. The graphics for the ground, dirt/foliage and some of the environment (minus megablox) look really good its just the characters do not blend in to them, they stand out and the new brute armor and the models for the new grunts are the worst case of it. Just use the Halo 2 and 3 models they are 10x better.
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> 3. Put back all classic weapons and make them first class. All new weapons come secondary and take a back seat. These are tried and true weapons. Take the shotgun for example. High risk high reward. A skill weapon, no room for error but super deadly weapon in the right hands. Iconic design and sound. Now replaced by a weapon with essentially the same function as the SAW. Doesnt take much skill to use and doesnt give you any risk. But gives you a consistent and easy to use weapon that is good but super bland.
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> 4. Sprint is not a deal breaker for campaign but not in MP. Dont do it.
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> 5. Fix the AR. It sounds like trash. Halo 1 had the best AR sound. I have no idea why that was never brought back.
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> 6.Forerunners - Forerunners are Humans. That is all I have to say about them.
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> 7. Too CLEAN. When old fans say 343s Halo is too clean, what we mean is everything is too perfect and alien. In the older Halo games there was no damage indicator. There were still limits to this technology. You really feel like everything is advanced but only to a certain degree. In Halo 1 guilty spark mentions that MCs suit is very low level. It is cutting edge for humans but nothing to forerunners etc… The shield recharge design is an example in infinite. In the old games the effect was very crude and like a piece of prototype military equipment. In infinite it just seems like too much.
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> 8. You gotta fix the wall textures on the megablox things. Make them look like the forerunner metal in Halo 3 or something. Anything is better probably.
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> 9. Flood must return. Yes.
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> 10. M rated, yes. Blood that looks like blood not colored mist. Marines should be cussing. Yes.
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> Ok so 343 made the right move with the delay but still need to address these problems. This will be Halo for 10 years and if you really make enough Classic fans mad it will be the last straw for so many. Halo cannot survive without the core oldschool fans. Some are fans of both but many are not. So many of us bought 4/5 and felt burned in some way. If infinite doesnt change many of these things we arent buying, and i somewhat believe this is partially why they are delaying or at least I hope so. We will not be happy with anything that doesnt LOOK AND FEEL like Halo.
A lot of design choices are set and have been shown at the reveal, the delay isn’t for a complete overhaul it’s for refinement, beta testing and stability, they’ve shown their hand in regards to what the game is or isn’t, the fans have now had time to digest and get used to it, they won’t backflip on that I’m certain.
Id also set my expectations for a sept 2021 release window thus buying them around a nine mo th buffer on the November 2020 release window. I have no inside knowledge but logic suggests you don’t delay a game go through the nedia/fan backlash for a 4 month buffer you want something substantial if your going to endure the PR hit.
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> Main flaw here is that the potential new fans far exceed the old fans. 343i would garner more players by appealing to newer players. They may just eventually abandon the old fanbase if Halo becomes mainstream again. Hopefully that doesn’t happen but it’s a possibility.
This is not true unless they fundamentally change Halo and it also happens to be a masterpiece like Halo was. Highly unlikely. Halo is already mega popular. Any fans of 343s versions of Halo have already been attracted. The thing is, there are plenty of classic fans like myself that purchased 4/5 because “Halo” and were severely disappointed. People like us are not buying unless they make big changes. Casuals will move on after the hype wears down. It is the hardcore community that provides that platform for longevity. There is a good chance a few months after launch that the only people playing will be people that played Halo 4/5 regularly. Unless big changes are made, that is my opinion.
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> A lot of design choices are set and have been shown at the reveal, the delay isn’t for a complete overhaul it’s for refinement, beta testing and stability, they’ve shown their hand in regards to what the game is or isn’t, the fans have now had time to digest and get used to it, they won’t backflip on that I’m certain.
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> Id also set my expectations for a sept 2021 release window thus buying them around a nine mo th buffer on the November 2020 release window. I have no inside knowledge but logic suggests you don’t delay a game go through the nedia/fan backlash for a 4 month buffer you want something substantial if your going to endure the PR hit.
I agree but I thought it was a small sign of hope. They need to delay the game for even longer than and get it right. Initial sales will not keep Halo around. 343s version of Halo is riding on fumes and fake hype.
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> > Id also set my expectations for a sept 2021 release window thus buying them around a nine mo th buffer on the November 2020 release window. I have no inside knowledge but logic suggests you don’t delay a game go through the nedia/fan backlash for a 4 month buffer you want something substantial if your going to endure the PR hit.
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> I agree but I thought it was a small sign of hope. They need to delay the game for even longer than and get it right. Initial sales will not keep Halo around. 343s version of Halo is riding on fumes and fake hype.
Theres a lot of moving parts and competing interests to be taken into account in regards to halo infinite development cycle, I’ll use blood that you list as example. Old school halo blood effects can’t exist in the modern space why?
The rating system they want the lowest rating to appeal to the broadest western market possible secondly and more importantly the Chinese market blood spatter and despawning of bodies required a special patch for the mcc just to get into the Chinese market.
So to follow to the rules across the broadest markets, the gas effects and quick body despawn is the comprisimise and is as far as 343 can push the envelope on this.
Moving parts and competing interests of AAA development at work right there. As classic fans we might really really want the blood effects ect but as my example shows it simply just can’t be viable in the modern gaming landscape
I think people fail to realize that a delay doesn’t mean 343 is going to add anything more to the game or change and mechanics of the game. The purpose of dealing the game is to make sure that it has all the content that was planned for it at launch, not to add more work to stuff that they already need to be done by launch.
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> Theres a lot of moving parts and competing interests to be taken into account in regards to halo infinite development cycle, I’ll use blood that you list as example. Old school halo blood effects can’t exist in the modern space why?
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> The rating system they want the lowest rating to appeal to the broadest western market possible secondly and more importantly the Chinese market blood spatter and despawning of bodies required a special patch for the mcc just to get into the Chinese market.
> So to follow to the rules across the broadest markets, the gas effects and quick body despawn is the comprisimise and is as far as 343 can push the envelope on this.
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> Moving parts and competing interests of AAA development at work right there. As classic fans we might really really want the blood effects ect but as my example shows it simply just can’t be viable in the modern gaming landscape
Its totally viable. They just dont want to do it. Plenty of big AAA games have blood.
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> I think people fail to realize that a delay doesn’t mean 343 is going to add anything more to the game or change and mechanics of the game. The purpose of dealing the game is to make sure that it has all the content that was planned for it at launch, not to add more work to stuff that they already need to be done by launch.
They had 5 years plus they already delayed. So this stuff shouldve been worked out already. They delayed after the reveal, which suggests it is from the backlash from classic fans and people memeing the graphics.
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> > The rating system they want the lowest rating to appeal to the broadest western market possible secondly and more importantly the Chinese market blood spatter and despawning of bodies required a special patch for the mcc just to get into the Chinese market.
> > So to follow to the rules across the broadest markets, the gas effects and quick body despawn is the comprisimise and is as far as 343 can push the envelope on this.
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> > Moving parts and competing interests of AAA development at work right there. As classic fans we might really really want the blood effects ect but as my example shows it simply just can’t be viable in the modern gaming landscape
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> Its totally viable. They just dont want to do it. Plenty of big AAA games have blood.
So it’s a case of you want it, but 343 isn’t going to give it to you, ( for reasons already explained ) as a consumer you need to decide if that’s a deal breaker for you or not?
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No its a case of compromised art. Halo is already compromised enough to appeal to wider audience and that is the problem. Im trying to explain that? Not a good long term strategy for an M rated game series.
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> They had 5 years plus they already delayed. So this stuff shouldve been worked out already. They delayed after the reveal, which suggests it is from the backlash from classic fans and people memeing the graphics.
They had 5 years and already decided their gameplay direction, which seems to be a hybrid of H5 and H3 combat. They aren’t delaying the game to change that completely but to polish that vision.
Also not to mention choosing to delay a launch like this most definitely would take longer than 3 weeks. Not saying the backlash to the trailer (which was mostly about it’s visuals) didn’t factor in, but it wasn’t the only factor.
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> Also not to mention choosing to delay a launch like this most definitely would take longer than 3 weeks. Not saying the backlash to the trailer (which was mostly about it’s visuals) didn’t factor in, but it wasn’t the only factor.
Yeah I dont believe this. I believe it was the memes and the backlash from replacing the magnum and shotgun. It would not take that long to put these in and also make some of the changes i am talking about.
If they dont put the guns in then I guess not but we will see. These are a deal breaker for many.
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> No its a case of compromised art. Halo is already compromised enough to appeal to wider audience and that is the problem. Im trying to explain that? Not a good long term strategy for an M rated game series.
You see it as this way obviously 343 see it another way.
Time will tell if it’s the correct way for 343 Halo or not , the delay is a step in the right derection but as I stated earlier I honestly am not expecting any gameplay overhaul from 343 in any way shape or form during this time.
I’ll just be satisfied with a beta program that will solve a lot of my current misgivings.
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> Time will tell if it’s the correct way for 343 Halo or not , the delay is a step in the right derection but as I stated earlier I honestly am not expecting any gameplay overhaul from 343 in any way shape or form during this time.
> I’ll just be satisfied with a beta program that will solve a lot of my current misgivings.
Time has already told though. They cannot outsell the old games even at a time when video game sales are up 200% since Halo 3 (2007)
The series is stagnant and will only go downhill. There was a ton of hype for infinite but so many people were let down by what they saw (essentially a game that looks like Halo 5). If it sells well off of hype it will be the final nail in the coffin when the player base drops in 2 months.
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> > Time will tell if it’s the correct way for 343 Halo or not , the delay is a step in the right derection but as I stated earlier I honestly am not expecting any gameplay overhaul from 343 in any way shape or form during this time.
> > I’ll just be satisfied with a beta program that will solve a lot of my current misgivings.
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> Time has already told though. They cannot outsell the old games even at a time when video game sales are up 200% since Halo 3 (2007)
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> The series is stagnant and will only go downhill. There was a ton of hype for infinite but so many people were let down by what they saw (essentially a game that looks like Halo 5).
The game isn’t out yet so your just speculating, I don’t care about previous sales numbers I’m just going to look at what’s in front of me come the infinite release, and base my opinions praise/criticism on my personal perceptions of the product offered…
Until then I’ll patiently wait and even praise 343 for taking the adult decision in rather difficult circumstances to try and give us the best product possible come launch day.
Great post, it’s time for another true Halo game, one that does not have sprint, great campaign, playable elites, original art style, etc.
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This.
Anyone who thinks that the delay is for removing and changing core elements of the game (ex: sprint) are going to be disappointed. They’ve already made those decisions and committed to them, now they are refining and testing it all.
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> This.
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> Anyone who thinks that the delay is for removing and changing core elements of the game (ex: sprint) are going to be disappointed. They’ve already made those decisions and committed to them, now they are refining and testing it all.
Agreed. The one “addition” I hope we can expect is the ray tracing “upgrade” for Series X players being available at launch/standard vs. an update/upgrade subsequent to the game’s release.
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> This is the truth and the way. The soul of Halo lies in its original design. Until that is found and understood, Halo will always be a shell of its former self. Here are things that infinite needs to change in order to fully restore Halo to its former glory. I will make constructive criticism without being mean.
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> 1. I will start with a compliment. 343 did a good job with MC for the first time. In fact they nailed him. This is what upset me most about Halo 4/5. Chief wasnt the Chief.
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> 2. It looks like Halo 4/5. Art style or not it still LOOKS like Halo 5 does. People say Halo 3 looks the same but it does not. This is due to a combination of bad character models and the textures/overall grain/filter of the game. Old Halo games were very artistic. The characters blend into their environment while in 4/5 and infinite, they pop out. The graphics for the ground, dirt/foliage and some of the environment (minus megablox) look really good its just the characters do not blend in to them, they stand out and the new brute armor and the models for the new grunts are the worst case of it. Just use the Halo 2 and 3 models they are 10x better.
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> 3. Put back all classic weapons and make them first class. All new weapons come secondary and take a back seat. These are tried and true weapons. Take the shotgun for example. High risk high reward. A skill weapon, no room for error but super deadly weapon in the right hands. Iconic design and sound. Now replaced by a weapon with essentially the same function as the SAW. Doesnt take much skill to use and doesnt give you any risk. But gives you a consistent and easy to use weapon that is good but super bland.
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> 4. Sprint is not a deal breaker for campaign but not in MP. Dont do it.
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> 5. Fix the AR. It sounds like trash. Halo 1 had the best AR sound. I have no idea why that was never brought back.
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> 6.Forerunners - Forerunners are Humans. That is all I have to say about them.
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> 7. Too CLEAN. When old fans say 343s Halo is too clean, what we mean is everything is too perfect and alien. In the older Halo games there was no damage indicator. There were still limits to this technology. You really feel like everything is advanced but only to a certain degree. In Halo 1 guilty spark mentions that MCs suit is very low level. It is cutting edge for humans but nothing to forerunners etc… The shield recharge design is an example in infinite. In the old games the effect was very crude and like a piece of prototype military equipment. In infinite it just seems like too much.
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> 8. You gotta fix the wall textures on the megablox things. Make them look like the forerunner metal in Halo 3 or something. Anything is better probably.
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> 9. Flood must return. Yes.
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> 10. M rated, yes. Blood that looks like blood not colored mist. Marines should be cussing. Yes.
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> Ok so 343 made the right move with the delay but still need to address these problems. This will be Halo for 10 years and if you really make enough Classic fans mad it will be the last straw for so many. Halo cannot survive without the core oldschool fans. Some are fans of both but many are not. So many of us bought 4/5 and felt burned in some way. If infinite doesnt change many of these things we arent buying, and i somewhat believe this is partially why they are delaying or at least I hope so. We will not be happy with anything that doesnt LOOK AND FEEL like Halo.
thats very true. If halo went back to being its own unique game people would come back to it and others would play for the first time and continue to play because it is a unique game unlike other generic shooters out rn.
The only things I would add are no abilities in addition to sprint, bring back duel wielding, and balanced equipment like in h3.