This is what I was/am trying to point out to all of the people saying Halo 5 is the worst Halo yet.
> Every single Halo title has had its issues that people pointed out and hated, but in the end those same games and specifics in the games are now praised and loved. Halo 2 was absolutely despised at launch and even a few years after, but is now considered the best Halo title ever released. All of the Halo titles have introduce new and dynamic features to the game, most of which were hated, but now are loved by players. Bungie was not perfect, they made mistakes in games and even admit to it. 343 admitted to Halo 4 being bad. Give them a chance and just remember that this arguing and debating over content, ranting about how this is the worst Halo ever made is nothing new at all. This community is no different than it was back in 2004. Don’t believe me, go to the old Bungie forums for Halo 2. Pointing out faults in something is good, it gives the creators a chance to see it, but be constructive about. Be realistic about it.
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> > People think the community was as bad then as it is now? Yeah, maybe because the community has a whole lot less people in it now that complain about the current games because they left the series.
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> > Halo 2 dealt with backlash from CE purists. Reach, H4 and H5 dealt with backlash from classic purists (which is, of course, much more people). Throw in now how sales and population are suffering and it’s very clear that it’s worse now than before.
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> Halo sales have been declining since Halo 3 as well as population.
> Yes, I standby the statement that this community is the same as it was then.
They been declining since Reach. Halo 3 was the series peak in sales and population.
You must also not be familiar with the sales for each game, including this one, if you think this was the typical decline that people expected.
You think the community is the same, but it’s undeniable that plenty of people have left the franchise. And as I said that’s the only reason it may be on the same level is because a bunch of people that would be here complaining have since decided it’s no longer worth playing the games.
Every thing was entirely true op. I wish I could somehow force the entire Halo community to read this! They need to. Every Halo game was despised at some point and had flaws the were pointed out to no end. This community is so ironic; full of complainers and nostalgic people. Just play Halo and either hate it or love it!
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> > > People think the community was as bad then as it is now? Yeah, maybe because the community has a whole lot less people in it now that complain about the current games because they left the series.
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> > > Halo 2 dealt with backlash from CE purists. Reach, H4 and H5 dealt with backlash from classic purists (which is, of course, much more people). Throw in now how sales and population are suffering and it’s very clear that it’s worse now than before.
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> > Halo sales have been declining since Halo 3 as well as population.
> > Yes, I standby the statement that this community is the same as it was then.
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> They been declining since Reach. Halo 3 was the series peak in sales and population.
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> You must also not be familiar with the sales for each game, including this one, if you think this was the typical decline that people expected.
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> You think the community is the same, but it’s undeniable that plenty of people have left the franchise. And as I said that’s the only reason it may be on the same level is because a bunch of people that would be here complaining have since decided it’s no longer worth playing the games.
This. People think that we’re just making up the fact that the vets left because of 343’s changes, but there’s just way too much evidence that its exactly what happened. I’ve even heard random people in gamestop talking about how they quit Halo because of 343 when H5 commercials would come on.
Nobody hates halo more than the people who play halo.
I played online shooters before halo 2, but never before had I spoken with so many jerks who hate the game they were currently playing with such a fiery passion.
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> > > People think the community was as bad then as it is now? Yeah, maybe because the community has a whole lot less people in it now that complain about the current games because they left the series.
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> > > Halo 2 dealt with backlash from CE purists. Reach, H4 and H5 dealt with backlash from classic purists (which is, of course, much more people). Throw in now how sales and population are suffering and it’s very clear that it’s worse now than before.
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> > Halo sales have been declining since Halo 3 as well as population.
> > Yes, I standby the statement that this community is the same as it was then.
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> They been declining since Reach. Halo 3 was the series peak in sales and population.
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> You must also not be familiar with the sales for each game, including this one, if you think this was the typical decline that people expected.
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> You think the community is the same, but it’s undeniable that plenty of people have left the franchise. And as I said that’s the only reason it may be on the same level is because a bunch of people that would be here complaining have since decided it’s no longer worth playing the games.
Halo sales started declining after cod 4, and has continued mainly because halo caters to a different audience. Everyone wants 343 to go back to the classic formula when sales were high but they forget how many players left halo for the faster pace of cod, I don’t think going back is the right answer. Most casuals will now purchase games like cod or destiny but there is still a core audience that loves halo, and there always will be. Halo 5 did an awesome job making halo relevant against modern shooters while sticking to it competitive arena roots. Halo has much, much more competition today than it did in the days of halo 3, as far as people leaving many of the old school halo fans are grown up now in their 30s and have probably given up gaming in general. At least we have the master chief collection to kinda bring back that nostalgia from our childhood, but halo will continue to change and evolve and ten years from now we will be playing halo 5 anniversary griping about how bad the latest addition to the series is.
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> > > > People think the community was as bad then as it is now? Yeah, maybe because the community has a whole lot less people in it now that complain about the current games because they left the series.
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> > > > Halo 2 dealt with backlash from CE purists. Reach, H4 and H5 dealt with backlash from classic purists (which is, of course, much more people). Throw in now how sales and population are suffering and it’s very clear that it’s worse now than before.
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> > > Halo sales have been declining since Halo 3 as well as population.
> > > Yes, I standby the statement that this community is the same as it was then.
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> > They been declining since Reach. Halo 3 was the series peak in sales and population.
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> > You must also not be familiar with the sales for each game, including this one, if you think this was the typical decline that people expected.
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> > You think the community is the same, but it’s undeniable that plenty of people have left the franchise. And as I said that’s the only reason it may be on the same level is because a bunch of people that would be here complaining have since decided it’s no longer worth playing the games.
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> Halo sales started declining after cod 4, and has continued mainly because halo caters to a different audience. Everyone wants 343 to go back to the classic formula when sales were high but they forget how many players left halo for the faster pace of cod, I don’t think going back is the right answer. Most casuals will now purchase games like cod or destiny but there is still a core audience that loves halo, and there always will be. Halo 5 did an awesome job making halo relevant against modern shooters while sticking to it competitive arena roots. Halo has much, much more competition today than it did in the days of halo 3, as far as people leaving many of the old school halo fans are grown up now in their 30s and have probably given up gaming in general. At least we have the master chief collection to kinda bring back that nostalgia from our childhood, but halo will continue to change and evolve and ten years from now we will be playing halo 5 anniversary griping about how bad the latest addition to the series is.
Aside from what you said about Halos sales in regards to CoD4 being flat out wrong, that post pretty much consists of the typical, “Halos massive decline in sales and population is because of every excuse under the sun - except the excuse people think the games aren’t very good anymore.”
Also, why would they make a Halo 5 anniversary in ten years when it’s one of the worst selling games in the series? That doesn’t make any sense.
Unfortunately Halo Reach was the only Halo game that I didn’t get to play much, as Black ops 1 came out during that period. Although I see a lot of people hating that game so much. It also feels like I’m the only person in the world that genuinely loved Halo 4. I had so much fun playing all the different fun modes, it was casual, yet Halo 5 is too competitive in my opinion.
I agree with everything you’ve said in your post. People will never be satisfied with new games, they will only complain about everything they possible can, instead of enjoying and admiring the game for what it is. Halo 5 is an amazing game, a great step in the right direction, all I’m wishing for is some casual playlists.
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> Every thing was entirely true op. I wish I could somehow force the entire Halo community to read this! They need to. Every Halo game was despised at some point and had flaws the were pointed out to no end. This community is so ironic; full of complainers and nostalgic people. Just play Halo and either hate it or love it!
People would be happier if they would focus on the good in things, and if they do see wrong, criticize it in a way that isn’t so ill mannered.
So true Arising and could not agree more also being Halo veteran since CE. Since Halo 2’s announcement to me, the forums were always and continue to be a comical Sponge Bob skit!
<12 hours before release>
Sponge Bob: Patrick!! Tonight is the night! The the most WO----NDER-FUL game ever created comes out!!. I haven’t slept in daaaays! Laughs Patrick: Ohh boy Sponge Bob, I can’t wait!! uh hahaha
<12 hours and one minute later>
Sponge Bob: Screams PA-----TR----ICK!!! WHAT! IS!! HAPPENING!! Patrick:Crying I don’t know! I don’t know Sponge Bob! Make it stop! Just make it stop, P–LEA–SE!! Squidward: Yells from bedroom window Will you two shut up already! It’s just a game!! I’m trying to sleep over here. Sponge Bob: I will not have this.Not this at all! I am going straight to the forum to share my disgust with everyone! Patrick: Yeah! You tell 'em Sponge Bob! By the way, what’s a forum? Sponge Bob: Laughs Patrick!
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> So true Arising and could not agree more also being Halo veteran since CE. Since Halo 2’s announcement to me, the forums were always and continue to be a comical Sponge Bob skit!
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> Sponge Bob: Patrick!! Tonight is the night! The the most WO----NDER-FUL game ever created comes out!!. I haven’t slept in daaaays! Laughs
> Patrick: Ohh boy Sponge Bob, I can’t wait!! uh hahaha
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> <12 hours and one minute later>
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> Sponge Bob: Screams PA-----TR----ICK!!! WHAT! IS!! HAPPENING!!
> Patrick:Crying I don’t know! I don’t know Sponge Bob! Make it stop! Just make it stop, P–LEA–SE!!
> Squidward: Yells from bedroom window Will you two shut up already! It’s just a game!! I’m trying to sleep over here.
> Sponge Bob: I will not have this.Not this at all! I am going straight to the forum to share my disgust with everyone!
> Patrick: Yeah! You tell 'em Sponge Bob! By the way, what’s a forum?
> Sponge Bob: Laughs Patrick!
I’m new here. March of 2015. Love the games and books, but sometimes not the community. Interesting read, and it makes me wonder how people will think of 5 in three years after all of the updates and such.
