> > > > > > > > > > > If 343i is actually dumb enough to change Reach completely I will have lost all faith in them. Who do you think would be more pissed off? The people who where dumb enough to buy something they don’t like, or the the people who bought a game they liked completely and had it changed? I bet people who like any of the previous Halo games would be pissed off if that happened to their games, and I would too! Adding stuff is fine, but Reach stays as I and many others bought it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We are all a part of the community, and the community owns Halo.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > If the vocal majority hates the game, then obviously something is wrong with it. It;s dumb for people to buy a game they know they hate, but obviously we’ve bought it long before we had a solid opinion on it. Furthermore, it’s even dumber for 343 to ignore the large amount of vocal complaints. Someone might be fine with it, but the vocal majority isn’t. And when the vocal majority seems to despise a game, that’s a hint for developers to get their Yoink! fixed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yeah that’s fine for people to complain. However, 343i has listened and given you a peace offering. Take it and leave the rest of Reach alone.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > so instead of having a fixed game we should have a broken game?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > uh… no.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Reach is not broken!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > got any evidence or reasoning behind such a bold statement?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > things that do not work as intended are broken
> > > > > > bloom doesn’t work as intended - broken
> > > > > > forge snapping doesn’t work as intended - broken
> > > > > > gaus hog shooting through walls - broken
> > > > > >
> > > > > > other things are pretty un-balanced:
> > > > > > armour lock
> > > > > > jetpack(more maps then anything though)
> > > > > > banshee bomb
> > > > > > tank
> > > > > > grenades(this is more with movement charecteristics)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > are you sure default reach isn’t broken?
> > > > >
> > > > > bloom worked - not broken
> > > > > forge snapping works - not broken
> > > > > gaus hog shooting through walls - proof needed
> > > > >
> > > > > other things that people don’t know how to counter:
> > > > > armor lock
> > > > > jetpack
> > > > > banshee bomb
> > > > > tank
> > > > > grenades
> > > > >
> > > > > I stand by my claim, Reach is not broken
> > > >
> > > > - bloom doesn’t work, 343i themselves have admitted this.
> > > > - with forge snapping, when grabbing objects or going in to edit cooridnates the object rotates, this sometimes will kill you aswell and this wasn’t intended.
> > > > - the gauss hog does shoot through walls, [/url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20kHjRenZjM]video, why do you think it isn’t in matchmaking?
> > > >
> > > > - armour lock was too usefull compared to other armour abilities, it’s not that people can’t counter it, it’s that un-balanced compared to other armour abilties.
> > > > - jetpack, the main problem is that people don’t want to look up but because of poor map design it gives to user to much of an advantage.
> > > > - banshee bomb, try avoiding that thing, the splash damage is bigger and stronger then a rocket launcher.
> > > > - grenades blast radious is to big and are to hard to avoid, if the movement acceleration was faster then there wouldn’t be an issue with grenades.
> > > > - tank, fire rate is to fast and you can snipe people cross map with it…
> > >
> > > 1. well then what was it suposed to do, and where did it fail???
> >
> > bloom was ment to punnish spammers and reward pacers, currently it is the other way around.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2.I guess if your that careless i could happen
> >
> > it isn’t carelessness, it’s the object rotating that pushes through walls or in to the water which is out of your controll, i’ve been close to an object to get a better view of its position, grabbed it and go thrown through the wall and dead.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 3.i’ll have to test that, but every game has gliches does that mean very game is broken???
> >
> > there is actually a gametype and map built around this glitch, it’s called battle ships, it’s good for a bit of fun.
> > glitches doesn’t mean the game is broken unless the glitches gameplay.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 4.-8.so basicly people don’t know how to counter it.
> >
> > you didn’t read what i wrote did you?
> > i never said it’s an issue to do with being able to counter, it’s an issue with being over powered and or un-balanced, just because it’s counter able doesn’t mean it isn’t overpowered or unbalanced.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 1.it’s a persision weapon
> >
> > ok but bloom makes it none precision weapon and turns it in to a randomness weapon.
> >
> >
> > > 2.what wepon did you “cross map” with
> >
> > dmr and needle rifle firing at max rate of fire while the reticule wasn’t red, i was hiding behind a rock waiting for him to run out of aim at first but the spread was extremely small for that distance, when he reloaded i started on him but he spammed back at me and 1-3 shots was hitting me knocking me out of scope every time and he won while spamming cross map vs pace.
> > i’ve had simulair instances where i’ve come out on top by scoping in and quickly firing to get the advantage and win.
>
> 1. I think bloom worked fine, maybe i’m the only one but I had no problems with it.
> 2.point taken, but it’s not like it happens every time, it just a small glitch.
> 3.and what needs to take place for this glitch to happen???
> 4.-8.yes I read what you rote, and if counter-ability isn’t the problem what is??
> 1.-2. you just argued that precision weapons are both to precise and to inaccurate.
> > > > > > > > > > > > If 343i is actually dumb enough to change Reach completely I will have lost all faith in them. Who do you think would be more pissed off? The people who where dumb enough to buy something they don’t like, or the the people who bought a game they liked completely and had it changed? I bet people who like any of the previous Halo games would be pissed off if that happened to their games, and I would too! Adding stuff is fine, but Reach stays as I and many others bought it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We are all a part of the community, and the community owns Halo.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > If the vocal majority hates the game, then obviously something is wrong with it. It;s dumb for people to buy a game they know they hate, but obviously we’ve bought it long before we had a solid opinion on it. Furthermore, it’s even dumber for 343 to ignore the large amount of vocal complaints. Someone might be fine with it, but the vocal majority isn’t. And when the vocal majority seems to despise a game, that’s a hint for developers to get their Yoink! fixed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yeah that’s fine for people to complain. However, 343i has listened and given you a peace offering. Take it and leave the rest of Reach alone.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > so instead of having a fixed game we should have a broken game?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > uh… no.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Reach is not broken!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > got any evidence or reasoning behind such a bold statement?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > things that do not work as intended are broken
> > > > > > > bloom doesn’t work as intended - broken
> > > > > > > forge snapping doesn’t work as intended - broken
> > > > > > > gaus hog shooting through walls - broken
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > other things are pretty un-balanced:
> > > > > > > armour lock
> > > > > > > jetpack(more maps then anything though)
> > > > > > > banshee bomb
> > > > > > > tank
> > > > > > > grenades(this is more with movement charecteristics)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > are you sure default reach isn’t broken?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bloom worked - not broken
> > > > > > forge snapping works - not broken
> > > > > > gaus hog shooting through walls - proof needed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > other things that people don’t know how to counter:
> > > > > > armor lock
> > > > > > jetpack
> > > > > > banshee bomb
> > > > > > tank
> > > > > > grenades
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I stand by my claim, Reach is not broken
> > > > >
> > > > > - bloom doesn’t work, 343i themselves have admitted this.
> > > > > - with forge snapping, when grabbing objects or going in to edit cooridnates the object rotates, this sometimes will kill you aswell and this wasn’t intended.
> > > > > - the gauss hog does shoot through walls, [/url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20kHjRenZjM]video, why do you think it isn’t in matchmaking?
> > > > >
> > > > > - armour lock was too usefull compared to other armour abilities, it’s not that people can’t counter it, it’s that un-balanced compared to other armour abilties.
> > > > > - jetpack, the main problem is that people don’t want to look up but because of poor map design it gives to user to much of an advantage.
> > > > > - banshee bomb, try avoiding that thing, the splash damage is bigger and stronger then a rocket launcher.
> > > > > - grenades blast radious is to big and are to hard to avoid, if the movement acceleration was faster then there wouldn’t be an issue with grenades.
> > > > > - tank, fire rate is to fast and you can snipe people cross map with it…
> > > >
> > > > 1. well then what was it suposed to do, and where did it fail???
> >
> > bloom was ment to punnish spammers and reward pacers, currently it is the other way around.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2.I guess if your that careless i could happen
> >
> > it isn’t carelessness, it’s the object rotating that pushes through walls or in to the water which is out of your controll, i’ve been close to an object to get a better view of its position, grabbed it and go thrown through the wall and dead.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 3.i’ll have to test that, but every game has gliches does that mean very game is broken???
> >
> > there is actually a gametype and map built around this glitch, it’s called battle ships, it’s good for a bit of fun.
> > glitches doesn’t mean the game is broken unless the glitches gameplay.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 4.-8.so basicly people don’t know how to counter it.
> >
> > you didn’t read what i wrote did you?
> > i never said it’s an issue to do with being able to counter, it’s an issue with being over powered and or un-balanced, just because it’s counter able doesn’t mean it isn’t overpowered or unbalanced.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 1.it’s a persision weapon
> >
> > ok but bloom makes it none precision weapon and turns it in to a randomness weapon.
> >
> >
> > > 2.what wepon did you “cross map” with
> >
> > dmr and needle rifle firing at max rate of fire while the reticule wasn’t red, i was hiding behind a rock waiting for him to run out of aim at first but the spread was extremely small for that distance, when he reloaded i started on him but he spammed back at me and 1-3 shots was hitting me knocking me out of scope every time and he won while spamming cross map vs pace.
> > i’ve had simulair instances where i’ve come out on top by scoping in and quickly firing to get the advantage and win.
>
> 1. I think bloom worked fine, maybe i’m the only one but I had no problems with it.
it’s not fine though, it adds randomness and can be the deciding factor of the outcome of a game over teamwork and players skill. it also doesn’t work as intended which means it is broken.
> 2.point taken, but it’s not like it happens every time, it just a small glitch.
small but annoying, i forge alot and it gets on my nerves now and then.
> 3.and what needs to take place for this glitch to happen???
you just need to shoot and thats it, the only objects the gauss hog can’t shoot through is rocks, cover glass, window doubles and shield doors, everything else it can shoot through and are also the main objects used on maps.
> 4.-8.yes I read what you rote, and if counter-ability isn’t the problem what is??
balance is the issue, the banshee bomb is to powerfull, there is no need to even use the guns because the bomb can and does do all of the work because of how big and powerfull the splash damage is, it’s more then the tank…
armour lock is to usefull compared to other amour abilites, it helps you destroy vehicles, escape fights, render power weapons useless while other armour abilities have view advantages and the main advantages from them is actually down to players use.
> 1.-2. you just argued that precision weapons are both to precise and to inaccurate.
funny isn’t it?
the bullets don’t go where you are shooting but instead at a more random location but the spread on the location isn’t that big because of other game mechanics that have an effect on it, if it was precise the bullets will go where i am shooting ALWAYS but this isn’t the case with bloom.
bloom on automatic weapons in fine and perfectly acceptable though.
> > > > > > > In reach you must out think your opponent not just out shoot him
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i have a question for you. say two players were to go head to head in a battle. DMR’s only, no grenades, no other weapons. flat terrain in a large box with no cover. the fight takes place at midrange (lets say 20 feet ingame) and as soon as it starts player A starts spamming his DMR like a mad man. how does player B his guarantee a win this fight?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think thats the big problem you have,using abysmal algorithem and suboptimal mechanic echo in your argument does not explain why you have invested so much time in a game you DONT LIKE,leaving it to us,the irrelevant ignorant players
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i would think that he spends time playing this game to better understand the mechanics so that he can know what hes talking about when he is making ideas on how to make the game better.
> > > > > > makes alot more sense then just making blind statements about weather things work properly don’t you think?
> > > > >
> > > > > Reach is not a failure,it competes with an ever increasing population of great successful games.Whatever knowledge you have in game mechanics has apparently obscured the basics of supply and demand as well as your ability to objectively determine if a game is successful
> > > >
> > > > 1 As in life,in battle there are no guarantees,you could set up a scenerio where you put two players in a room,one with a gun,one without and eventually the one without a gun would kill the other at some point.The better man does not always win,even in video games.
> > >
> > > the person in the room with a gun will win if the person without the gun has no skill, if the person without the gun new how to fight(skill) he could either kill him with his bare hands or use his skill to steal his gun and shoot him instead.
> > > see, most skill full person would come out on top even though your scenario presented was awfull and unbalanced.
> > >
> > > why do people continue to try and make a science fiction first person shooter in to a realistic modern day shooter? it doesn’t make any sense, people keep banging on about this not be realistic, that being realistic and so on but geuss what, this is a sci-fi not a modern shooter!
> > >
> > > what does real life have to do with game anyway? people play games to escape from reality and to have fun, if i wanted any realistic elements i would go join the army…
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2 Yeah right,the guy plays 2000 games of the most hated halo(his opinion)for research so he can have a better understanding of the game when he comes on a forum to discuss it and make suggestions.I suppose all that knowledge is what made him come to the determination that the majority of reach players are irrelevant,and should not be considered when designing a video game.That make sense.(no it doesnt)
> > >
> > > ever considor he does actually enjoy the game but thinks and knows there is something wrong that should be adressed so he voicing his thoughts to help fix or make the game better?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 3 Oh the humanity,oh what an abject failure,what an insult to the halo brand puts back of hand to forehead how will the halo player ever be able to face the world knowing that it is in 5th place in the world?Thats it you conviced me,it was the hype,all this time I thought I was having fun playing a sweet video game(thanks bungie,seriously)but really I had the out of balanced,overpowered wool pulled over my eyes.Im going to go play CoD…No Im not,its slayer time 
> > >
> > > nice sarcasm.
> >
> > 1st point,you are not considering real world factors that affect gameplay,distarction,fatigue,brain farts,etc.You imagine it as an unwavering perfectly consistant scenerio where the “better player” will never faulter and the player that is not good will never have a moment of brilliant gameplay,who is setting up an awfuul and unbalenced scenerio?
>
> i was using the scenario you presented in real world applications.
> if a person is tired or distracted then at the time he currently is not the better player.
> player generated luck cannot be avoided either, people will get that burst of brilliance but they won’t be-able to maintain.
> player generated luck = good, game controlled luck = bad.
>
>
>
> > 2nd point,I would consider that,but read the post I was responding to,and tell me you hear one once of enjoyment,frankly it sounds like he is talking about an exwife.
>
> it sounded how i described it to me, i guess it depends on peoples point of view
> 3rd thank you,sarcasim is my speciality.(<sincerity)(<sarcasim)(<JK sincerity LOL)
you don’t post on b.net anymoresad face
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Bnet and I are in its twilight,its sad but my time is limited for my forum debate.Frankly Bnet has been reduced to a haven for bitter angry posters who appear to prefer insults instead of debate.I have enjoyed our discussions and feel that I gain perspective from each one even if I dont agree,unfortunatly that is not the sort of debate thats happening over there.Since 343 has put considerable effort in providing the halo fan with a forum to discuss and bring forth ideas without being subjected to vile insults I must say it has been a better experience.Once the upgraded stats are itroduced here,there will be no reason for me to go there,unless its to change my nameplate but I suspect eventually even that will be controlled from here.So for me the sun will set on Bnet,but you will know where to find me,so put on a :).
> > I know there are <mark>a lot</mark> of longtime Halo fans that hate vanilla Reach.
>
>
>
> > because of a vocal <mark>minority</mark>.
>
> Lolwut?
Your powers of <mark>highlight</mark> are impressive,alot of people can be a minority,case in point=100000 play a game,1/10th of those people do not like it.10000 people is alot but is a minority thats <mark>lolwut</mark>.
> > > > > > > > In reach you must out think your opponent not just out shoot him
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i have a question for you. say two players were to go head to head in a battle. DMR’s only, no grenades, no other weapons. flat terrain in a large box with no cover. the fight takes place at midrange (lets say 20 feet ingame) and as soon as it starts player A starts spamming his DMR like a mad man. how does player B his guarantee a win this fight?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think thats the big problem you have,using abysmal algorithem and suboptimal mechanic echo in your argument does not explain why you have invested so much time in a game you DONT LIKE,leaving it to us,the irrelevant ignorant players
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > i would think that he spends time playing this game to better understand the mechanics so that he can know what hes talking about when he is making ideas on how to make the game better.
> > > > > > > makes alot more sense then just making blind statements about weather things work properly don’t you think?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Reach is not a failure,it competes with an ever increasing population of great successful games.Whatever knowledge you have in game mechanics has apparently obscured the basics of supply and demand as well as your ability to objectively determine if a game is successful
> > > > >
> > > > > 1 As in life,in battle there are no guarantees,you could set up a scenerio where you put two players in a room,one with a gun,one without and eventually the one without a gun would kill the other at some point.The better man does not always win,even in video games.
> > > >
> > > > the person in the room with a gun will win if the person without the gun has no skill, if the person without the gun new how to fight(skill) he could either kill him with his bare hands or use his skill to steal his gun and shoot him instead.
> > > > see, most skill full person would come out on top even though your scenario presented was awfull and unbalanced.
> > > >
> > > > why do people continue to try and make a science fiction first person shooter in to a realistic modern day shooter? it doesn’t make any sense, people keep banging on about this not be realistic, that being realistic and so on but geuss what, this is a sci-fi not a modern shooter!
> > > >
> > > > what does real life have to do with game anyway? people play games to escape from reality and to have fun, if i wanted any realistic elements i would go join the army…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 2 Yeah right,the guy plays 2000 games of the most hated halo(his opinion)for research so he can have a better understanding of the game when he comes on a forum to discuss it and make suggestions.I suppose all that knowledge is what made him come to the determination that the majority of reach players are irrelevant,and should not be considered when designing a video game.That make sense.(no it doesnt)
> > > >
> > > > ever considor he does actually enjoy the game but thinks and knows there is something wrong that should be adressed so he voicing his thoughts to help fix or make the game better?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 3 Oh the humanity,oh what an abject failure,what an insult to the halo brand puts back of hand to forehead how will the halo player ever be able to face the world knowing that it is in 5th place in the world?Thats it you conviced me,it was the hype,all this time I thought I was having fun playing a sweet video game(thanks bungie,seriously)but really I had the out of balanced,overpowered wool pulled over my eyes.Im going to go play CoD…No Im not,its slayer time
> > > >
> > > > nice sarcasm.
> > >
> > > 1st point,you are not considering real world factors that affect gameplay,distarction,fatigue,brain farts,etc.You imagine it as an unwavering perfectly consistant scenerio where the “better player” will never faulter and the player that is not good will never have a moment of brilliant gameplay,who is setting up an awfuul and unbalenced scenerio?
> >
> > i was using the scenario you presented in real world applications.
> > if a person is tired or distracted then at the time he currently is not the better player.
> > player generated luck cannot be avoided either, people will get that burst of brilliance but they won’t be-able to maintain.
> > player generated luck = good, game controlled luck = bad.
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2nd point,I would consider that,but read the post I was responding to,and tell me you hear one once of enjoyment,frankly it sounds like he is talking about an exwife.
> >
> > it sounded how i described it to me, i guess it depends on peoples point of view
>
>
>
> > 3rd thank you,sarcasim is my speciality.(<sincerity)(<sarcasim)(<JK sincerity LOL)
>
> you don’t post on b.net anymoresad face
> Bnet and I are in its twilight,its sad but my time is limited for my forum debate.Frankly Bnet has been reduced to a haven for bitter angry posters who appear to prefer insults instead of debate.I have enjoyed our discussions and feel that I gain perspective from each one even if I dont agree,unfortunatly that is not the sort of debate thats happening over there.Since 343 has put considerable effort in providing the halo fan with a forum to discuss and bring forth ideas without being subjected to vile insults I must say it has been a better experience.Once the upgraded stats are itroduced here,there will be no reason for me to go there,unless its to change my nameplate but I suspect eventually even that will be controlled from here.So for me the sun will set on Bnet,but you will know where to find me,so put on a :).
so you don’t listen to me when i post on b.net but when i post here you actually listen?
i’m confused…
> > > > > > > > > In reach you must out think your opponent not just out shoot him
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i have a question for you. say two players were to go head to head in a battle. DMR’s only, no grenades, no other weapons. flat terrain in a large box with no cover. the fight takes place at midrange (lets say 20 feet ingame) and as soon as it starts player A starts spamming his DMR like a mad man. how does player B his guarantee a win this fight?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think thats the big problem you have,using abysmal algorithem and suboptimal mechanic echo in your argument does not explain why you have invested so much time in a game you DONT LIKE,leaving it to us,the irrelevant ignorant players
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i would think that he spends time playing this game to better understand the mechanics so that he can know what hes talking about when he is making ideas on how to make the game better.
> > > > > > > > makes alot more sense then just making blind statements about weather things work properly don’t you think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Reach is not a failure,it competes with an ever increasing population of great successful games.Whatever knowledge you have in game mechanics has apparently obscured the basics of supply and demand as well as your ability to objectively determine if a game is successful
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1 As in life,in battle there are no guarantees,you could set up a scenerio where you put two players in a room,one with a gun,one without and eventually the one without a gun would kill the other at some point.The better man does not always win,even in video games.
> > > > >
> > > > > the person in the room with a gun will win if the person without the gun has no skill, if the person without the gun new how to fight(skill) he could either kill him with his bare hands or use his skill to steal his gun and shoot him instead.
> > > > > see, most skill full person would come out on top even though your scenario presented was awfull and unbalanced.
> > > > >
> > > > > why do people continue to try and make a science fiction first person shooter in to a realistic modern day shooter? it doesn’t make any sense, people keep banging on about this not be realistic, that being realistic and so on but geuss what, this is a sci-fi not a modern shooter!
> > > > >
> > > > > what does real life have to do with game anyway? people play games to escape from reality and to have fun, if i wanted any realistic elements i would go join the army…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2 Yeah right,the guy plays 2000 games of the most hated halo(his opinion)for research so he can have a better understanding of the game when he comes on a forum to discuss it and make suggestions.I suppose all that knowledge is what made him come to the determination that the majority of reach players are irrelevant,and should not be considered when designing a video game.That make sense.(no it doesnt)
> > > > >
> > > > > ever considor he does actually enjoy the game but thinks and knows there is something wrong that should be adressed so he voicing his thoughts to help fix or make the game better?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 3 Oh the humanity,oh what an abject failure,what an insult to the halo brand puts back of hand to forehead how will the halo player ever be able to face the world knowing that it is in 5th place in the world?Thats it you conviced me,it was the hype,all this time I thought I was having fun playing a sweet video game(thanks bungie,seriously)but really I had the out of balanced,overpowered wool pulled over my eyes.Im going to go play CoD…No Im not,its slayer time
> > > > >
> > > > > nice sarcasm.
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> > > > 1st point,you are not considering real world factors that affect gameplay,distarction,fatigue,brain farts,etc.You imagine it as an unwavering perfectly consistant scenerio where the “better player” will never faulter and the player that is not good will never have a moment of brilliant gameplay,who is setting up an awfuul and unbalenced scenerio?
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> > > i was using the scenario you presented in real world applications.
> > > if a person is tired or distracted then at the time he currently is not the better player.
> > > player generated luck cannot be avoided either, people will get that burst of brilliance but they won’t be-able to maintain.
> > > player generated luck = good, game controlled luck = bad.
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> > > > 2nd point,I would consider that,but read the post I was responding to,and tell me you hear one once of enjoyment,frankly it sounds like he is talking about an exwife.
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> > > it sounded how i described it to me, i guess it depends on peoples point of view
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> > > 3rd thank you,sarcasim is my speciality.(<sincerity)(<sarcasim)(<JK sincerity LOL)
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> > you don’t post on b.net anymoresad face
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> > Bnet and I are in its twilight,its sad but my time is limited for my forum debate.Frankly Bnet has been reduced to a haven for bitter angry posters who appear to prefer insults instead of debate.I have enjoyed our discussions and feel that I gain perspective from each one even if I dont agree,unfortunatly that is not the sort of debate thats happening over there.Since 343 has put considerable effort in providing the halo fan with a forum to discuss and bring forth ideas without being subjected to vile insults I must say it has been a better experience.Once the upgraded stats are itroduced here,there will be no reason for me to go there,unless its to change my nameplate but I suspect eventually even that will be controlled from here.So for me the sun will set on Bnet,but you will know where to find me,so put on a :).
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> so you don’t listen to me when i post on b.net but when i post here you actually listen?
> i’m confused…
No,not what I meant,you and I have had conversations on Bnet that were fruitful,but you are an abberration there,most are not as respectful as you are,whatever forum you post on.
> > > > > > > > > > In reach you must out think your opponent not just out shoot him
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> > > > > > > > > i have a question for you. say two players were to go head to head in a battle. DMR’s only, no grenades, no other weapons. flat terrain in a large box with no cover. the fight takes place at midrange (lets say 20 feet ingame) and as soon as it starts player A starts spamming his DMR like a mad man. how does player B his guarantee a win this fight?
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> > > > > > > > > > I think thats the big problem you have,using abysmal algorithem and suboptimal mechanic echo in your argument does not explain why you have invested so much time in a game you DONT LIKE,leaving it to us,the irrelevant ignorant players
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> > > > > > > > > i would think that he spends time playing this game to better understand the mechanics so that he can know what hes talking about when he is making ideas on how to make the game better.
> > > > > > > > > makes alot more sense then just making blind statements about weather things work properly don’t you think?
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> > > > > > > > Reach is not a failure,it competes with an ever increasing population of great successful games.Whatever knowledge you have in game mechanics has apparently obscured the basics of supply and demand as well as your ability to objectively determine if a game is successful
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> > > > > > > 1 As in life,in battle there are no guarantees,you could set up a scenerio where you put two players in a room,one with a gun,one without and eventually the one without a gun would kill the other at some point.The better man does not always win,even in video games.
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> > > > > > the person in the room with a gun will win if the person without the gun has no skill, if the person without the gun new how to fight(skill) he could either kill him with his bare hands or use his skill to steal his gun and shoot him instead.
> > > > > > see, most skill full person would come out on top even though your scenario presented was awfull and unbalanced.
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> > > > > > why do people continue to try and make a science fiction first person shooter in to a realistic modern day shooter? it doesn’t make any sense, people keep banging on about this not be realistic, that being realistic and so on but geuss what, this is a sci-fi not a modern shooter!
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> > > > > > what does real life have to do with game anyway? people play games to escape from reality and to have fun, if i wanted any realistic elements i would go join the army…
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> > > > > > > 2 Yeah right,the guy plays 2000 games of the most hated halo(his opinion)for research so he can have a better understanding of the game when he comes on a forum to discuss it and make suggestions.I suppose all that knowledge is what made him come to the determination that the majority of reach players are irrelevant,and should not be considered when designing a video game.That make sense.(no it doesnt)
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> > > > > > ever considor he does actually enjoy the game but thinks and knows there is something wrong that should be adressed so he voicing his thoughts to help fix or make the game better?
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> > > > > > > 3 Oh the humanity,oh what an abject failure,what an insult to the halo brand puts back of hand to forehead how will the halo player ever be able to face the world knowing that it is in 5th place in the world?Thats it you conviced me,it was the hype,all this time I thought I was having fun playing a sweet video game(thanks bungie,seriously)but really I had the out of balanced,overpowered wool pulled over my eyes.Im going to go play CoD…No Im not,its slayer time
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> > > > > > nice sarcasm.
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> > > > > 1st point,you are not considering real world factors that affect gameplay,distarction,fatigue,brain farts,etc.You imagine it as an unwavering perfectly consistant scenerio where the “better player” will never faulter and the player that is not good will never have a moment of brilliant gameplay,who is setting up an awfuul and unbalenced scenerio?
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> > > > i was using the scenario you presented in real world applications.
> > > > if a person is tired or distracted then at the time he currently is not the better player.
> > > > player generated luck cannot be avoided either, people will get that burst of brilliance but they won’t be-able to maintain.
> > > > player generated luck = good, game controlled luck = bad.
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> > > > > 2nd point,I would consider that,but read the post I was responding to,and tell me you hear one once of enjoyment,frankly it sounds like he is talking about an exwife.
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> > > > it sounded how i described it to me, i guess it depends on peoples point of view
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> > > > 3rd thank you,sarcasim is my speciality.(<sincerity)(<sarcasim)(<JK sincerity LOL)
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> > > you don’t post on b.net anymoresad face
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> > > Bnet and I are in its twilight,its sad but my time is limited for my forum debate.Frankly Bnet has been reduced to a haven for bitter angry posters who appear to prefer insults instead of debate.I have enjoyed our discussions and feel that I gain perspective from each one even if I dont agree,unfortunatly that is not the sort of debate thats happening over there.Since 343 has put considerable effort in providing the halo fan with a forum to discuss and bring forth ideas without being subjected to vile insults I must say it has been a better experience.Once the upgraded stats are itroduced here,there will be no reason for me to go there,unless its to change my nameplate but I suspect eventually even that will be controlled from here.So for me the sun will set on Bnet,but you will know where to find me,so put on a :).
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> > so you don’t listen to me when i post on b.net but when i post here you actually listen?
> > i’m confused…
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> No,not what I meant,you and I have had conversations on Bnet that were fruitful,but you are an abberration there,most are not as respectful as you are,whatever forum you post on.
oh ok, i just say what i know and understand while not taking sides, i do look to troll there though and have made some memorable troll topics 
> > If 343i is actually dumb enough to change Reach completely I will have lost all faith in them. Who do you think would be more pissed off? The people who where dumb enough to buy something they don’t like, or the the people who bought a game they liked completely and had it changed? I bet people who like any of the previous Halo games would be pissed off if that happened to their games, and I would too! Adding stuff is fine, but Reach stays as I and many others bought it.
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> buy something we didn’t like?
> how do we know we don’t like it if we didn’t buy it and try it out? …
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> the people who are currently pissed or annoyed with reach are long term halo fans who are not happy with the changes that where made to halo so people are pissed of that it happened to their game and want it fixed.
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> the people who are against the changes are the people who don’t understand what is good and bad for the game, these changes are getting alot of good back instead of bad so it appears that the majority of people who are left actually prefer the changes over default reach, so logically speaking, going along with these changes is the correct thing to do.
There’s a demo for that.
> > > If 343i is actually dumb enough to change Reach completely I will have lost all faith in them. Who do you think would be more pissed off? The people who where dumb enough to buy something they don’t like, or the the people who bought a game they liked completely and had it changed? I bet people who like any of the previous Halo games would be pissed off if that happened to their games, and I would too! Adding stuff is fine, but Reach stays as I and many others bought it.
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> > buy something we didn’t like?
> > how do we know we don’t like it if we didn’t buy it and try it out? …
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> > the people who are currently pissed or annoyed with reach are long term halo fans who are not happy with the changes that where made to halo so people are pissed of that it happened to their game and want it fixed.
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> > the people who are against the changes are the people who don’t understand what is good and bad for the game, these changes are getting alot of good back instead of bad so it appears that the majority of people who are left actually prefer the changes over default reach, so logically speaking, going along with these changes is the correct thing to do.
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> There’s a demo for that.
i totally forgot there was a demo…
i don’t think most people know about the demo and instead go and buy the game.
> > > If 343i is actually dumb enough to change Reach completely I will have lost all faith in them. Who do you think would be more pissed off? The people who where dumb enough to buy something they don’t like, or the the people who bought a game they liked completely and had it changed? I bet people who like any of the previous Halo games would be pissed off if that happened to their games, and I would too! Adding stuff is fine, but Reach stays as I and many others bought it.
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> > buy something we didn’t like?
> > how do we know we don’t like it if we didn’t buy it and try it out? …
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> > the people who are currently pissed or annoyed with reach are long term halo fans who are not happy with the changes that where made to halo so people are pissed of that it happened to their game and want it fixed.
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> > the people who are against the changes are the people who don’t understand what is good and bad for the game, these changes are getting alot of good back instead of bad so it appears that the majority of people who are left actually prefer the changes over default reach, so logically speaking, going along with these changes is the correct thing to do.
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> There’s a demo for that.
Hah, thank you I forgot to mention that.
people that say reach is broken started playing halo on halo reach and have heard “stories of old” from elderly spartans long past their prime with nostalgic love for past halos.
Dont get me wrong, I love old halos.
I own a DISC of “halo” for the pc (valued at around 700$ on ebay) and I have a disc for xbox, and I have a digital version for mac. (I frequently play the digital version for mac because the gamespy servers on mac give me better lobbies.
I remember playing halo 2 at my friend alex’s house, all throughout middle school.
And I put in more than my fareshare of time on halo 3.
Anyone that says reach is “broken” is not a true vet of the series. Reach has SERIOUS issues, like bloom and evade. But these issues are NOTHING compared to the laggy bad lobbies on hce for windows, they are NOTHING compared to dual wielding and the smgs starts in halo 2, they are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to halo 3’s BR spread and now mexican hosts.
Reach has some seriously flawed mechanics, but I just gotta wonder what people are thinking when they say it is broken, and that theyve played halo 1, 2, and 3.
> > 1. I think bloom worked fine, maybe i’m the only one but I had no problems with it.
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> it’s not fine though, it adds randomness and can be the deciding factor of the outcome of a game over teamwork and players skill. it also doesn’t work as intended which means it is broken.
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> > 2.point taken, but it’s not like it happens every time, it just a small glitch.
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> small but annoying, i forge alot and it gets on my nerves now and then.
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> > 3.and what needs to take place for this glitch to happen???
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> you just need to shoot and thats it, the only objects the gauss hog can’t shoot through is rocks, cover glass, window doubles and shield doors, everything else it can shoot through and are also the main objects used on maps.
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> > 4.-8.yes I read what you rote, and if counter-ability isn’t the problem what is??
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> balance is the issue, the banshee bomb is to powerfull, there is no need to even use the guns because the bomb can and does do all of the work because of how big and powerfull the splash damage is, it’s more then the tank…
> armour lock is to usefull compared to other amour abilites, it helps you destroy vehicles, escape fights, render power weapons useless while other armour abilities have view advantages and the main advantages from them is actually down to players use.
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> > 1.-2. you just argued that precision weapons are both to precise and to inaccurate.
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> funny isn’t it?
> the bullets don’t go where you are shooting but instead at a more random location but the spread on the location isn’t that big because of other game mechanics that have an effect on it, if it was precise the bullets will go where i am shooting ALWAYS but this isn’t the case with bloom.
> bloom on automatic weapons in fine and perfectly acceptable though.
- I thought bloom was meant to add randomness.
- A few small glitches don’t make a game broken.
- Okay then, that is a problem.
4.-8. Counter-ability is balance. and armor lock is countered easily enough if done right, because they are stuck in one spot.
> people that say reach is broken started playing halo on halo reach and have heard “stories of old” from elderly spartans long past their prime with nostalgic love for past halos.
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> Dont get me wrong, I love old halos.
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> I own a DISC of “halo” for the pc (valued at around 700$ on ebay) and I have a disc for xbox, and I have a digital version for mac. (I frequently play the digital version for mac because the gamespy servers on mac give me better lobbies.
> I remember playing halo 2 at my friend alex’s house, all throughout middle school.
> And I put in more than my fareshare of time on halo 3.
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> Anyone that says reach is “broken” is not a true vet of the series. Reach has SERIOUS issues, like bloom and evade. But these issues are NOTHING compared to the laggy bad lobbies on hce for windows, they are NOTHING compared to dual wielding and the smgs starts in halo 2, they are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to halo 3’s BR spread and now mexican hosts.
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> Reach has some seriously flawed mechanics, but I just gotta wonder what people are thinking when they say it is broken, and that theyve played halo 1, 2, and 3.
If someone does not share your opinion of reach, They are not a true halo Vet. (Lolwutttttt) Refer to link below vvvv
> > people that say reach is broken started playing halo on halo reach and have heard “stories of old” from elderly spartans long past their prime with nostalgic love for past halos.
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> > Dont get me wrong, I love old halos.
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> > I own a DISC of “halo” for the pc (valued at around 700$ on ebay) and I have a disc for xbox, and I have a digital version for mac. (I frequently play the digital version for mac because the gamespy servers on mac give me better lobbies.
> > I remember playing halo 2 at my friend alex’s house, all throughout middle school.
> > And I put in more than my fareshare of time on halo 3.
> >
> > Anyone that says reach is “broken” is not a true vet of the series. Reach has SERIOUS issues, like bloom and evade. But these issues are NOTHING compared to the laggy bad lobbies on hce for windows, they are NOTHING compared to dual wielding and the smgs starts in halo 2, they are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to halo 3’s BR spread and now mexican hosts.
> >
> > Reach has some seriously flawed mechanics, but I just gotta wonder what people are thinking when they say it is broken, and that theyve played halo 1, 2, and 3.
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> If someone does not share your opinion of reach, They are not a true halo Vet. (Lolwutttttt) Refer to link below vvvv
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
Obviously most people (not me) think this seeing how people say Reach is “not Halo” and anyone that hasn’t played any previous Halo games doesn’t have a valid opinion on how Halo should be. And I could see why.
> > > people that say reach is broken started playing halo on halo reach and have heard “stories of old” from elderly spartans long past their prime with nostalgic love for past halos.
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> > > Dont get me wrong, I love old halos.
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> > > I own a DISC of “halo” for the pc (valued at around 700$ on ebay) and I have a disc for xbox, and I have a digital version for mac. (I frequently play the digital version for mac because the gamespy servers on mac give me better lobbies.
> > > I remember playing halo 2 at my friend alex’s house, all throughout middle school.
> > > And I put in more than my fareshare of time on halo 3.
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> > > Anyone that says reach is “broken” is not a true vet of the series. Reach has SERIOUS issues, like bloom and evade. But these issues are NOTHING compared to the laggy bad lobbies on hce for windows, they are NOTHING compared to dual wielding and the smgs starts in halo 2, they are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to halo 3’s BR spread and now mexican hosts.
> > >
> > > Reach has some seriously flawed mechanics, but I just gotta wonder what people are thinking when they say it is broken, and that theyve played halo 1, 2, and 3.
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> > If someone does not share your opinion of reach, They are not a true halo Vet. (Lolwutttttt) Refer to link below vvvv
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> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
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> Obviously most people (not me) think this seeing how people say Reach is “not Halo” and anyone that hasn’t played any previous Halo games doesn’t have a valid opinion on how Halo should be. And I could see why.
His statement makes him seem like a “true halo vet” simply because he likes reach and if no one likes it, They are not true halo fans. That is a garbage statement.
> > > > people that say reach is broken started playing halo on halo reach and have heard “stories of old” from elderly spartans long past their prime with nostalgic love for past halos.
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> > > > Dont get me wrong, I love old halos.
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> > > > I own a DISC of “halo” for the pc (valued at around 700$ on ebay) and I have a disc for xbox, and I have a digital version for mac. (I frequently play the digital version for mac because the gamespy servers on mac give me better lobbies.
> > > > I remember playing halo 2 at my friend alex’s house, all throughout middle school.
> > > > And I put in more than my fareshare of time on halo 3.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone that says reach is “broken” is not a true vet of the series. Reach has SERIOUS issues, like bloom and evade. But these issues are NOTHING compared to the laggy bad lobbies on hce for windows, they are NOTHING compared to dual wielding and the smgs starts in halo 2, they are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to halo 3’s BR spread and now mexican hosts.
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> > > > Reach has some seriously flawed mechanics, but I just gotta wonder what people are thinking when they say it is broken, and that theyve played halo 1, 2, and 3.
> > >
> > > If someone does not share your opinion of reach, They are not a true halo Vet. (Lolwutttttt) Refer to link below vvvv
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> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
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> > Obviously most people (not me) think this seeing how people say Reach is “not Halo” and anyone that hasn’t played any previous Halo games doesn’t have a valid opinion on how Halo should be. And I could see why.
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> His statement makes him seem like a “true halo vet” simply because he likes reach and if no one likes it, They are not true halo fans. That is a garbage statement.
I think he was just saying that vets know more about what Halo is, which I can somewhat agree with.
> people that say reach is broken started playing halo on halo reach and have heard “stories of old” from elderly spartans long past their prime with nostalgic love for past halos.
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> Dont get me wrong, I love old halos.
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> I own a DISC of “halo” for the pc (valued at around 700$ on ebay) and I have a disc for xbox, and I have a digital version for mac. (I frequently play the digital version for mac because the gamespy servers on mac give me better lobbies.
> I remember playing halo 2 at my friend alex’s house, all throughout middle school.
> And I put in more than my fareshare of time on halo 3.
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> Anyone that says reach is “broken” is not a true vet of the series. Reach has SERIOUS issues, like bloom and evade. But these issues are NOTHING compared to the laggy bad lobbies on hce for windows, they are NOTHING compared to dual wielding and the smgs starts in halo 2, they are ABSOLUTELY NOTHING compared to halo 3’s BR spread and now mexican hosts.
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> Reach has some seriously flawed mechanics, but I just gotta wonder what people are thinking when they say it is broken, and that theyve played halo 1, 2, and 3.
I would say anyone who says reach is NOT broken is not a true vet.
You barely played H2 at a “friends” house and suddenly you are a vet? LOL
I will take BR spread over bloom any damn day of the week. At least battles at mid-range were not random in H3. At least the better player won in H3 and H2.
SMG starts was not a broken game mechanic, it was just the same matchmaking crap we always put up with. WE STILL HAVE AR STARTS IN H3 AND REACH
You put a lot of file share up but you never mastered Halo 3.
> I would say anyone who says reach is NOT broken is not a true vet.
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> You barely played H2 at a “friends” house and suddenly you are a vet? LOL
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> I will take BR spread over bloom any damn day of the week. At least battles at mid-range were not random in H3. At least the better player won in H3 and H2.
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> SMG starts was not a broken game mechanic, it was just the same matchmaking crap we always put up with. WE STILL HAVE AR STARTS IN H3 AND REACH
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> You put a lot of file share up but you never mastered Halo 3.
this.
oh, and we also have armor lock, jet pack, mini nuke grenades, and no bleed melees in reach! so basically we’ve gone from a bit suboptimal in certain areas to blatantly terrible game mechanics across the board.
but yea, reach is much better, even with its abysmal mechanics because of the netcode and lack of bullet spread right? LOL
> a small percentage? I don’t know where you got your information but a large amount of players are complaining because alot of parts of reach are broken in MM. 85% made the DMR useful for a change and AL definitely needed to be fixed.
This.
> people that say reach is broken started playing halo on halo reach\
…WHAT?! Dude. Anybody with a brain can tell any one who likes Reach started playing with Halo 3, ODST, or Reach.
Anybody who started Halo 1/2 has hated how they destroyed their simple shooter to a button spam mess. There was no reason for equipment to be in 3 and no reason for AA’s to be in Halol:Reach. NO REASON! Halo being simple = more.