I know there are a lot of longtime Halo fans that hate vanilla Reach. I wasn’t a big fan at first either, but I’ve grown to enjoy it a lot, and I really don’t wanna see the core Reach game changed because of a vocal minority. I can understand adding 85% bloom, zero bloom, or bleed-through melee to the Classic playlists, but please leave the core game like it is. If 343i wants to go back to more classic Halo, wait until Halo 4. Reach is a nice change of pace and I don’t wanna see it ruined because a small percentage of the fanbase doesn’t like it.
a small percentage? I don’t know where you got your information but a large amount of players are complaining because alot of parts of reach are broken in MM. 85% made the DMR useful for a change and AL definitely needed to be fixed.
A couple hundred people across different forums =/= large percentage. Halo 4 is a year away, focus on that. Leave Reach like it is. It’s not like everyone complaining about Reach will ever bother to play it after Halo 4 comes out.
it’s a majority, if i was a minority then it would also be a minoriy inside that vocal minority.
i can’t even find a game where people think reach is actually fine, everyone is always -Yoinking!- about either bloom or armour lock ALL the time.
core halo isn’t changes, the things that are being changed are things that build on the core aspects of halo because currently they just don’t work and need to be changed.
also, halo 4 isn’t out for a year, so why should we play a bad game instead of playing an improved version for that year untill halo 4 is out?, a year is a pretty long time.
Saying it’s improved is only an opinion. Believe me, I want Halo 4 to go back to Halo 2 style gameplay as much as anyone, but changing Reach like they have without some more major changes makes it worse. I’m fine if they do stuff as long as it stays within the classic playlists. I don’t want the changes being universal.
If 343i is actually dumb enough to change Reach completely I will have lost all faith in them. Who do you think would be more pissed off? The people who where dumb enough to buy something they don’t like, or the the people who bought a game they liked completely and had it changed? I bet people who like any of the previous Halo games would be pissed off if that happened to their games, and I would too! Adding stuff is fine, but Reach stays as I and many others bought it.
> Saying it’s improved is only an opinion. Believe me, I want Halo 4 to go back to Halo 2 style gameplay as much as anyone, but changing Reach like they have without some more major changes makes it worse. I’m fine if they do stuff as long as it stays within the classic playlists. I don’t want the changes being universal.
fixing or removing broken mechanics and balance things that are un-balanced IS improving.
reach being fine as is, is also an opinion.
> If 343i is actually dumb enough to change Reach completely I will have lost all faith in them. Who do you think would be more pissed off? The people who where dumb enough to buy something they don’t like, or the the people who bought a game they liked completely and had it changed? I bet people who like any of the previous Halo games would be pissed off if that happened to their games, and I would too! Adding stuff is fine, but Reach stays as I and many others bought it.
buy something we didn’t like?
how do we know we don’t like it if we didn’t buy it and try it out? …
the people who are currently pissed or annoyed with reach are long term halo fans who are not happy with the changes that where made to halo so people are pissed of that it happened to their game and want it fixed.
the people who are against the changes are the people who don’t understand what is good and bad for the game, these changes are getting alot of good back instead of bad so it appears that the majority of people who are left actually prefer the changes over default reach, so logically speaking, going along with these changes is the correct thing to do.
> > Saying it’s improved is only an opinion. Believe me, I want Halo 4 to go back to Halo 2 style gameplay as much as anyone, but changing Reach like they have without some more major changes makes it worse. I’m fine if they do stuff as long as it stays within the classic playlists. I don’t want the changes being universal.
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> fixing or removing broken mechanics and balance things that are un-balanced IS improving.
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> reach being fine as is, is also an opinion.
What is “broken?” You may not like bloom or abilities, but they aren’t broken. Broken and unbalanced things are like OMA in MW2. Nothing in Reach is anywhere near broken. The internet is so full of hyperbole.
> > If 343i is actually dumb enough to change Reach completely I will have lost all faith in them. Who do you think would be more pissed off? The people who where dumb enough to buy something they don’t like, or the the people who bought a game they liked completely and had it changed? I bet people who like any of the previous Halo games would be pissed off if that happened to their games, and I would too! Adding stuff is fine, but Reach stays as I and many others bought it.
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> buy something we didn’t like?
> how do we know we don’t like it if we didn’t buy it and try it out? …
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> the people who are currently pissed or annoyed with reach are long term halo fans who are not happy with the changes that where made to halo so people are pissed of that it happened to their game and want it fixed.
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> the people who are against the changes are the people who don’t understand what is good and bad for the game, these changes are getting alot of good back instead of bad so it appears that the majority of people who are left actually prefer the changes over default reach, so logically speaking, going along with these changes is the correct thing to do.
Guess you didn’t play Reach beta. I’m so sorry to hear that. Still you can always sell your game to a store if you don’t like it. I’ll bet you’d be pretty pissed off if it were the other way around where the TU was getting swapped for the default. And furthermore, I like the TU(even though it clearly doesn’t work well with the Reach mechanics). It’s fun and challenging! That doesn’t mean I want it implemented in the rest of Reach.
> > > Saying it’s improved is only an opinion. Believe me, I want Halo 4 to go back to Halo 2 style gameplay as much as anyone, but changing Reach like they have without some more major changes makes it worse. I’m fine if they do stuff as long as it stays within the classic playlists. I don’t want the changes being universal.
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> > fixing or removing broken mechanics and balance things that are un-balanced IS improving.
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> > reach being fine as is, is also an opinion.
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> What is “broken?” You may not like bloom or abilities, but they aren’t broken. Broken and unbalanced things are like OMA in MW2. Nothing in Reach is anywhere near broken. The internet is so full of hyperbole.
bloom is broken, it’s the opposite of how it was ment to work therefore it is broken.
some armour abilties are un-balanced and don’t work as intended.
armour lock: un-balanced pre-update, post updated i think it’s fine.
AC: playere didn’t use it as intended, instead of being stealthy it promoted camping so it’s broken and unbalanced.
jetpack: breaks map flow and controll though admittedly, this is more down to poor map design.
Please tell me how it was suppose to work then. ^
> > > If 343i is actually dumb enough to change Reach completely I will have lost all faith in them. Who do you think would be more pissed off? The people who where dumb enough to buy something they don’t like, or the the people who bought a game they liked completely and had it changed? I bet people who like any of the previous Halo games would be pissed off if that happened to their games, and I would too! Adding stuff is fine, but Reach stays as I and many others bought it.
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> > buy something we didn’t like?
> > how do we know we don’t like it if we didn’t buy it and try it out? …
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> > the people who are currently pissed or annoyed with reach are long term halo fans who are not happy with the changes that where made to halo so people are pissed of that it happened to their game and want it fixed.
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> > the people who are against the changes are the people who don’t understand what is good and bad for the game, these changes are getting alot of good back instead of bad so it appears that the majority of people who are left actually prefer the changes over default reach, so logically speaking, going along with these changes is the correct thing to do.
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> Guess you didn’t play Reach beta. I’m so sorry to hear that. Still you can always sell your game to a store if you don’t like it. I’ll bet you’d be pretty pissed off if it were the other way around where the TU was getting swapped for the default. And furthermore, I like the TU(even though it clearly doesn’t work well with the Reach mechanics). It’s fun and challenging! That doesn’t mean I want it implemented in the rest of Reach.
i was going to play the beta but my xbox red ringed and couldn’t afford to get a new at the time.
i’m noting going to sell the game because i like it but there are things that need to be addressed and they are been dealt with by 343i with the TU and beta playlist.
yes, i would be annoyed if TU was default reach and it was getting swapped, why?
well, because it would be breaking a game instead of improving or fixing it, i’m sure that would anoy anyone.
> Please tell me how it was suppose to work then. ^
bloom was ment to punnish spammers at a distance and reward pacers but this is more or less the other way around.
currently with bloom, it is more effective to spam then it is to pace at any range while your reticule is red, this is not how bloom was intended and i think 343 also admitted this.
> yes, i would be annoyed if TU was default reach and it was getting swapped, why?
> well, <mark>because it would be breaking a game instead of improving or fixing it, i’m sure that would anoy anyone.</mark>
That’s your opinion. Unfortunately for you, that doesn’t make people who like Reach wrong for liking it. That is what completely changing Reach will say to people who like it.
> > > Saying it’s improved is only an opinion. Believe me, I want Halo 4 to go back to Halo 2 style gameplay as much as anyone, but changing Reach like they have without some more major changes makes it worse. I’m fine if they do stuff as long as it stays within the classic playlists. I don’t want the changes being universal.
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> > fixing or removing broken mechanics and balance things that are un-balanced IS improving.
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> > reach being fine as is, is also an opinion.
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> What is “broken?” You may not like bloom or abilities, but they aren’t broken. Broken and unbalanced things are like OMA in MW2. Nothing in Reach is anywhere near broken. The internet is so full of hyperbole.
I agree with you, except for that accursed banshee. Wayy too powerful bomb. Lol
> > yes, i would be annoyed if TU was default reach and it was getting swapped, why?
> > well, <mark>because it would be breaking a game instead of improving or fixing it, i’m sure that would anoy anyone.</mark>
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> That’s your opinion. Unfortunately for you, that doesn’t make people who like Reach wrong for liking it. That is what completely changing Reach will say to people who like it.
reach isn’t completely being changed though.
armour abilities are still there, maps are still there, still the same grenades, still the same flow…
honestly, core reach is the same as core halo which isn’t being changed, the things that build upon it are.
> > > > Saying it’s improved is only an opinion. Believe me, I want Halo 4 to go back to Halo 2 style gameplay as much as anyone, but changing Reach like they have without some more major changes makes it worse. I’m fine if they do stuff as long as it stays within the classic playlists. I don’t want the changes being universal.
> > >
> > > fixing or removing broken mechanics and balance things that are un-balanced IS improving.
> > >
> > > reach being fine as is, is also an opinion.
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> > What is “broken?” You may not like bloom or abilities, but they aren’t broken. Broken and unbalanced things are like OMA in MW2. Nothing in Reach is anywhere near broken. The internet is so full of hyperbole.
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> I agree with you, except for that accursed banshee. Wayy too powerful bomb. Lol
yup, the splash damage on the bomb needs to be reduced and the tricks need to take away from the boost charge aswell just to balance it out.
> > > yes, i would be annoyed if TU was default reach and it was getting swapped, why?
> > > well, <mark>because it would be breaking a game instead of improving or fixing it, i’m sure that would anoy anyone.</mark>
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> > That’s your opinion. Unfortunately for you, that doesn’t make people who like Reach wrong for liking it. That is what completely changing Reach will say to people who like it.
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> reach isn’t completely being changed though.
> armour abilities are still there, maps are still there, still the same grenades, still the same flow…
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> honestly, core reach is the same as core halo which isn’t being changed, the things that build upon it are.
Again, your opinion.
> > > > yes, i would be annoyed if TU was default reach and it was getting swapped, why?
> > > > well, <mark>because it would be breaking a game instead of improving or fixing it, i’m sure that would anoy anyone.</mark>
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> > > That’s your opinion. Unfortunately for you, that doesn’t make people who like Reach wrong for liking it. That is what completely changing Reach will say to people who like it.
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> > reach isn’t completely being changed though.
> > armour abilities are still there, maps are still there, still the same grenades, still the same flow…
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> > honestly, core reach is the same as core halo which isn’t being changed, the things that build upon it are.
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> Again, your opinion.
wait?
so the core mechanics and everything behind reach being halo is just my opinion?
lolwut?
> > > > > yes, i would be annoyed if TU was default reach and it was getting swapped, why?
> > > > > well, <mark>because it would be breaking a game instead of improving or fixing it, i’m sure that would anoy anyone.</mark>
> > > >
> > > > That’s your opinion. Unfortunately for you, that doesn’t make people who like Reach wrong for liking it. That is what completely changing Reach will say to people who like it.
> > >
> > > reach isn’t completely being changed though.
> > > armour abilities are still there, maps are still there, still the same grenades, still the same flow…
> > >
> > > honestly, core reach is the same as core halo which isn’t being changed, the things that build upon it are.
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> > Again, your opinion.
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> wait?
> so the core mechanics and everything behind reach being halo is just my opinion?
> lolwut?
Do you even remember how many things that were changed in the TU?
AA’s-light change
Bleed through- BIG CHANGE
ZB- HUGE CHANGE
85%bloom - light change (This is the only thing I don’t care about, just because I hardly notice a change)