Please just make them visible.

Games Other Halo
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Seriously. Every time I want to see my rank or anybody else’s rank, I have to go upstairs to where my computer is and log on and navigate through Halo Lagpoint and wait for everyone’s stats to load. If it’s just impossible to do for Halo 4, can you at least have them in game for Halo 5? I mean, the community has been very vocal and a vast majority are in favor of in-game ranks.

Having a ranked playlist and a social playlist would appease everyone—casual and competitive—and give us a goal worth striving for. Including it separate from the game makes ranks hardly feel relevant at all.

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> Seriously. Every time I want to see my rank or anybody else’s rank, I have to go upstairs to where my computer is and log on and navigate through Halo Lagpoint and wait for everyone’s stats to load. If it’s just impossible to do for Halo 4, can you at least have them in game for Halo 5? I mean, the community has been very vocal and a vast majority are in favor of in-game ranks.
>
> Having a ranked playlist and a social playlist would appease everyone—casual and competitive—and give us a goal worth striving for. Including it separate from the game makes ranks hardly feel relevant at all.

Firstly, you have absolutely no proof that the majority are for in game ranks and secondly what does it matter if you cant see what everyones rank is? Honestly i’m glad 343 don’t show it, as it stops stat whores from flaming at the community. This is one of the main reasons why people are leaving halo to begin with, all I ever hear now about halo 4 is people getting sick of the communities attitude, that and lag, and we can’t do anything about lag, that’s up to 343.

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Just leave a window open on your phone. Refresh after very game. Then you can use the time you saved not moaning on the forums about an issue we all knew was coming to actually play the game!

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> > Seriously. Every time I want to see my rank or anybody else’s rank, I have to go upstairs to where my computer is and log on and navigate through Halo Lagpoint and wait for everyone’s stats to load. If it’s just impossible to do for Halo 4, can you at least have them in game for Halo 5? I mean, the community has been very vocal and a vast majority are in favor of in-game ranks.
> >
> > Having a ranked playlist and a social playlist would appease everyone—casual and competitive—and give us a goal worth striving for. Including it separate from the game makes ranks hardly feel relevant at all.
>
> Firstly, you have absolutely no proof that the majority are for in game ranks and secondly what does it matter if you cant see what everyones rank is? Honestly i’m glad 343 don’t show it, as it stops stat whores from flaming at the community. This is one of the main reasons why people are leaving halo to begin with, all I ever hear now about halo 4 is people getting sick of the communities attitude, that and lag, and we can’t do anything about lag, that’s up to 343.

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I can see your point. But what is Halo Lagpoint? I’ve never heard of it. Is it just a slower version of Halo Waypoint?

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> Just leave a window open on your phone. Refresh after very game. Then you can use the time you saved not moaning on the forums about an issue we all knew was coming to actually play the game!

Nah… Rather disconect my tablet from the net. Not going to reconnect and refresh after each match. Still mind boggling that it can’t be viewed via service record in game. Not next to your name is bad enough, but not in service record is just laughable.

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> Firstly, you have absolutely no proof that the majority are for in game ranks

Are you sure?

Poll 1, Poll 2, Poll 3, Poll 4, Poll 5, Poll 6, Poll 7, Poll 8, Poll 9, Poll 10, VIGR-Mega Thread (warning, 114 pages). That’s all I’ll link you to for now unless you need more proof. This, in conjunction with Halo 4’s declining population, clearly indicates the game lacks value and does not provide players with incentive to stay. As we’ve noted from previous Halo titles, having VIGR provide players with incentive to stay and improve.

> and secondly what does it matter if you cant see what everyones rank is? Honestly i’m glad 343 don’t show it, as it stops stat whores from flaming at the community. This is one of the main reasons why people are leaving halo to begin with, all I ever hear now about halo 4 is people getting sick of the communities attitude, that and lag, and we can’t do anything about lag, that’s up to 343.

Trash talking? I’ve already addressed this, so I’ll quote what I said in the past:

That is the worst excuse I’ve ever heard. First off, Halo is inherently competitive, and in most competitive atmospheres trash talk happens because people take the game seriously (to some degree). Second, if you just can’t handle the fact that someone you’ll never actually meet IRL is running their mouth, you have a variety of options depending on the circumstance: you can mute them, kick them, avoid them, file a complaint, and/or leave the game. But no, that’s not good enough. Let’s just not include ranks because I’m insecure and don’t want people to stroke their own ego.

It is important for ranks to actually be in the game, otherwise it’s separate and hardly feels relevant. I never had to go out of my way to check my rank in the past, why start now? They admitted it was a mistake to not have flexible coding, which implies that they want to add in ranks as they’ve probably noted the huge demand for it. That being said, I expect ranks to be in-game for Halo 5 from the get-go, otherwise it will be a clear indication that 343i doesn’t actually acknowledge the pleas of their community and would prefer to push their own agenda.

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Dont forget about the huge info-graph that rigest did. Out of roughly 3200 people only 467 didn’t want in-game ranks while the vast majority did…

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Just make them visible for teamthrowdown and team doubles and were good here. Those are the only two serious competitive playlists so f you’re worried about scaring off casuals. They don’t even play them.

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> Dont forget about the huge info-graph that rigest did. Out of roughly 3200 people only 467 didn’t want in-game ranks while the vast majority did…

Don’t forget that 343i told us that their would be no in-game CSR BEFORE Halo 4 came out.

Acting surprised about now is not going to do any good.

Split playlists with in-game CSR for competitive play in Halo 5 needs to occur.

Asking for it in Halo 4 may be a pipe dream.

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> > Seriously. Every time I want to see my rank or anybody else’s rank, I have to go upstairs to where my computer is and log on and navigate through Halo Lagpoint and wait for everyone’s stats to load. If it’s just impossible to do for Halo 4, can you at least have them in game for Halo 5? I mean, the community has been very vocal and a vast majority are in favor of in-game ranks.
> >
> > Having a ranked playlist and a social playlist would appease everyone—casual and competitive—and give us a goal worth striving for. Including it separate from the game makes ranks hardly feel relevant at all.
>
> Firstly, you have absolutely no proof that the majority are for in game ranks and secondly what does it matter if you cant see what everyones rank is? Honestly i’m glad 343 don’t show it, as it stops stat whores from flaming at the community. This is one of the main reasons why people are leaving halo to begin with, all I ever hear now about halo 4 is people getting sick of the communities attitude, that and lag, and we can’t do anything about lag, that’s up to 343.

Every single time a poll is started on waypoint about ViGR, it’s always voted yes.

I realise that doesn’t speak for everybody, but it does say a lot.

Secondly, it helps to see if I’m matching up against good enemies and help me see whether or not I can actually trust my team. It also helps me see how I rank against other people.

You go and correct him that the majority aren’t on waypoint, but then you go and make your own assumption and state that the majority of us who want ViGR are flaming stat whores? Talk about being a hypocrite.

If it’s one of the main reasons people are leaving Halo, explain to me why Halo 3 had 180000 people on at this point with ViGR, and Halo 4 has 30000 with none?

If you don’t want people insulting you over imaginary points that don’t matter on a video game, then mute and block them. YOUR ARE GIVEN THE TOOLS TO DO THINGS ABOUT IT. WE ARE NOT GIVEN THE TOOLS TO IMPLEMENT VISUAL IN GAME RANKS.

And if they are implemented, a simple option such as “ViGR: Show/Hide” should be implemented as well so you can hide yours and others ranks if you don’t like them. However ranks would be on by default so that people can get used to them and turn them off if they really don’t like them.

Bam, something that works for everyone.

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> Don’t forget that 343i told us that their would be no in-game CSR BEFORE Halo 4 came out.
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> Acting surprised about now is not going to do any good.
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> Split playlists with in-game CSR for competitive play in Halo 5 needs to occur.
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> Asking for it in Halo 4 may be a pipe dream.

No one is acting surprised that it isn’t in the game. But the reasoning behind having no in-game ranks is bogus and with the large amount of people who want in-game ranks you would think we would here more about in-game ranks for the future. They easily have the ability to add them in-game they simply choose not to.

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> Every single time a poll is started on waypoint about ViGR, it’s always voted yes.
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> I realise that doesn’t speak for everybody, but it does say a lot.

It functions as a poll is intended to function; to get a scaled down representation of the general consensus.

> Secondly, it helps to see if I’m matching up against good enemies and help me see whether or not I can actually trust my team. It also helps me see how I rank against other people.

Don’t forget to mention in real time. I have to interrupt my gaming if I want to see people’s ranks and I’m forced to load up Waypoint.

> You go and correct him that the majority aren’t on waypoint, but then you go and make your own assumption and state that the majority of us who want ViGR are flaming stat whores? Talk about being a hypocrite.

See also: cherry-picking.

> If it’s one of the main reasons people are leaving Halo, explain to me why Halo 3 had 180000 people on at this point with ViGR, and Halo 4 has 30000 with none?

That’s being generous. When I look at Halo 3 matchmaking footage from 2009—2 years after Halo 3’s release—there are still well over 230,000 players online at any given time. Proof (at about 0:38 in).

> If you don’t want people insulting you over imaginary points that don’t matter on a video game, then mute and block them. YOUR ARE GIVEN THE TOOLS TO DO THINGS ABOUT IT. WE ARE NOT GIVEN THE TOOLS TO IMPLEMENT VISUAL IN GAME RANKS.
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> And if they are implemented, a simple option such as “ViGR: Show/Hide” should be implemented as well so you can hide yours and others ranks if you don’t like them. However ranks would be on by default so that people can get used to them and turn them off if they really don’t like them.
>
> Bam, something that works for everyone.

No, your solution makes too much sense. cannot compute…

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> > Don’t forget that 343i told us that their would be no in-game CSR BEFORE Halo 4 came out.
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> > Acting surprised about now is not going to do any good.
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> > Split playlists with in-game CSR for competitive play in Halo 5 needs to occur.
> >
> > Asking for it in Halo 4 may be a pipe dream.
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> No one is acting surprised that it isn’t in the game. But the reasoning behind having no in-game ranks is bogus and with the large amount of people who want in-game ranks you would think we would here more about in-game ranks for the future. They easily have the ability to add them in-game they simply choose not to.

Ok 343i told us it was not happening but threads are showing up once more asking for them, and getting upset that it is not visible in game.

So yes, people are acting surprised.

The 343i reasons are their own reasons: You do not need to agree with it. Just because you don’t like it, does not make it bogus.

Also, this fiction that it is easy to implement is utter tripe from those that simply cannot accept 343i decision.

If you do not have access to the code and the mechanics of the UI, then please stop with this idea that it is easy.

It is clear that whatever reason that 343i gives, you don’t accept it.

Accept this: 343i is in charge of Halo, not you.

Once you understand that, you can move on and make a determination to support Halo or to leave it.

Leaving it is absolutely fine. Don’t give 343i any money once Halo 5 comes out and vote with your wallet.

Threads

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> Ok 343i told us it was not happening but threads are showing up once more asking for them, and getting upset that it is not visible in game.

There’s is a massive difference between people who were completely ignorant and didn’t know that csr was only going to be on waypoint and people who knew it was only visible on waypoint and are dissatisfied with it and want it to change.

> The 343i reasons are their own reasons: You do not need to agree with it. Just because you don’t like it, does not make it bogus.

If they used flawed logic to come up with their reasoning then their decision not to make in-game ranks was completely bogus and flawed within itself.

> Also, this fiction that it is easy to implement is utter tripe from those that simply cannot accept 343i decision.

> If you do not have access to the code and the mechanics of the UI, then please stop with this idea that it is easy.

You make it seem like coding for the ui is completely impossible to figure out. If their coders can’t figure out how to add a visual ranks to this game then maybe they shouldn’t be working at 343.

> It is clear that whatever reason that 343i gives, you don’t accept it.

Because whatever reason the can can come up with is usually full of crap.

> Accept this: 343i is in charge of Halo, not you.

Accept this: With out a strong community they are nothing. Like any business you have to be able to please your customers and if you can’t you will go under.

> Once you understand that, you can move on and make a determination to support Halo or to leave it.

If halo continues down the path it is headed I will most definitely leave this franchise. If 343 actually wants to acknowledge some of the major issues this game has then i will stay and support them.

> Leaving it is absolutely fine. Don’t give 343i any money once Halo 5 comes out and vote with your wallet.
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It all depends on the actions they decide to take over the next couple of months for me to decide whether i buy another game from them.

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> Ok 343i told us it was not happening but threads are showing up once more asking for them, and getting upset that it is not visible in game.
>
> So yes, people are acting surprised.
>
> The 343i reasons are their own reasons: You do not need to agree with it. Just because you don’t like it, does not make it bogus.
>
> Also, this fiction that it is easy to implement is utter tripe from those that simply cannot accept 343i decision.
>
> If you do not have access to the code and the mechanics of the UI, then please stop with this idea that it is easy.
>
> It is clear that whatever reason that 343i gives, you don’t accept it.
>
> Accept this: 343i is in charge of Halo, not you.
>
> Once you understand that, you can move on and make a determination to support Halo or to leave it.
>
> Leaving it is absolutely fine. Don’t give 343i any money once Halo 5 comes out and vote with your wallet.
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> Threads

It’s because more and more people are recognizing how silly it is to separate ranks from the game and they’re voicing their opinion. Who knows, some may not have already been aware that CSR would be Waypoint-exclusive, but that’s beside the point.

You keep telling people to accept what 343i is doing because they’re in charge. That’s ridiculous. By letting them know what helps and what harms the game, we’re actually helping them. Crazy, right? They’re getting first-hand feedback on their product.

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> > Ok 343i told us it was not happening but threads are showing up once more asking for them, and getting upset that it is not visible in game.
> >
> > So yes, people are acting surprised.
> >
> > The 343i reasons are their own reasons: You do not need to agree with it. Just because you don’t like it, does not make it bogus.
> >
> > Also, this fiction that it is easy to implement is utter tripe from those that simply cannot accept 343i decision.
> >
> > If you do not have access to the code and the mechanics of the UI, then please stop with this idea that it is easy.
> >
> > It is clear that whatever reason that 343i gives, you don’t accept it.
> >
> > Accept this: 343i is in charge of Halo, not you.
> >
> > Once you understand that, you can move on and make a determination to support Halo or to leave it.
> >
> > Leaving it is absolutely fine. Don’t give 343i any money once Halo 5 comes out and vote with your wallet.
> >
> >
> >
> > Threads
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> It’s because more and more people are recognizing how silly it is to separate ranks from the game and they’re voicing their opinion. Who knows, some may not have already been aware that CSR would be Waypoint-exclusive, but that’s beside the point.
>
> You keep telling people to accept what 343i is doing because they’re in charge. That’s ridiculous. By letting them know what helps and what harms the game, we’re actually helping them. Crazy, right? They’re getting first-hand feedback on their product.

We don’t live in a communist society. This is the free market economy where company’s own their own property.

343i and Microsoft own Halo. We don’t.

We have the power to influence them through our purchases. If 343i does not listen to its customers then they will answer to their share holders once sales dry up.

They want your money, not your suggestions that will cost them money to work on a new UI etc…

Like I said, Halo 5 will be pivotal for those that want to influence 343i.

Simply state that we will not buy the game unless certain things are present.

That is how change may occur.

And if they don’t make it, and enough people turn their back on Halo, then the franchise will die.

It happens.

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> > Firstly, you have absolutely no proof that the majority are for in game ranks
>
> Are you sure?
>
> Poll 1, Poll 2, Poll 3, Poll 4, Poll 5, Poll 6, Poll 7, Poll 8, Poll 9, Poll 10, VIGR-Mega Thread (warning, 114 pages). That’s all I’ll link you to for now unless you need more proof. This, in conjunction with Halo 4’s declining population, clearly indicates the game lacks value and does not provide players with incentive to stay. As we’ve noted from previous Halo titles, having VIGR provide players with incentive to stay and improve.
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> > and secondly what does it matter if you cant see what everyones rank is? Honestly i’m glad 343 don’t show it, as it stops stat whores from flaming at the community. This is one of the main reasons why people are leaving halo to begin with, all I ever hear now about halo 4 is people getting sick of the communities attitude, that and lag, and we can’t do anything about lag, that’s up to 343.
>
> Trash talking? I’ve already addressed this, so I’ll quote what I said in the past:
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> That is the worst excuse I’ve ever heard. First off, Halo is inherently competitive, and in most competitive atmospheres trash talk happens because people take the game seriously (to some degree). Second, if you just can’t handle the fact that someone you’ll never actually meet IRL is running their mouth, you have a variety of options depending on the circumstance: you can <mark>mute them, kick them, avoid them, file a complaint, and/or leave the game.</mark> But no, that’s not good enough. Let’s just not include ranks because I’m insecure and don’t want people to stroke their own ego.
>
> It is important for ranks to actually be in the game, otherwise it’s separate and hardly feels relevant. I never had to go out of my way to check my rank in the past, why start now? They admitted it was a mistake to not have flexible coding, which implies that they want to add in ranks as they’ve probably noted the huge demand for it. That being said, I expect ranks to be in-game for Halo 5 from the get-go, otherwise it will be a clear indication that 343i doesn’t actually acknowledge the pleas of their community and would prefer to push their own agenda.

sometiems I wonder why people never use the muste button.

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@RyoTakahashi

So basically you’re telling me to sit back and say nothing? If everyone did that, how would 343i know what to implement? Or what they did right/wrong? What if they were doing everything wrong (buffing the boltshot, buffing the DMR, etc) and people just had the mentality: “343i is in charge. Their decision is best decision.”

It only makes sense, being a fan, to support 343i by telling them what would likely improve the game.

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> > > Ok 343i told us it was not happening but threads are showing up once more asking for them, and getting upset that it is not visible in game.
> > >
> > > So yes, people are acting surprised.
> > >
> > > The 343i reasons are their own reasons: You do not need to agree with it. Just because you don’t like it, does not make it bogus.
> > >
> > > Also, this fiction that it is easy to implement is utter tripe from those that simply cannot accept 343i decision.
> > >
> > > If you do not have access to the code and the mechanics of the UI, then please stop with this idea that it is easy.
> > >
> > > It is clear that whatever reason that 343i gives, you don’t accept it.
> > >
> > > Accept this: 343i is in charge of Halo, not you.
> > >
> > > Once you understand that, you can move on and make a determination to support Halo or to leave it.
> > >
> > > Leaving it is absolutely fine. Don’t give 343i any money once Halo 5 comes out and vote with your wallet.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Threads
> >
> > It’s because more and more people are recognizing how silly it is to separate ranks from the game and they’re voicing their opinion. Who knows, some may not have already been aware that CSR would be Waypoint-exclusive, but that’s beside the point.
> >
> > You keep telling people to accept what 343i is doing because they’re in charge. That’s ridiculous. By letting them know what helps and what harms the game, we’re actually helping them. Crazy, right? They’re getting first-hand feedback on their product.
>
> We don’t live in a communist society. This is the free market economy where company’s own their own property.
>
> 343i and Microsoft own Halo. We don’t.
>
> We have the power to influence them through our purchases. If 343i does not listen to its customers then they will answer to their share holders once sales dry up.
>
> They want your money, not your suggestions that will cost them money to work on a new UI etc…
>
> Like I said, Halo 5 will be pivotal for those that want to influence 343i.
>
> Simply state that we will not buy the game unless certain things are present.
>
> That is how change may occur.
>
> And if they don’t make it, and enough people turn their back on Halo, then the franchise will die.
>
> It happens.

You’re right. it does happen. But it shouldn’t have to happen to a AAA gaming franchise because the gaming developers were to prideful of their own changes to the game to implement anything that has worked in previous installments.

If a car company decided that it wanted to make changes to it’s already tried and true formula of gas powered V8 trucks, and started making wimpy electric motor trucks instead, the community that supports them would be in an uprage. Generally, this would be an indication that they aren’t happy with the way that the company is designing their product, and that the support will more than likely stop at a given point in the future if previous installments weren’t recognized for their merit. The company, who does not want to go under, would look back and at the very least give the community the option to have it’s gas powered monsters back. That may be at a slight fee above the electric motored ones (not realistic, but I’m making a point) but they would still be available. This is to appease the community and keep their support.

343i should at least do the same. I would pay pretty heathly amounts of money for a VIGR and some good maps. And to say that they only care about money and they are ignoring that as a possibility? That’s just bad business mechanics.

Also, you seem to be all about obeying your rulers. Tell me, if we never made any complaints or suggestions, where would the world be? it would be a totalitarian police state. We must fight for change for it to happen. You don’t just sit back and take the punches.