Really that kind of seems to be 343i goal with the whole voyage into the unknown and study Forerunner installations worlds and AI. The Infinity survived for no reason in Halo 4. Remember Didact scanned the Infinity to get info out of it and thats why he wanted it intact yet 343i Guilty Spark was able to extract everything about humanity from the Pillar of Autumn when it suffered a crash that left her unable to even fly.
So there was not reason for him to not tell the Covenant to glass the entire ship. He could of even gotten the information from Cortana or the Forward Unto Dawn, both he knew existed and posed a far less threat to him since he could of sent unlimited Knights to take MC down like The Scanned Trailer. In That Didact saw MC’s entire Spartan augmentation and his life as a child. It wasn’t canon but Diact’s abilities could of done exactly what happened in the trailer. Also did anyone else notice that when MC throws the grenade The Promethean says Axios.
Again in Spartan Ops the Covenant put timers on the nukes they were right next too instead of just setting them off when one was just seconds from going off so they didn’t care about living clearly so why put a timer on the nukes and why not just teleport more Knights into the commander bridge to kill everyone and not just kidnap Halsey why did Jul need them to be alive and if he was going to nuke the Infinity what was the point of having the crazy plan of having his troops set up nukes if he was going the throw the Infinity into the sun.
Just saying…no reason it should have the luck of Han Solo. At least the Enterprise logically fought of its threats the Infinity just… gets off with a get out of jail free card.
I wouldn’t worry about this to much. There are too many things pointing towards Infinity’s eventual destruction, Halo 5’s dark plot in particular. This is Halo, ships don’t last long.
I don’t know if the Enterprise is a good comparison (Though my knowledge on the subject is minimal). I guess there was that speech about peaceful exploration but we haven’t seen much of that. More like a little bit of exploration followed by a whole lot of violence.
The Infinity does seem invincible but it’s only had one game and has had a lot of close calls in said game. The plot simply demands that Infinity survives the writing just needs improvement which I’m confident it will.
As for the many continuity errors you’ve pointed out with Infinity’s survival, 343 could always throw explanations in later like they did with Chief’s armor. Although his new look hasn’t been fully explained yet we now know that it’s based off a Mk IV variant so now the epilogue makes a lot more sense.
> I wouldn’t worry about this to much. There are too many things pointing towards Infinity’s eventual destruction, Halo 5’s dark plot in particular. This is Halo, ships don’t last long.
UNSC Spirit of Fire [Technically lost with all hands…]
UNSC Savannah
UNSC Pillar of Autumn
UNSC In Amber Clad
UNSC Forward Unto Dawn
Only a matter of time before the Infinity experiences some turbulence.
OT: Starship Enterprise was one of the first things I thought of when introduced to Infinity.
To boldly go isn’t exactly Halo’s theme… the discovery and wonder were always a happy by-product of other themes. At least, that’s how it started in Halo CE. Novels and games since then have layered in the existing Forerunner clues and whatnot, meaning the search for ancient knowledge predated Ce, but Halo was always a military sci-fi game first, and anything else second. I don’t think that will change, even if Infinity hangs around for a long while.
Interesting point on the Axios ‘egg,’ I haven’t heard it yet but completely missed it.
> Why? Why does the UNSC Infinity has to blow up? Why does every single ship in the game have to be destroyed?
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> There’s nothing wrong with the Infinity to just go on with it’s mission, no matter how Star Trekish it is.
You’re missing the point, it has nothing to do with if the ship is Star Trekish on how it has survived it has just survived for stupid reasons. The ship should of been scraped when we first aw it land on Requiem but the plot called for some way for MC to have UNSC support even thought it would of made more sense to retreat if the Infinity had been destroyed or damaged to the point that the crew didn’t have the equipment to repair it at the moment.
It would of been far more tense if we ould of done the mission Reclaimer with 17,000 lives at steak and not hanging in the most powerful known ship in the system. Than again it would of made more sense for Del Rio to retreat with his remaining forces rather than running away leaving a large threat unopposed. Really that first contact thing was BS. You’re telling me that Del Rio couldn’t send a message to Fleet Comms saying
"We have found a missing Spartan Master Chief Petty Officer John 117 and his AI Cortana. Each has given use clear evidence that Sol System and humanity are in danger of possible Rouge Forerunner AI. Warn the Home Fleet we will do what we can on the Foreunner sheild world.
P.S. We have also engaged Sangheili, Unngoy, Kig-yar and Lekgolo threats who have allied with the Rouge Forerunner AI."
Why was something like that so hard to do. Hell the Infinity was attacked first as well. Don’t they have Cameras on the ships that could show they were minding their own business before they were attacked so Thel and his troops won’t get the wrong idea.
Back on track the Star Trek part is how their mission is to go into the great void of Space to find and study Forerunner installations and deactivate the remaining Halo Rings. I’m not a big Star Trek fan i just know the Bare minimum about the series but i can say that the Infinity shares a goal with the Enterprise that bugs almost as much as its inability to die.
> Why? Why does the UNSC Infinity has to blow up? Why does every single ship in the game have to be destroyed?
Tradition? Haha I don’t know.
I think seeing the Infinity crash and burn could be a spectacular moment, not just to witness, but as a plot device. Perhaps it will momentarily cast humanity back to a stage of vulnerability, setting the stage for the new era of danger.
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> Really that kind of seems to be 343i goal with the whole voyage into the unknown and study Forerunner installations worlds and AI. The Infinity survived for no reason in Halo 4. Remember Didact scanned the Infinity to get info out of it and thats why he wanted it intact yet 343i Guilty Spark was able to extract everything about humanity from the Pillar of Autumn when it suffered a crash that left her unable to even fly.
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> Spark presumably had the full scanning capacity of the entire Halo Ring at his disposal, while Didact only had his war Cryptum against a far more advanced, Forerunner-lite ship.
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> So there was not reason for him to not tell the Covenant to glass the entire ship. He could of even gotten the information from Cortana or the Forward Unto Dawn, both he knew existed and posed a far less threat to him since he could of sent unlimited Knights to take MC down like The Scanned Trailer. In That Didact saw MC’s entire Spartan augmentation and his life as a child. It wasn’t canon but Diact’s abilities could of done exactly what happened in the trailer. Also did anyone else notice that when MC throws the grenade The Promethean says Axios.
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> Forward Unto Dawn, Master Chief and Cortana did not have the info he needed, which was the location of the Composer.
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> Again in Spartan Ops the Covenant put timers on the nukes they were right next too instead of just setting them off when one was just seconds from going off so they didn’t care about living clearly so why put a timer on the nukes and why not just teleport more Knights into the commander bridge to kill everyone and not just kidnap Halsey why did Jul need them to be alive and if he was going to nuke the Infinity what was the point of having the crazy plan of having his troops set up nukes if he was going the throw the Infinity into the sun.
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> The nukes were a distraction so they could capture Halsey relatively unmolested; a “smash and grab” maneuver. And they needed Halsey alive to open the Librarian; if Infinity went up in flames too, great, two birds with one stone, but that isn’t why they were there.
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> Just saying…no reason it should have the luck of Han Solo. At least the Enterprise logically fought of its threats the Infinity just… gets off with a get out of jail free card.
It hasn’t survived due to luck. There has only been an all-out attempt to destroy it once and Infinity logically fought its way out of that one.
> To boldly go isn’t exactly Halo’s theme… the discovery and wonder were always a happy by-product of other themes. At least, that’s how it started in Halo CE. Novels and games since then have layered in the existing Forerunner clues and whatnot, meaning the search for ancient knowledge predated Ce, but Halo was always a military sci-fi game first, and anything else second. I don’t think that will change, even if Infinity hangs around for a long while.
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> Interesting point on the Axios ‘egg,’ I haven’t heard it yet but completely missed it.
Also, I can’t STAND the “Armor” of the Storm Elites, about 50% of them is NOT covered in Armor, what was 343i thinking? Sure they have amazing reflexes and shields, but still, 50% is less than needed.
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> > Really that kind of seems to be 343i goal with the whole voyage into the unknown and study Forerunner installations worlds and AI. The Infinity survived for no reason in Halo 4. Remember Didact scanned the Infinity to get info out of it and thats why he wanted it intact yet 343i Guilty Spark was able to extract everything about humanity from the Pillar of Autumn when it suffered a crash that left her unable to even fly.
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> > Spark presumably had the full scanning capacity of the entire Halo Ring at his disposal, while Didact only had his war Cryptum against a far more advanced, Forerunner-lite ship.
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> > So there was not reason for him to not tell the Covenant to glass the entire ship. He could of even gotten the information from Cortana or the Forward Unto Dawn, both he knew existed and posed a far less threat to him since he could of sent unlimited Knights to take MC down like The Scanned Trailer. In That Didact saw MC’s entire Spartan augmentation and his life as a child. It wasn’t canon but Diact’s abilities could of done exactly what happened in the trailer. Also did anyone else notice that when MC throws the grenade The Promethean says Axios.
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> > Forward Unto Dawn, Master Chief and Cortana did not have the info he needed, which was the location of the Composer.
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> > Again in Spartan Ops the Covenant put timers on the nukes they were right next too instead of just setting them off when one was just seconds from going off so they didn’t care about living clearly so why put a timer on the nukes and why not just teleport more Knights into the commander bridge to kill everyone and not just kidnap Halsey why did Jul need them to be alive and if he was going to nuke the Infinity what was the point of having the crazy plan of having his troops set up nukes if he was going the throw the Infinity into the sun.
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> > The nukes were a distraction so they could capture Halsey relatively unmolested; a “smash and grab” maneuver. And they needed Halsey alive to open the Librarian; if Infinity went up in flames too, great, two birds with one stone, but that isn’t why they were there.
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> > Just saying…no reason it should have the luck of Han Solo. At least the Enterprise logically fought of its threats the Infinity just… gets off with a get out of jail free card.
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> It hasn’t survived due to luck. There has only been an all-out attempt to destroy it once and Infinity logically fought its way out of that one.
If you ask me it has. The only reasoned it survived in Halo 4 was because MC or Fireteam Crimson was there. If Crimson hadn’t of been captured, saved TJ Murphy and stolen the Phantom they would of never of been there to take out the nukes and if MC wasn’t there no one would of saved Lasky, Plamer, her Spartans along with the Marines, cleared the LZ, lead the counter attack and secured the ship.
Not to mention the whole throw them into the Sun Plan was stupid in the first place because Jul for some reason didn’t set up bases at the terminals which would of thrown the Infinity into the Star but he only had small amounts of troops when he should of had fleets. To ensure the Infinity would be destroyed maybe his ships should of attacked it so they would have more to worry about than finding a way not to fly into the sun.
Hell it would of made more sense for Jul to have the Nukes at the locations where the uncovered artifact was so even if we did somehow get past the one still buried that they didn’t even need because they could of just teleported into the chamber with the knights because they activated it somehow using the Harvester to try and open a hole makes no sense but to only be used as a means for us the get through the wall.
> > Oh I hope the Infinity gets destroyed because of the symbol it is: one giant -Yoink!- you to the rest of the galaxy.
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> Even though its ridiculous, sometimes I mentally draw parallels from Infinity to the Republican Space Rangers.
> Oh I hope the Infinity gets destroyed because of the symbol it is: one giant -Yoink!- you to the rest of the galaxy.
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Despite that in the next comic coming out Infinity is going to be playing a key part in negotiations between Humans, Sangheili and Jiralhanea but as for every other faction, yeah it’s a yoink you.
Anything could happen in this comic of course but in till such a time when it comes out and proves you right the only thing we know for sure is that Infinity is doing the right thing and we should reserve our judgement just to be fair.
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> Really that kind of seems to be 343i goal with the whole voyage into the unknown and study Forerunner installations worlds and AI. The Infinity survived for no reason in Halo 4. Remember Didact scanned the Infinity to get info out of it and thats why he wanted it intact yet 343i Guilty Spark was able to extract everything about humanity from the Pillar of Autumn when it suffered a crash that left her unable to even fly.
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> So there was not reason for him to not tell the Covenant to glass the entire ship. He could of even gotten the information from Cortana or the Forward Unto Dawn, both he knew existed and posed a far less threat to him since he could of sent unlimited Knights to take MC down like The Scanned Trailer. In That Didact saw MC’s entire Spartan augmentation and his life as a child. It wasn’t canon but Diact’s abilities could of done exactly what happened in the trailer. Also did anyone else notice that when MC throws the grenade The Promethean says Axios.
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> Again in Spartan Ops the Covenant put timers on the nukes they were right next too instead of just setting them off when one was just seconds from going off so they didn’t care about living clearly so why put a timer on the nukes and why not just teleport more Knights into the commander bridge to kill everyone and not just kidnap Halsey why did Jul need them to be alive and if he was going to nuke the Infinity what was the point of having the crazy plan of having his troops set up nukes if he was going the throw the Infinity into the sun.
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> Just saying…no reason it should have the luck of Han Solo. At least the Enterprise logically fought of its threats the Infinity just… gets off with a get out of jail free card.
What else is Humanity supposed to do with their greatest ship in a time of “peace”? Turn it into a restaurant?
The Infinity didn’t smack the ground and bounce and skid like the Autumn did. Not to mention Infinity is probably a bit more structurally stable than the Autumn. It wasn’t too damaged by the crash, just scraping the underside with all the rocks beneath. And the AI getting destroyed.
I’m not sure if the Didact’s Cryptum has ofdensive capabilities. He wouldn’t have done anything.
And… he did tell the Covenant to destroy the ship. Why else were there 8 ships descending on it? They are Light Cruisers, so their weapons may be a bit limited, so they were probably coming in for glassing. Then Chief reactivates the external defense network and drives them back. If that didn’t happen, Infinity would be dust.
Neither Cortana nor the Dawn had any information on a Composer.
Or maybe the nukes were already set up with timers? They just turned them on.
And if they blow themselves up with one nuke the others won’t go off with the force and reaction they want. That is a Forerunner drive they’re trying to disable. The Keyship shrugged off 4 MACs and hundreds of Longsword missiles without a scratch.
Perhaps he didn’t know Infinity was locked down until it tried to escape.
He needed Halsey, and Infinity wasn’t the priority. The Covies just took that chance. The nuke plan would have done the job.
Infinity got out of Requiem by prioritizing and being cautious. It didn’t have an AI anymore and Del Rio was kind of freaking out for reasons Onyx included in his analysis about Del Rio. Its not really luck that it got out.
> I’m not a big Star Trek fan i just know the Bare minimum about the series but i can say that the Infinity shares a goal with the Enterprise that bugs almost as much as its inability to die.
It really shows, the Enterprise actually is blown up an a few occasions, so far I can only think of one ship carrying the name of Enterprise to actually be retired, and that was the NX Enterprise. Enterprise - D have all been blown up at some point.
Enterprise E came close to blowing up at least twice in the movies. In the STO lore, I believe the Enterprise E blows up at some point.
But Infinity is out looking for forerunner tech, and Halo Rings. Enterprise is out searching for new life, and exploring the galaxy. Not exactly the same.
Now as for the crash, the Infinity is the UNSC flagship, and the main ship used in Spartan Ops, and most likely will have some part in some future Halo story, may it be in the games, or the books.
> > Oh I hope the Infinity gets destroyed because of the symbol it is: one giant -Yoink!- you to the rest of the galaxy.
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> Despite that in the next comic coming out Infinity is going to be playing a key part in negotiations between Humans, Sangheili and Jiralhanea but as for every other faction, yeah it’s a yoink you.
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> Anything could happen in this comic of course but in till such a time when it comes out and proves you right <mark>the only thing we know for sure is that Infinity is doing the right thing and we should reserve our judgement just to be fair.</mark>
Technically it was at Sangheilos in 2553 to help out the Arbiter, yet it was really used by ONI to cripple his forces as well. So it really doesn’t matter if it used for the “right thing”, it is still a giant middle finger to the rest of the galaxy.
> Why? Why does the UNSC Infinity has to blow up? Why does every single ship in the game have to be destroyed?
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> There’s nothing wrong with the Infinity to just go on with it’s mission, no matter how Star Trekish it is.
Agreed, we also need other Infinity Class Starships. Infinity’s cool and all, but it’s not invincible, Ancient human ships wielded the power to destroy Forerunner ships in one hit. And a Covenant CSO-Class Supercarrier is 28.960 kilometers in length, 11.447 kilometers in width and 3.563 kilometers in height and depth. I think it would cause some trouble for the Infinity, the damn ship’s as high as the infinity is long. The UNSC need to develop a ship that is as large, if not bigger than a CSO-Class Supercarrier.
It should have a glistinig silver-white hull and a gun metal grey underbelly, with a Human styled glyph at the side of it that glows like Hardlight and a Legendary name to boot, something like The UNSC Nibiru. It should have an energy based weapon system and a massive Spartan laser type weapon, that comes out of the front of the ship and lasts for 6 seconds before recharging again. It would completely obliterate shield systems and melt through any hull, even if it didn’t destroy the ship, it would render it useless. The ship’s power turrets should also be super powerful Duel MAC cannons, it should also carry some Shiva class nuclear warheads just encase .
Imagine if the UNSC had 15 - 20 ships like that, god help the Covenant.