Please, 343i, do not ruin Sarah Palmer

I’ll let that title sink in for a moment. Don’t ruin Sarah Palmer? But Cobra, isn’t she already a bad character? Ah, that is your first mistake, I am asking for 343 to not ruin the Escalation Palmer as opposed to the Spartan Ops - Initiation Palmer. You see, the comic series known as Halo: Escalation is currently doing something amazing for Sarah Palmer as a character. No longer is she the overbearing, catchphrase repeating, faux-action girl character we saw in Halo 4 and Initiation.

So why is it that so many people hated her in Halo 4 and Initiation? For one, I think she was pushed too much on the fanbase early on. She had a brief appearance in the main Halo 4 campaign and she wasn’t bad in it. Yet in Spartan Ops she had a much more prevalent role and, as stated above, came off as really overbearing. Between her infamous hatred of “eggheads” and use of “bad guys” constantly, it really felt like the character was trying too hard to seem badass. Throw in her cartoonishly powerful pistols laying waste to everything they hit, her shocking emotional outbrusts, ie hitting the holographic table on the bridge and her mini-meltdown after Jul 'Mdama and a now unconscious Halsey got away and bashing of Halsey in general, admittedly more of a personal issue for me, she didn’t have much of a chance.

Her role only expanded after she got her own comic mini-series and a lead role in Spartan Assault. I know Initiation was meant to shed some light on the origins of the Spartan-IVs, but it really felt like a superhero comic book trying to act like a Halo story. We are talking about a story whose main antagonist was a “prototype” Spartan-IV who went insane because of her augmentations, that is one of the most cliche supervillain origins in and of itself. The whole story was juts ridiculous and pretty much was set out to make Palmer look more impressive. It didn’t exactly work out too well if reviews and opinions from those who read it are to be believed.

I mean, the comic tries to rationalize her hatred of scientists with this gem: “Soldiers don’t act like they’re smarter than me just because it took them eight years longer to get out of school.”

Is that supposed to make us sympathize with her? To me it just feels like projection. And to top it all off, this comes after we are told she is giving her doctors a hard time after she was injured in a previous battle. They are trying to get you healed and keep you alive, being a -Yoink- to them because at some point some scientist made you feel dumb is not something to be admired.

So what has Escalation done? Well, it has made her seem like a decent person who actually has empathy. As I said in a previous thread: “She put her own career on the line when she lied to Admiral Osman about Lasky sending Majestic to save Halsey by saying they were back up to help terminate Halsey. She then goes on to kick a fair amount of -Yoink!- during the Battle of Ealen IV to boot. Yet the thing that really got me was when her ideology got challenged. She had to leave DeMarco and Fireteam Bailey behind so the Elite, human and Brute delegations could escape the planet with Covenant forces coming in hot. Somehow I doubt she’ll be so gung-ho about “Orders are orders, so we much follow them”. The fact she was standing and staring out into space, just like Master Chief did when he lost Cortana, and told Lasky to leave her alone really show how tore up she was over losing good Spartans and how powerless she was to prevent it.”

So with good things coming out of Escalation regarding Palmer, why am I asking 343 Industries not to ruin her? In my opinion, they’ve had a bad habit of trying to make excuses for her more “controversial” aspects. Consider what her avatar item says about her: “Once an ODST, Sarah Palmer was hand-picked by former Spartan-III Jun A-266 to be one of the first candidates in the new Spartan IV program. Quickly proving herself during the defense of the UNSC Infinity from a hostile takeover by Insurrectionists, Palmer was soon called upon to lead a Spartan strike team during the historic Battle of Draetheus-V. Now the senior Spartan aboard Infinity, <mark>Commander Palmer went on to be instrumental in the recovery of the Master Chief and the defeat of Jul ‘Mdama at Requiem.</mark>”

That sounds like they are trying to make her seem better than she actualyl is. Instrumental in reocvering Chief? He literally walked up to where they were hiding and helped them get off of Requiem? Instrumental in defeating Jul 'Mdama? Seriously? He managed to hold Requiem for six months, launched regular attacks on UNSC science bases, kidnapped numerous Spartans, nearly destroyed the Infinity twice, kidnapped Dr. Halsey, holds the other half of the Janus Key, destroyed Requiem and continuous to be a threat to humanity. How is that “defeating” him?

Something I saw on Twitter also reinforced my problems with this kind of damage control. When asked why she did not arrest Chief when ordered by Del Rio, it was said that: “Palmer’s branch (& rank) = Spartan. Del Rio ordered a Navy Lt, not Palmer. W/Halsey, she was doing what Lasky could not.” Sorry, but that is such -Yoink-. He looked right at her. It is just a cover to try and make her “Orders are orders” mentality seem not as hypocritical. Unless I am reading the statement wrong of course, but I don’t think I am.

That said, it doesn’t have to be this way. Palmer doesn’t have to be thrown at us in all directions across several forms of Halo media to the point that fans are annoyed about it nor do excuses for bad writing or exaggerations about her actions need to be made. Escalation shows us that with quality writing and real character depth, even a character as negatively received as Palmer can be redeemed and seen in a good light and Escalation has only had three issues. If she can be improved in that short a time, imagine what an entire campaign with similar quality could do for her.

So please, stay on the example that Escalation has set, don’t go back to the old ways and ruin what is shaping up to be a good character.

Oh my…I agree 100% I wish I had something to add or something to say besides that I agree but you…just wow amazing read…10/10

Palmer is sitting at an interesting point in her character development. There is an incredible amount of things that could be done to make her almost as well liked as Sarge Johnson without ruining that attitude that she has going. But saying this.

They cant expect their fanbase to play their games, read their 500 page books, and then on top of it find their comics as well. It’s almost to much to ask of anyone person to do. I would like a little backstory in the game just stating some of things that your post says about her ie. Being handpicked by jun, odst at first, etc…

I really hope they just don’t get rid of her but make her better. Getting rid of her or doing a complete 180 with her character would be the laziest and probably the worst way to go about that.

sarah palmer sucks hope she dies

Ehh, have her go out like Asuka, and everything will be fine.

> sarah palmer sucks hope she dies

She USED to suck, but she is going good in Escalation.

At least you’re saying that Palmer has real potential, but was she really such a bad character in the first place? I can see what you’re saying when you say that 343 is trying to make her god-like and all, but as far as her in-universe actions go, I truly can’t see anything that has made her so unlikable to the community.

I mean, banging her fist on a console (and not breaking it mind you)? Jai did the same thing in Cole Protocol. Her hypocritical “orders are orders” statement? Didn’t do her any justice, no, but her other reasons actually justified her actions. Overbearing attitude? If the esteemed war vets under her command were as sensitive as the community seems to be, I can see how that would be an issue.

I’m just not seeing where this hate is being projected at. Palmer is not a perfect, or even great character by any sense of the word, but when a lot of people are saying that she is just a terrible character that should be killed off…it’s just frustrating to constantly hear. As if character progression and emotional evolution should only happen to the initially likable characters.

> At least you’re saying that Palmer has real potential, but was she really such a bad character in the first place? I can see what you’re saying when you say that 343 is trying to make her god-like and all, but as far as her in-universe actions go, <mark>I truly can’t see anything that has made her so unlikable to the community.</mark>
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> I mean, banging her fist on a console (and not breaking it mind you)? Jai did the same thing in Cole Protocol. Her hypocritical “orders are orders” statement? Didn’t do her any justice, no, but her other reasons actually justified her actions. Overbearing attitude? If the esteemed war vets under her command were as sensitive as the community seems to be, I can see how that would be an issue.
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> I’m just not seeing where this hate is being projected at.

I can only speak for myself as to why I didn’t like Palmer at first and those reasons where listed in the OP, which you read. As for others, well you’ll have to ask them, but I don’t think you’ll find much difference. Its fine if you don’t agree with the hate people have for the character, which can be ridiculous at times, but it is what it is. I still think what we see with her in Escalation is the way to go.

It took the death of DeMarco and the Fireteam for Palmer to really seem like a flushed out character.

And part of me is not okay with that.

they can kill off palmer and most fans would rejoice

> It took the death of DeMarco and the Fireteam for Palmer to really seem like a flushed out character.
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> And part of me is not okay with that.

It took Cortana’s rampancy and subsequent death to make Chief seem more flushed out. And that was AFTER most of his friends died on Reach.

> It took the death of DeMarco and the Fireteam for Palmer to really seem like a flushed out character.
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> And part of me is not okay with that.

It sucks that this development is coming now and under such circumstances, but I am glad it is at least coming and actually makes sense.

> they can kill off palmer and most fans would rejoice

I would’ve been one of them, but not with how Palmer is shaping off now.

In terms of that tweet, it just seems like they’re making things canon they didn’t have time to fully flesh out.

I think back to the whole Jul 'Mdama thing in Forerunner. I accept he shouted it, but Reed says he’s in the cutscene. I have yet to find him. Unless he decided to wear Minor Armor that day.

> In terms of that tweet, it just seems like they’re making things canon they didn’t have time to fully flesh out.

Still doesn’t exactly make sense to me. I know they establish the ranking structure in Initiation for Spartans. I guess I just don’t get what they are saying exactly.

> I think back to the whole Jul 'Mdama thing in Forerunner. I accept he shouted it, but Reed says he’s in the cutscene. I have yet to find him. Unless he decided to wear Minor Armor that day.

Same here.

Totally agree. I don’t see why it can’t be Palmer. She is referred to as Commander Palmer. It’s even been stated the Commander was a title, not a rank. So if Del Rio considers her one of his Lieutenants, why can’t she be referred to as such?

Still don’t accept it as when Schlerf was asked about it, he said it was a mistake they made, but he was referring to Palmer.

> Totally agree. I don’t see why it can’t be Palmer. She is referred to as Commander Palmer. It’s even been stated the Commander was a title, not a rank. So if Del Rio considers her one of his Lieutenants, why can’t she be referred to as such?
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> Still don’t accept it as when Schlerf was asked about it, he said it was a mistake they made, but he was referring to Palmer.

Wouldn’t really make sense to have your non-Spartan LTs try to arrest a Spartan either. Palmer would have the best chance, but I guess poor old Ryder has to arrest Chief, eh?

Ryder reminds me of the guy in Ghosts of Onyx who is way too old to be doing his job, but does it anyway because too many people good at the job he does are already dead,

> It took the death of DeMarco and the Fireteam for Palmer to really seem like a flushed out character.
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> And part of me is not okay with that.

D**n I need to read these comics now if what you guys say is true. Of all the people I wouldn’t have cared about dying it definitely would have been DeMarco. Hell, half of the Spartan IV’s seem ridiculously overconfident like him anyway.

Honestly in terms of Palmer, yes she got annoying in Spops, but Cortana was easily much more annoying at parts.

…Ok, and how does that make you feel??

OT: Totally agree, she just seemed like too much of a whiner for a senior Officer and tried too hard to be badass. That and you have to be smart to a be a smart–Yoink-, which she isn’t.

I hope she changes, and by the sound of this she is a bit, but she’s got an uphill struggle as far as her chaacter goes in terms of popularity.

Dissing the Chief didn’t help exactly.

~ Duck.

Can’t stand her. She may be good in one of the comics, but those are pretty auxiliary media that I’m guessing the vast majority of halo fans aren’t going to bother with. If you’re going to develop a hated character into a decent one, do it in the games, or in some dlc. At the very least do it in one of the novels, just not a comic because it isn’t going to reach a broad enough audience. So most people are still going to hate her if she shows up in Halo 5. At this point I just think they should write/kill her off and stop wasting resources trying to undo loads of pre existing terrible characterization.