It was just a dumb thing to add in and proven in the beta to be easily exploited and ban innocent people. And it’s been proven again in the final release. I know it was bungie’s mistake, but please get rid of it. In fact, all of the bans are lousy, unnecessary and do more harm than good. Take them all out.
It was already admitted that Bungie had no intentions of moderating their bans, which is why people proven innocent just have to live with them the majority of the time.
When I heard about the mute ban for the first time, which in fact was when Bungie announced that “feature” themselves, I already told people that this simply had to be Bungie’s most gloriously stupid idea ever (I phrased it differently back then).
First of all, you should NEVER give players the ability to impede other people’s ability to communicate. Never! That’s something you simply don’t do. Yet it’s exactly what the mute ban does. Even if it takes 1,000 or even 10,000 different people to mute a certain player before the mute ban kicks in, this still doesn’t mean that this player actually deserves it. Humans have a practically infinite potential to be jerks, especially when under the cover of anonymity like in an online game, and the mute ban in its current form is something that can and does get abused a lot.
I actually know people who will mute other players simply because they can, regardless of what these players said if they said anything at all. When asked why they muted them, they replied with, “because I can.” And a few individuals who are not in my friends list anymore muted other players in the hopes of them getting mute banned because they thought it was funny.
Secondly, even if a player deserves to be mute banned, this decision shouldn’t be made by some people for everyone else. If I don’t want to hear someone, I mute him. For me, and for me only. Not for anyone else. And neither should other players have the power to decide whether I should hear someone or not.
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Everything you said is truth. Thank you!
I got to be honest, in my mind it keeps people in check, some of the things people say are not only agravating, they are flat out offensive and dont even get me started on the people that play music.
If someone conducts themself in this manner repeatedly, they deserve to have their communication ability removed, after all the rest of us have to listen to these players. Frankly, I believe people that send offensive msg’s should have that ability taken away, some of the msg’s I have recieved are of the worst sort and most likely were sent by some young kid who thinks its funny to squeeze in as many racial slurs, curse words and insults within the text.
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That’s why we have mute and block options. When you let people be in charge of bans often times they will be abused, which is why some people who don’t deserve these bans receive them anyways, and people that are always in parties or have no mic at all still receive these bans.
Why do they deserve them when you can decide for yourself who you do and don’t want to listen to?
It’s just a bad idea to have this in the game and most people don’t want it and have abused it tremendously.
Its nothing to do with the game. Its a function of the XBL system as a whole as i understand it.
> Its nothing to do with the game. Its a function of the XBL system as a whole as i understand it.
Nope, the mute ban is specific to Reach.
> I got to be honest, in my mind it keeps people in check, some of the things people say are not only agravating, they are flat out offensive and dont even get me started on the people that play music.
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> If someone conducts themself in this manner repeatedly, they deserve to have their communication ability removed, after all the rest of us have to listen to these players. Frankly, I believe people that send offensive msg’s should have that ability taken away, some of the msg’s I have recieved are of the worst sort and most likely were sent by some young kid who thinks its funny to squeeze in as many racial slurs, curse words and insults within the text.
I agree to some point, but only if this is done on a case-by-case basis where evidence for an individual’s misbehaviour is provided, and not just because someone has been muted a certain number of times. Yet the mute ban kicks in after a certain amount of people muted someone, and it seems like this number isn’t that high.
Unfortunately I don’t know what that number is (I wish I did, for curiosity’s sake). And while I also can’t say if this is actually true, I’ve been told that you not only get mute banned once you reach that number, but that you can be mute banned if you get muted a certain number of times within a given timespan. Especially people playing in the MLG playlist a lot suffer from this, because it seems to be common practice to indiscriminately mute the whole opposing team.
I am mute banned right now and I rarely even say anything in the matchmaking lobby.
Hmm, it seems on further research that XBL does have a mute ban function but bungie did indeed make their own game specific system too. i always though muting someone from the scoreboard was the same as muting them from the profile.
> Hmm, it seems on further research that XBL does have a mute ban function but bungie did indeed make their own game specific system too. i always though muting someone from the scoreboard was the same as muting them from the profile.
Yep, that are two different and independent systems. If you mute players in Reach, you still can hear them in other games. But if you mute them on their profile, you won’t hear them anymore at all. And only muting from the scoreboard (or within Reach) counts towards the mute ban.
May sound stupid but what exactly is a mute ban? My guess is it only mutes you to other players, but I’m not sure if maybe you guys are talking about something that bans you from playing. I’ve been muted for around 3 weeks, so I just want to know how long do they last? do they only apply when playing Reach? and how do they even come about? I’ve asked before on here but have gotten no repsonse from anyone, so any info would be greatly appreciated.
> May sound stupid but what exactly is a mute ban? My guess is it only mutes you to other players, but I’m not sure if maybe you guys are talking about something that bans you from playing. I’ve been muted for around 3 weeks,
That’s a mute ban. When you’re muted by default for everyone you encounter.
> so I just want to know how long do they last?
I don’t think anyone knows.
> do they only apply when playing Reach?
Yes.
> and how do they even come about?
If a ton of people mute you in-game, you get mute banned.
Every single person I have seen mute banned in which I manually unmuted them to see what might be coming over their mic. - I instantly knew why they got mute banned and re-muted them.
> I am mute banned right now and I rarely even say anything in the matchmaking lobby.
Sure…
> Every single person I have seen mute banned in which I manually unmuted them to see what might be coming over their mic. - I instantly knew why they got mute banned and re-muted them.
Almost everyone mute banned I unmute are nice to talk to, in parties, or have no mic at all. There was only about three or so people in a year’s time that may have had music playing. But again, I can manually mute them in that case, there’s no reason to harm innocent players.
Much thanks for the info man.
I mute kids… cuz they’re REALLY annoying
> I mute kids… cuz they’re REALLY annoying
Wait a second. Are you saying you have the ability to mute people YOU personally don’t want to hear?!
HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE! It’s almost like we don’t need the stupid mute ban at all!
I agree. Its an unnecessary function and there was nothing wrong with manually muting players you personally disliked.
The majority of the people I unmute that are mute banned either have no mic, are in party chat or are nice. Only a small number do I personally find actually annoying. What do I do when I find someone annoying? I manually mute them, not have a system to decide for me.
Not everyone is like this because not everyone knows how the system works, they assume those people “deserve” to be muted. When in fact its simply after x amount of people muting you, you get mute banned. No one really knows how long it lasts or how you get unmuted, people believe its simply after x amount of people unmute you.
Take a look at the MLG playlist, each team will mute the other before the games start to prevent the opposing team from hearing them in game, because according to Reach, MLG is a social playlist, thus allowing you to hear the other team in game. After so many MLG games like this, you’re mute banned, or any playlist (other than Arena) the other team is muting you to prevent you from hearing them.
Yes there is an in-game voice option that only enables you to hear your team/party but obviously not everyone is aware of this and it does not make the mute ban any less unnecessary and flawed and it doesn’t stop people from muting you anyway because they don’t know you have this option selected.
Again, there was absolutely nothing wrong with manually muting someone you personally found annoying every once in awhile. What is annoying though is unmuting teammates game after game because of some bogus, unnecessary function because apparently deciding and doing something so simple for yourself was too hard.