Remove:
-The Arena
-Action Sack
-Grifball
-Living Dead
-Squad Slayer
-Multi Team
Add:
-Arena
Arena should include:
-Doubles Slayer
-Classic Slayer
-FFA Slayer
-Team Slayer
-MLG Slayer
-Team SWAT
-Team Snipers
-BTB Slayer
You might be asking why I’ve said to remove all the “fun” playlists but my general rule of thumb is that every social playlist should have an equivalent ranked playlist. If you wouldn’t make a ranked version of a playlist then you shouldn’t make a social version.
If you wanted to play these gametypes you could still do so in custom games. It would bring back the popularity of customs and cut down most of the goofing off in matchmaking.
Incase I have left out any information you can check out the thread I made on bnet. This thread was made a long time ago so please don’t post in it. I’ve decided to bring it here because 343i have taken over and they can now update the playlists.
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=60245119
As soon as i saw “Remove Action Sack” I immediate finished reading your post and was dissapointed. Why have social and ranked playlists that offer the SAME thing. Social should be more social like Action Sack, BTB, Living Dead, Griffball.
What you suggested would make me go back and play Halo 3. Action Sack is the ONLY playlist other than LD that i play that i find enjoyable.
I agree some playlist changes should be made. However there is NO way they are going to get rid of one of the most popular playlists. Living Dead is not going anywhere.
Grifball should not be taken away. Nor Living Dead, nor Multi-Team, nor Action Sack
> Remove:Action Sack, Grifball, and Living Dead
These should be customs gametypes only, but I’m not bothered that they are MM playlists. I simply choose not to play them…
> As soon as i saw “Remove Action Sack” I immediate finished reading your post and was dissapointed. Why have social and ranked playlists that offer the SAME thing. Social should be more social like Action Sack, BTB, Living Dead, Griffball.
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> What you suggested would make me go back and play Halo 3. Action Sack is the ONLY playlist other than LD that i play that i find enjoyable.
Action Sack has all the gametypes that should be played in custom games. Do you really think Haloball and Hockey deserve a place in MM? All you do is run around and chase a ball with a Grav Hammer. In Action Sack you earn the same amount of cR as a MM game and can even get your MM commendations up. This is just wrong.
One set of playlists would be ranked and the other would be social. In social, guests would be allowed. If you wanted to play ranked then you could warm up in the social equivalent and not worry about the stats.
It’s funny that you said it makes you want to go back and play Halo 3 because Halo 3 had more ranked playlists. The problem with Reach is that there is too much focus on social and if we were to remove these playlists then online behaviour would improve (you’d have to be nice to people to get them to join your awesome living dead custom game).
so leave all the normal playlists and take away the fun stuff because you don’t like it?
how does having Action Sack and Grifball as options hurt you? you want to play Snipers, go play team Snipers.
i actually LIKE Action Sack. it’s a good diversion from some straight up Slayer type games. granted, i’m not crazy about Hockey at all and do wish that more of the H3 version of A.S. games like Team Stickies, Team Sumo, etc would make an appearance but i’m not going to wish the whole playlist away because i don’t like it. in that case, let’s get rid of BTB and Team Snipers! 
> so leave all the normal playlists and take away the fun stuff because you don’t like it?
>
> how does having Action Sack and Grifball as options hurt you? you want to play Snipers, go play team Snipers.
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> i actually LIKE Action Sack. it’s a good diversion from some straight up Slayer type games. granted, i’m not crazy about Hockey at all and do wish that more of the H3 version of A.S. games like Team Stickies, Team Sumo, etc would make an appearance but i’m not going to wish the whole playlist away because i don’t like it. in that case, let’s get rid of BTB and Team Snipers!
I never stated which playlists I like or dislike, I just stated which playlists need to be removed and added.
I too think that Action Sack was better in Halo 3, but atleast Bungie realised that these were gametypes taken from customs and treated them as such. You didn’t get exp for playing Action Sack in Halo 3, but in Reach you get cR for it. Why?
For the last point you made I shall repeat that for each social playlist there should be a ranked equivalent. In Halo 3 we had social BTB and social Snipes and ranked BTB and ranked Snipes. In Halo Reach the only ranked we can play is ranked Slayer. If Bungie knows that these gametypes are fit for ranked then why did they not include them in Reach?
I do agree in one way that you should have an arena ranking in all of the competitive playlists. It will be a more accurate representation of skill than just rank
> I do agree in one way that you should have an arena ranking in all of the competitive playlists. It will be a more accurate representation of skill than just rank
Exactly. Arena divisions are hidden away and cR rank is visible throughout all playlists. There needs to be more emphasis on actual rank.
Removal of the ‘fun’ playlists are a joke, you are just trying to turn Reach into a competitive joke.
I agree with only the following and you probably didn’t even post this.
Ranked Team Slayer
Social Team Slayer
Ranked Objective
Social Objective
Ranked FFA
Social FFA
Ranked SWAT
Ranked Snipers
And leave the rest, nothing should be removed because you think everything should have a ranked/social counterpart.
Reach isn’t just competitive, it’s for social gamers to.
Multi-Team is my favorite…
> Removal of the ‘fun’ playlists are a joke, you are just trying to turn Reach into a competitive joke.
>
> I agree with only the following and you probably didn’t even post this.
>
> Ranked Team Slayer
> Social Team Slayer
> Ranked Objective
> Social Objective
> Ranked FFA
> Social FFA
> Ranked SWAT
> Ranked Snipers
>
> And leave the rest, nothing should be removed because you think everything should have a ranked/social counterpart.
>
> Reach isn’t just competitive, it’s for social gamers to.
The reason why I’ve said to remove some playlists is because the more playlists you add the more the population is divided. The removal of the playlists would insure that there can be enough players to make the rest viable. The playlists I’ve said to remove contain gametypes which were traditionally played in custom games.
> > Removal of the ‘fun’ playlists are a joke, you are just trying to turn Reach into a competitive joke.
> >
> > I agree with only the following and you probably didn’t even post this.
> >
> > Ranked Team Slayer
> > Social Team Slayer
> > Ranked Objective
> > Social Objective
> > Ranked FFA
> > Social FFA
> > Ranked SWAT
> > Ranked Snipers
> >
> > And leave the rest, nothing should be removed because you think everything should have a ranked/social counterpart.
> >
> > Reach isn’t just competitive, it’s for social gamers to.
>
> The reason why I’ve said to remove some playlists is because the more playlists you add the more the population is divided. The removal of the playlists would insure that there can be enough players to make the rest viable. The playlists I’ve said to remove contain gametypes which were traditionally played in custom games.
Wait, so under this context, you can play Slayer in Custom Games, lets remove it!
No, just no.
Leave the ‘fun’ playlists as they are, I prefer having a split population that being forced to find people to play something I could play in a few seconds with Matchmaking.
> > > Removal of the ‘fun’ playlists are a joke, you are just trying to turn Reach into a competitive joke.
> > >
> > > I agree with only the following and you probably didn’t even post this.
> > >
> > > Ranked Team Slayer
> > > Social Team Slayer
> > > Ranked Objective
> > > Social Objective
> > > Ranked FFA
> > > Social FFA
> > > Ranked SWAT
> > > Ranked Snipers
> > >
> > > And leave the rest, nothing should be removed because you think everything should have a ranked/social counterpart.
> > >
> > > Reach isn’t just competitive, it’s for social gamers to.
> >
> > The reason why I’ve said to remove some playlists is because the more playlists you add the more the population is divided. The removal of the playlists would insure that there can be enough players to make the rest viable. The playlists I’ve said to remove contain gametypes which were traditionally played in custom games.
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> Wait, so under this context, you can play Slayer in Custom Games, lets remove it!
>
> No, just no.
>
> Leave the ‘fun’ playlists as they are, I prefer having a split population that being forced to find people to play something I could play in a few seconds with Matchmaking.
That’s where my rule comes in.
You would prefer the longer search times to match against random people over XBL than to invite a lobby of online friends to play customs? If you remember Halo 2 you’d know that zombies could only be played in customs and yet there was no problem with MM population.