Maybe play the game a few more hours and see if it is stil a problem.
I’ve been playing Halo for many many years, I can assure you my skill or ability isn’t the problem especially when I’m basically top half of the leaderboard for the majority of matches. We’ve been matched against eachother before, my ability wasn’t in question then was it?
If players are finding a aspect of the game frustrating that generally means that they don’t like it or consider it to be…bad. If something is negatively impacting players experiences then it should be changed or removed - now it’s been done.
Thing is, we’re only hearing a vocal minority on the forums & platforms. Most people wont even notice it at all and continue playing the game.
Quite frankly the forums don’t exactly represent the average players wants or needs, like it or not we are very much a small fraction of Halo’s playerbase , the people who want to talk about the game with others BUT how many people just play games and don’t even think about going online to a forum or another platform, the answer to that is a very large chunk.
With that in mind it’s hard to make a compelling argument that bringing player collision back would positively impact the game for the vast majority of players. People want to play and have fun, not get blocked, pushed and killed by random people on their team.
Best middle ground - custom game option. If you want it, use it there. As far as I’m concerned it should be kept out of social matchmaking, ranked I can consider having it in due to the idea that ranked is a very different environment
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I’m not even going to write a whole big paragraph of why it needs to return.
Bring it back please.
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I don’t mind no FF or collision in social but I think there should be in ranked
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I wish we had player collision and damage. It seems to me most frustrations come from intentional damage from A-hole teammates trolling, or “getting revenge” or steeling weapons. Would be cool if 343 had a way to include friendly fire when an enemy is within view or proximity of a grenade only. That way good teamwork and not spraying bullets or spamming grenades is rewarded in gunplay. But, if you are alone, or holding a good position away from enemies at the moment you are invulnerable to trolling teammates.
An alternative to this, if your grenade or bullet or melay damages a teammate it brings you to no shields, maybe even for the duration of that life, that would quickly put a stop to trolling or A-hole behavior and further incentivize good teamwork and gunplay.
I’m not here to comment on your personal playing ability, that’s between you and the other user you’re going back and forth with.
However, there’s a flaw in your logic when it comes to the vocal minority argument. You say that most people who play the game don’t think to comment on message boards, which for the record I completely agree with. However, you then go on to say that due to this, it’s hard to make a compelling argument that bringing it back would positively affect most people because we don’t know their opinions. While this is also true, the same can be said for making a compelling argument that taking it out benefitted those said players. The problem here is that while we are the vocal minority no matter which position we hold, we’re the only opinions we have to go off of. We can’t just assume how people who don’t comment feel one way or another. The fact is we can only turn to those who are voicing their opinions and the majority of people voicing those opinions across several platforms are in favor of bringing it back.
You writing “ People want to play and have fun, not get blocked, pushed and killed by random people on their team” is putting your own words and thoughts on the matter into the mouths of those who haven’t spoken for themselves, as you already pointed out in your comment.
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I can’t believe these baby players are really wanting a core part of halo physics to be gone. Yall know this affects custom games heavily so far as we know?
Majority of custom game browser on mcc depends on player collision.
Despite that, doesn’t every game in the market still have player collision? Is this the “innovation” design you guys were wanting?
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Do you believe it should be gone from every game then?
With the same reasoning, though, it’s equally hard to make a compelling argument that the removal of collision would positively impact the game for the vast majority of players. In the last sentence, you’re more or less projecting your own preferences onto the silent majority.
I’m also skeptical of the framing of the issue. Like, obviously if you ask anyone “do you find it annoying to get blocked by another player?” of course anyone is going to say yes. But concluding that we should remove player collision based on that is short sighted. Its benefits to the experience are much more abstract, and may not even be apparent in the moment, like I argued in my previous post.
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Before playing Infinite I never would have advocated actively to have player collision removed. That being said, never once during the flights did I think “man, this would be a lot more fun if I could just run into my teammates.”
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Nop, is it split.
Playing Warzone is a pain to collide with a partner just 'cause he don’t know how to move when is taking fire, or a frag granade is dropped by enemy and he get stucked with me. I like how free is the movement now.
The friendly fire disable is a good thing and that give me more space just to not deal with trolls or bad players (I mean, the dudes that bretrays you, not the ones who still don’t learn the mechanics or how to play).
The thing about “is part of the gig” make me… idk, get sad. “We can be as bad as we want, make fun of a new player o those ones who get kicked just 'cause we can, just 'cause is ‘been part of Halo since forever’. So I’m gonna bully everyone with t-bag, dropping mates to the void or whatever just 'cause I can and now 343i toocked from me, I’m gonna whim”.
I truly don’t get it. Maybe for some custome games, but by playing online, I think is the right choise. Don’t think that if you like it, it’s good for the community or the game.
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Bring back FF and player colission. I, as everybody else, wants to play Halo, not a dumbed down shooter like many others from this genre. This braindead change is another one that screws the overall atmosphere of the game. Another big annoying thing is how the game also lacks in the general effects of games, compare explosions of 3 vs Infinite of vehicles or nades. There is a reason after all why the OG trilogy games are the most played while 4 and Guardians have a very low pop count due to various gameplay changes such as these,or as an extra, the lack of blood and body physics of dead foes.
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Exactly. I’m with you.
Player collision and friendly fire are core to Halo. The lack of player collision breaks immersion and is just as annoying as bumping into teammates. The lack of friendly fire rewards bad plays.
It’s funny, a lot of the things they called out as split are not split between the playerbase but split between the players and the mp designers.
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I personally am not really conflicted on player collision. I wouldn’t mind if it came back, but I don’t mind that it’s gone. I think if friendly fire were to come back, player collsion would need to come with it. Friendly fire without player collision could result in players standing inside each other and thinking they could shoot safely but accidentally hurting their teammate.
tl;dr dont really care lol
I’m sorry but being rude will not get your point across any better than it did previously. It’s okay for people to have differing opinions and I’m certainly not going to run my thoughts by people like you everytime I have something to say.
You aren’t running the show. 343 is. So quit being a bully.
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So you have the data 343 has?
I don’t recall. Top half of a BTB leaderboard isn’t that impressive.
People don’t like making mistakes, or getting their -Yoink!- kicked either. Does that mean people should never lose too? No. Nevermind the fact basically nobody was asking for a removal of FF or Player Colision.
The sole benefit this has had was making it easier when it didn’t need to be.
Then stop acting like a toddler throwing a tantrum?
1 thing this thread demonstrates is that you are wrong. Plenty of people are fine with lack of player collision and/or even prefer it. Insinuating that everyone that disagrees with you is just bad at the game really doesn’t help your case either.
Yes, they omitted player collision because you joked about it it. Not because testing and surveys indicated that this was a good idea.
He wasn’t refuting the circumstances that caused collision to be removed.