Pillar of Autumn vs. NCC 1701-D

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In direct response to this:

> Wish people would stop putting Halo stuff against Starwars stuff. It’s either going to end with “Lol UNSC/Covenant get stomped” or “LMAO Forerunners ROFLSTOMP”. Be a little more creative peoples, there’s other sci fi series out there. It’s not just <mark>Halo, Starwars, and Mass Effect</mark> ya know.

I’m asking what if the Pillar of Autumn were up against the Star ship Enterprise NCC 1701-D from The Next Generation?

The Enterprise is slightly smaller, but their overall dimensions are nigh comparable; vastly different.

No Long or Broadswords, no shuttles, just ship against ship. Captain Keyes vs. Captain Picard.

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Doesn’t it have extremely powerful beams and maneuverability?

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> Doesn’t it have extremely powerful beams and maneuverability?

And shields that survive hits from double digit megaton anti-matter torpedos…

@MrMartini85

I guess I should have included Star Trek in there as well, I didn’t really think someone would actually take that comment to heart.

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> > Doesn’t it have extremely powerful beams and maneuverability?
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> And shields that survive hits from double digit megaton anti-matter torpedos…
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> @MrMartini85
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> I guess I should have included Star Trek in there as well, I didn’t really think someone would actually take that comment to heart.

HA HA! Yeah … I find the “Halo Vs. _____” to be ridiculous as well. Although I thought the AT-AT vs. Scarab thing was a good question (and not my own, BTW).
I always joke that once they run out of ideas we’ll start seeing “Halo vs. Fraggle Rock” “Spartans vs. Power Rangers” “Ewoks vs. Grunts”, ect.

Although now that I think about it, Ewoks vs. Grunts would be interesting to see what people come up with.

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> > > Doesn’t it have extremely powerful beams and maneuverability?
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> > And shields that survive hits from double digit megaton anti-matter torpedos…
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> > @MrMartini85
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> > I guess I should have included Star Trek in there as well, I didn’t really think someone would actually take that comment to heart.
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> HA HA! Yeah … I find the “Halo Vs. _____” to be ridiculous as well. Although I thought the AT-AT vs. Scarab thing was a good question (and not my own, BTW).
> I always joke that once they run out of ideas we’ll start seeing “Halo vs. Fraggle Rock” “Spartans vs. Power Rangers” “Ewoks vs. Grunts”, ect.
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> Although now that I think about it, <mark>Ewoks vs. Grunts</mark> would be interesting to see what people come up with.

Grunts would win :slight_smile:

EDIT: The Enterprise would win.

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I’ve done an in depth study of both Haloverse tech and Trek tech for nearly a year to help me write a crossover between the two. (Yeah, I’m a geek)

Halo: Reach retconed the calcs for MACs, and thus Titanium A’s strength/heat resistance. Otherwise this would have been a stomp for PoA.

Pillar of Autumn:

Length: 1.17km

Power source: Triple fusion reactor. (One primary, Two secondary)

Weapons: 1 modified MAC (triple fire capability) fitted with shredder rounds (64 kiloton max kinetic yield)
Unknown number of Shiva nukes (Unknown yield)
3 Havok nukes (30 megatons each)
300 Archer missile pods (Chemical explosive warhead)
40 50mm point defense guns

Defenses: 2 meters of Titanium A, no shields.

Sub-light Propulsion: Fusion engines, actual speed debatable, but less than .1c

FTL: Shaw/Fujikawa Translight engine. Approximately 2-3 light years per day.

Sensors: Radar, Spectroscopes

Note: Weapons can be controlled by a ship Smart AI, namely Cortana.

NCC-1701-D
USS Enterprise

Length: 641 meters

Power source(s): Matter/antimatter reactor, output in excess of 12.75 million gigawatts. Secondary sources include more than three fusion reactors.

Weapons: 12 Type X Phaser arrays(particle beams). Actual output of these arrays is hotly debated, but several quotes from the show have them at a minimum of 60 Gigawatts for one array. (Output is variable)

250 Photon (anti-matter warhead) torpedoes in rapid fire launchers(up to ten at a time) Actual yield is also debated, but generally accepted to be mid-double digit megatons. Yield is variable and the torpedoes are shielded and guided.

Defenses: Shield grid whose strength is at the mercy of the plot, but has been witnessed to sit in the corona of stars for several hours before failing. (Also included the Navigational deflectors, which deflect physical objects at high impulse and warps speeds)

Sub-light Propulsion: Impulse engines (speed is varied, but generally around .25 light speed)

FTL: Warp Drive, roughly the speed of PoA slipspace drive, but has witnessed to be much faster and slower due to plot inconsistencies.

Sensors: Various, but all of which operate at FTL speeds and can scan light years around itself in real time. Same goes with communication.

Note: Ent-D can separate into saucer and star-drive sections, both using their own weapon systems independently. It also has transporter abilities, but since this is ship to ship only, they are not used for boarding the PoA. (Master Chief vs. the pajama boys, oh lord…)

Conclusion: Without shields, the PoA would likely get gutted by phaser fire and photon torpedoes. However, if the Ent-D shields are vulnerable to the MAC rounds, then Enterprise might get gutted if Picard is stupid enough to put his ship at the front end of the PoA.

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> Halo: Reach retconed the calcs for MACs, and thus Titanium A’s strength/heat resistance. Otherwise this would have been a stomp for PoA.

Could you elaborate on this, because I really don’t see how old canon PoA would have stomped? Even in the first three novels MACs were only 64 kiloton. How would the PoA have stomped with that pitiful a weapon?

> then Enterprise might get gutted if Picard is stupid enough to put his ship at the front end of the PoA.

Picard is no idiot, and Star Trek battles happen at extremely long distances (photon torpedos are FTL iirc).

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> > Halo: Reach retconed the calcs for MACs, and thus Titanium A’s strength/heat resistance. Otherwise this would have been a stomp for PoA.
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> Could you elaborate on this, because I really don’t see how old canon PoA would have stomped? Even in the first three novels MACs were only 64 kiloton. How would the PoA have stomped with that pitiful a weapon?
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> > then Enterprise might get gutted if Picard is stupid enough to put his ship at the front end of the PoA.
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> Picard is no idiot, and Star Trek battles happen at extremely long distances (photon torpedos are FTL iirc).
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> Lol’d at Master Chief vs Pajama boys. It’d be a real bad day for the red shirts, though I guess their used to it.

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> Halo: Reach retconed the calcs for MACs, and thus Titanium A’s strength/heat resistance. Otherwise this would have been a stomp for PoA.
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> Could you elaborate on this, because I really don’t see how old canon PoA would have stomped? Even in the first three novels MACs were only 64 kiloton. How would the PoA have stomped with that pitiful a weapon?
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> Picard is no idiot, and Star Trek battles happen at extremely long distances (photon torpedos are FTL iirc).

I’m a huge Star Trek fan/geek and I’ll be the first to tell you that Photons only go FTL when the ship is FTL, otherwise, they’re sub-light.

And no, Trek battles rarely happen at long ranges. They nearly always happen at spitting distance. (For visual effects obviously). However, they can fire Phasers up to 300,000km (USS Phoenix, TNG era)

For the pre-Reach calcs, those came from the Halo Encyclopedia, which, at the time, was the newest source for the calcs. They had them at multi-Gigaton level for ship based MACs and Teratons for SMACs. This is absolutely ridiculous for a fusion powered ship this small, which is why it was retconned.

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I had the NCC-1701-D blueprint book as a kid in the early/mid 90s … it detailed the ship deck by deck to the extent of having every private quarters and maintenance rooms. It was a bit over my head at the time (weapons & engine specs, etc.) but I wish they had something that elaborate for the Autumn (or Infinity).

I also as a kid had a Halloween costume of the red and black Next Generation uniform with a proper pin-on metal insignia from Paramount that I was so proud of, and I stitched 3 gold buttons on the collar for the rank “Commander”; it was a one-piece deal with a zipper up the back that I wore not only for Halloween but as pajamas and wear-around-the-house-on-rainy-days attire.

Nerd Pride!

The Enterprise would win, btw, but probably be damaged beyond repair. Mac round would destroy the body, the saucer disconnects, swings around the Autumn, takes the shields down with phasers, then photon torpedoes the engines. (does it have photon torpedoes on the saucer? I lost my book.)

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> I had the NCC-1701-D blueprint book as a kid in the early/mid 90s … it detailed the ship deck by deck to the extent of having every private quarters and maintenance rooms. It was a bit over my head at the time (weapons & engine specs, etc.) but I wish they had something that elaborate for the Autumn (or Infinity).
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> I also as a kid had a Halloween costume of the red and black Next Generation uniform with a proper pin-on metal insignia from Paramount that I was so proud of, and I stitched 3 gold buttons on the collar for the rank “Commander”; it was a one-piece deal with a zipper up the back that I wore not only for Halloween but as pajamas and wear-around-the-house-on-rainy-days attire.
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> Nerd Pride!

Nice…

> The Enterprise would win, btw, but probably be damaged beyond repair. Mac round would destroy the body, the saucer disconnects, swings around the Autumn, takes the shields down with phasers, then photon torpedoes the engines. (does it have photon torpedoes on the saucer? I lost my book.)

PoA didn’t have shields, Infinity was the first ship to receive them sometime between Halo 3 and Halo 4.

MAC rounds are unguided, so it depends on the PoA’s position when the battle begins.

No, the saucer doesn’t have Pho-torps, just two main phaser arrays.

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For something more visual, this is my first ever Halo scale chart and is relevant to this discussion:

Pillar of Autumn vs. Enterprise-D (to scale)

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^ Very Nice.

Puts into perspective that size isn’t everything.