I finally got the phaeton the other day and got excited so naturally I tried them out. Now I had already heard the horror stories but I just assumed most of those were from players who spawned them in without any thought what so ever.
No. Wrong.
The banshee is stronger then the phaeton by miles in both damage and armor.
Why is it a level 8 and the banshee only 6?
The phaetons main cannon takes awhile to speed up like the suppressor and seems to actually be possible to outrun the pellets, the “missles” are slow and don’t seem to have a very wide blast radius but I’m not sure on their damage I took out a tank in one burst but it was already on fire, and to top it off this thing drops faster then a mongoose.
I’m sorry what? I just don’t understand why something that’s that far up the req pole is so freakin weak.
I know 343 wanted the normal vehicles to be weaker so that the upgraded versions were more saught after but were in a predicament that suppressor is currently in, it has no freakin upgraded versions. The storm rifle is finally getting its upgraded versions, the carbine got its upgrades not to long ago as well. I assume we need more skins for all them UNSC vehicles though right? definitely need some legendary scout hogs to take up space.
I feel cheated :C
Mantis seems to fall under this category as well. its like, if its not ONI variant, its worthless.
maybe we will get a new mythic req of an oni phaeton lmao
I think phaeton is fine, never unlocked it, but ive used it in customs, etc, and it was good, and i did good WITH IT. I think you just need to practice using it, when being fired, warp away, and the pellets you gotta lead, they are slower unlike plasma canons, so its sorta like the halo 3 br, just lead your shots, and those missles are anti armor, unless there is a group of infantry.
Best of luck spartan Shiren
The phaeton is stronger than the banshee. I played with my friend in forge and I beat 3 of his banshees with 1 phaeton. The other way around, he beat 2 of my banshees before k I finally killed him. You just need to know how to use it.
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> The phaeton is stronger than the banshee. I played with my friend in forge and I beat 3 of his banshees with 1 phaeton. The other way around, he beat 2 of my banshees before k I finally killed him. You just need to know how to use it.
I feel like he just sucked with banshees. I got stompped by the banshee and I was darting around and smashing its teeth in. just couldn’t kill it.
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> maybe we will get a new mythic req of an oni phaeton lmao
That would be fun.
Its all about how you use it, you cannot use the Phaeton like a banshee, it doesn’t work. But if you use it as an artillery weapon, keep your distance to make it less likely a tank or Spartan laser can hit you, aim for the bases, choke points or tanks you can rack up points. Its a support vehicle not an assault vehicle like the banshee.
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> Its all about how you use it, you cannot use the Phaeton like a banshee, it doesn’t work. But if you use it as an artillery weapon, keep your distance to make it less likely a tank or Spartan laser can hit you, aim for the bases, choke points or tanks you can rack up points. Its a support vehicle not an assault vehicle like the banshee.
Ok see that’s the problem then. Same with the mantis. Higher reqs then some of the big heavy hitters, but are freakin support vehicles!? shouldn’t it be, oh I don’t know, the other way around? That is literal backwards.
Not really, yes its a support vehicle, but why does that mean it had to be easier to get than the assault vehicles? by that logic the ghost should be a level 9 req for being a high speed assault vehicle.
I Phaeton or Mantis in the right place can control a section of the map by its self, your not gonna use it to take a base, but you can use it to keep the enemy from preventing your team from taking it.
I’ve had a Phaeton once in warzone, and I got 20 kills with it before the game ended. Several of the kills were tanks and banshees.
Bringing a mantis into the front lines of combat is like bringing a sniper rifle into the front lines of combat. Its a bad idea.
And a side note, Shotgun Req 3, Sniper Req 6.
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> Not really, yes its a support vehicle, but why does that mean it had to be easier to get than the assault vehicles? by that logic the ghost should be a level 9 req for being a high speed assault vehicle.
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> I Phaeton or Mantis in the right place can control a section of the map by its self, your not gonna use it to take a base, but you can use it to keep the enemy pinned, stopping them while your team from taking it.
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> I’ve had a Phaeton once in warzone, and I got 20 kills with it before the game ended. Several of the kills were tanks and banshees.
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> Bringing a mantis into the front lines of combat is like bringing a sniper rifle into the front lines of combat. Its a bad idea.
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> And a side note, Shotgun Req 3, Sniper Req 6.
Thought I hit edit, not quote, sorry for double post.
Enough Phaeton discussion; let’s talk about how the Oni-Hog is only a REQ 3…
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> Enough Phaeton discussion; let’s talk about how the Oni-Hog is only a REQ 3…
Shhhh or they will fix it!
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> Not really, yes its a support vehicle, but why does that mean it had to be easier to get than the assault vehicles? by that logic the ghost should be a level 9 req for being a high speed assault vehicle.
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> I Phaeton or Mantis in the right place can control a section of the map by its self, your not gonna use it to take a base, but you can use it to keep the enemy from preventing your team from taking it.
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> I’ve had a Phaeton once in warzone, and I got 20 kills with it before the game ended. Several of the kills were tanks and banshees.
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> Bringing a mantis into the front lines of combat is like bringing a sniper rifle into the front lines of combat. Its a bad idea.
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> And a side note, Shotgun Req 3, Sniper Req 6.
“balance” heard of it? the shotgun requires close range to kill, the sniper requires more skill and proper aiming but is much much safer. Comparing two completely different weapons and that doesn’t work. I personally don’t feel a support vehicle should be more then a heavy assault vehicle. to me its backwards logic.
I agree with you OP. The Pheaton is pretty weak. But it’s a VTOL vehicle. You’re supposed to stay low and use it for hit and run situations. It’s more of an assistance vehicle where your stick around your teammates and pick off enemies or drop their shields for your team to clean up. Not much more sadly. But then again, it serves the same purpose as its predecessors being the Hornet and Falcon. Albeit with waaaay less firepower.
I personally HATE the Pheaton that thing is cumbersome and can get killed by a single railgun shot or a few BR shots. A base banshee can shrug off at least two or three railshots. And it’s harder to bail from a Phaeton too. I tend to stay away from them, and the Sword Varients of Covenant vehicles. (Says they have upgraded armor but blow up faster than the base varients at least in my experience.) it’s only good to use the Pheaton in situations where enemies do not have a hold of good power weapons.
And to those saying the OP needs to learn how to use it, I’m sure that’s not the case. It’s a power vehicle that has disadvantages in “Warzone”. In customs, sure. You can get away with fewer people, less power weapons, and less cramped space. Warzone is a different beast entirely and that’s what we’re trying to discuss. Try using the Pheaton in WZ where everyone has a power weapon and the enemy count is doubled with maps that are not air vehicle friendly, not fun.
Edit. I hate the Mantis too. Including the ONI varient. XD
Once killed a Phaeton on Stormbreak by hitting it with a PP’s EMP and it fell into the kill boundary off the side of the fortress and blew up instantly.
That’s the last time I’ve killed a Phaeton besides the AI phaetons in WZ, people rarely use them and when they do I never see them last long in a match. I look up and I’ll be like “Oh, wow someone has a phaeton already?” Then go about my business, aware someone’s at 8 reqs, afterwards I either see it destroyed shortly after or I never see it again. High value reqs are usually a high value target, especially ones as weak as the phaeton and aerial vehicles. They get shredded as soon as someone gets the idea in their head about ranking up that phaeton kill commendation.
Yeah I think they didn’t want to make it overpowered
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> > Not really, yes its a support vehicle, but why does that mean it had to be easier to get than the assault vehicles? by that logic the ghost should be a level 9 req for being a high speed assault vehicle.
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> > I Phaeton or Mantis in the right place can control a section of the map by its self, your not gonna use it to take a base, but you can use it to keep the enemy from preventing your team from taking it.
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> > I’ve had a Phaeton once in warzone, and I got 20 kills with it before the game ended. Several of the kills were tanks and banshees.
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> > Bringing a mantis into the front lines of combat is like bringing a sniper rifle into the front lines of combat. Its a bad idea.
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> > And a side note, Shotgun Req 3, Sniper Req 6.
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> “balance” heard of it? the shotgun requires close range to kill, the sniper requires more skill and proper aiming but is much much safer. Comparing two completely different weapons and that doesn’t work. I personally don’t feel a support vehicle should be more then a heavy assault vehicle. to me its backwards logic.
Balance is the key, the banshee is always moving, making it harder to get a prefect shot because you have to adjust for your movement, you cant take your time as much, strafe runs are either short or your risking getting to close to the enemy.
Phaeton doesn’t that this issue, hang back, up high not moving, and fire, switch between weapons to bomb the target, or mow down targets, you run less risk of being boarded because you have no reason to get close to the ground. Balance would demand the vehicle be easier to take down because of this. If your use it knowing its weakness and harnessing its strengths you can do a lot of damage.
But if your expecting a flying tank its not gonna work.
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> > The phaeton is stronger than the banshee. I played with my friend in forge and I beat 3 of his banshees with 1 phaeton. The other way around, he beat 2 of my banshees before k I finally killed him. You just need to know how to use it.
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> I feel like he just sucked with banshees. I got stompped by the banshee and I was darting around and smashing its teeth in. just couldn’t kill it.
Must’ve been baron 'sroam that was piloting that banshee…
The banshee has better maneuverability and speed. The phaeton has better armor and firepower.
How do I engage the secondary pulse missile launcher? I’ve done pretty good with the phaeton, but even practicing in forge, I can’t figure out the missile launcher… Please advise.
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> The phaeton is stronger than the banshee. I played with my friend in forge and I beat 3 of his banshees with 1 phaeton. The other way around, he beat 2 of my banshees before k I finally killed him. You just need to know how to use it.
Well it depends on which Banshee, and how good the pilots are.
The Banshee can continually flip out of the way, which makes it very hard to hit. And the Temple Banshee and the Ultra would beat the Phaeton, as they can continually fire fuel rods whilst flipping everywhere.
The Phaeton has some great firepower, but it’s weapons have a cooldown. If you miss, then you have to wait. You can dodge, but there’s a cooldown on that too. So for air to air, I’d say the Banshee wins. Well at least the Ultra and Temple do, not so sure about the lower ones as they have a cooldown on their weapons.