Sorry for the delay in making this thread for i have been rather busy. ANYWAY as im sure by now most of you realize 343 has sort of hinted at there not being a halo 4 beta. I realize they have not directly said " no halo 4 beta" but in the interview his words pretty much said in a nice way “no halo 4 beta.” If this is new information and you would like to see the video just ask and i will link it.
Getting at the main point of this thread, i am simply asking you to post a reply with your GT or your name on here as a “signature” if you will supporting the want of a halo 4 beta. Before it floods with “its never gona happen” posts i would like you guys to understand that im aware that this is asking alot from 343 and that it probably WON’T happen. BUT i have faith because us as a community has done great things in the past, such as getting the halo 3 beta extended so long ago.
As for my wanting of the beta i have a few reasons:
FEEDBACK: Everyone knows that getting feedback from the community is always productive and helpful to make a great game. But why not just give us pictures? Why not show some videos? shouldn’t those be good enough? WRONG! While having any look at a new game is nice the videos and pictures can be very “controlled” if you will, 343 chooses what we can see and in this way they could make certain aspects of the game look GOOD when in actuality it could be something the community would DISLIKE.
I am not saying 343 will do this but it is something that can happen and id rather it not.
PT2: Another thing to consider along the lines of feedback is the kind of feedback. its a FACT that the information you can get from a beta you can ONLY get from a beta. I believe the info you could get from a beta would be far more helpful in the long run then any other feedback source.
HYPE: this is pretty much self explanitory, publicity is good for a game movie etc. allowing us to play the game early for even a month is going to make us crave for more then any video or teaser trailer ever could. Besides if you have looked around the forums lately alot of people are having 2nd thoughts about halo 4 due to sprint (return of AA’s) “perks” and other such things making it feel like halo4 will just be another “reach” Letting us play a beta will get rid of rumors and give us a good idea of what we are paying for and honestly sales or not you should be up front with your community lying to us to get our money is only going to harm you.
FUN: This is the last one but obviously just as importent. halo is fun always has been and should always be. betas are fun, and i for one would be willing to wait an extra month or 2 for release if that means we get a beta.
So i guess a TLDR: this is a signature forum to support the bringing of a halo 4 beta. i hope you guys will support!
thanks for sticking around and reading ^^
I don’t care if there’s no beta. A beta is for large scale bug testing, not a demo so fans can get their greasy hands on the game early. A beta takes huge amounts of resources anyway, I’d rather they put them into developing the game.
For the record, nobody has officially stated that there will not be a beta. Frankie and Kiki Wolfkill have hinted that most likely there won’t be one, but nobody has come out and said that there will absolutely be no beta.
> I don’t care if there’s no beta. A beta is for large scale bug testing, not a demo so fans can get their greasy hands on the game early. A beta takes huge amounts of resources anyway, I’d rather they put them into developing the game.
they have been working on halo 4 since halo 3. if they can give us good footage of 2 complete maps non blocky characters and smooth gameplay it shouldn’t/wouldn’t take much time or effort to throw together a beta
> For the record, nobody has officially stated that there will not be a beta. Frankie and Kiki Wolfkill have hinted that most likely there won’t be one, but nobody has come out and said that there will absolutely be no beta.
If you read my post i had already stated that they haven’t officially stated there will be no beta. this post was un needed.
> > I don’t care if there’s no beta. A beta is for large scale bug testing, not a demo so fans can get their greasy hands on the game early. A beta takes huge amounts of resources anyway, I’d rather they put them into developing the game.
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> they have been working on halo 4 since halo 3. if they can give us good footage of 2 complete maps non blocky characters and smooth gameplay it shouldn’t/wouldn’t take much time or effort to throw together a beta
Actually it takes quite an effort to get a beta together. Think of it as going to school. It’s much easier and less stressful to take 4 classes rather than 5 or 6. You stay more focus when you aren’t working on as much. If they made a beta they would have to worry about too many things. Not only creating the beta but watching over it. They just need to focus on making the game as awesome as possible.
> My Thoughts. We don’t need a widespread public beta and they end up doing more bad than good.
Exactly how did having a beta for halo 3 end up hurting the full game in the long run? I can understand peoples doubts after what happened with reach. But that was bungie this is 343 they already made a smart decision when they remade halo 1. Maybe they can take a beta for halo 4 and listen to the right people this time?
i trust there judgment but i still think a beta would be helpful.
I see your reasoning, but I don’t think that a beta would be a good idea. All it would do is extend the Halo 4 release date, and the real reason people want a beta is so that they can play Halo 4 early, not giving feedback and making Halo 4 the best it can be. And there will always be things that the community doesn’t like, you just can’t argue that. No game is ever perfect but that seems to be the standard that the community is setting for 343i.
> > > I don’t care if there’s no beta. A beta is for large scale bug testing, not a demo so fans can get their greasy hands on the game early. A beta takes huge amounts of resources anyway, I’d rather they put them into developing the game.
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> > they have been working on halo 4 since halo 3. if they can give us good footage of 2 complete maps non blocky characters and smooth gameplay it shouldn’t/wouldn’t take much time or effort to throw together a beta
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> Actually it takes quite an effort to get a beta together. Think of it as going to school. It’s much easier and less stressful to take 4 classes rather than 5 or 6. You stay more focus when you aren’t working on as much. If they made a beta they would have to worry about too many things. Not only creating the beta but watching over it. They just need to focus on making the game as awesome as possible.
I see your point. How ever i don’t agree, my brother goes to a school for game design while hes not as talented or experienced as 343 or bungie he understands a majority of how its done. And considering the time frame they have had for halo 4 im sure they have more then enough time to open and watch a beta. The only reason why the game should take any longer is if there currently scrapping ideas considering the game comes out around fall ish i doubt this is the case.
its probably de bugging or ZB time and that only takes 2-3 months. standerdly.
> > My Thoughts. We don’t need a widespread public beta and they end up doing more bad than good.
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> <mark>Exactly how did having a beta for halo 3 end up hurting the full game</mark> in the long run? I can understand peoples doubts after what happened with reach. But that was bungie this is 343 they already made a smart decision when they remade halo 1. Maybe they can take a beta for halo 4 and listen to the right people this time?
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> i trust there judgment but i still think a beta would be helpful.
Apparently you didn’t pay attention to the video. I only gave one example which was the tripmine. Not going to explain as I explain in the video. Their was also the awesome perfect spikers that got nerfed. Besides that nothing else was really done. Theirfor it was more like a demo.
Also as stated in the video… With the way Halo games are made now adays betas aren’t needed. Halo can get a big update a few weeks after the game releases without even using a patch. So quick tweaks can be made. Like I said the main reason people want a beta is to play the game early. Only about 1% actually wants a beta so the game is tested and only about .2% of those people report bugs. And those people don’t have to worry as the game is very easily fixable/changeable now adays.
We don’t need a beta and we’re not going to get one. 343 is focus on polishing their game. They want everything to feel like a fresh surprise when we get our hands on the full product.
A beta could also ruin 343. Some people don’t realize that Betas aren’t final products and may get the wrong idea and blame everything on 343 and not buy the actual game.
> I see your reasoning, but I don’t think that a beta would be a good idea. All it would do is extend the Halo 4 release date, and the real reason people want a beta is so that they can play Halo 4 early, not giving feedback and making Halo 4 the best it can be. And there will always be things that the community doesn’t like, you just can’t argue that. No game is ever perfect but that seems to be the standard that the community is setting for 343i.
I wouldn’t mind it taking a few months longer if that means we get a beta. One reason why i think COD fails over halo is because COD wants the game out asap to feed the fans because they are getting bored of the current title.
HALO takes longer to make and has betas to make it longer but the game much much better. more replay-ability SO considering there will be a halo 5 and 6 (remember triligy) if we go with the mentality “get the game out asap” i really believe we would be falling into the cod routine wich will end up giving us sub par halo games.
I can guarantee that there won’t be a Beta, too many resources/ time would be taken up, which 343 want to spend on bug fixing and polishing.
Also the risk of a community outlash on the forums, leading to a hype drop could be an attributing factor, especially after the migration of the more “spirited” users from Bungie.net
> > > > I don’t care if there’s no beta. A beta is for large scale bug testing, not a demo so fans can get their greasy hands on the game early. A beta takes huge amounts of resources anyway, I’d rather they put them into developing the game.
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> > > they have been working on halo 4 since halo 3. if they can give us good footage of 2 complete maps non blocky characters and smooth gameplay it shouldn’t/wouldn’t take much time or effort to throw together a beta
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> > Actually it takes quite an effort to get a beta together. Think of it as going to school. It’s much easier and less stressful to take 4 classes rather than 5 or 6. You stay more focus when you aren’t working on as much. If they made a beta they would have to worry about too many things. Not only creating the beta but watching over it. They just need to focus on making the game as awesome as possible.
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> I see your point. How ever i don’t agree, my brother goes to a school for game design while hes not as talented or experienced as 343 or bungie he understands a majority of how its done. And considering the time frame they have had for halo 4 im sure they have more then enough time to open and watch a beta. The only reason why the game should take any longer is if there currently scrapping ideas considering the game comes out around fall ish i doubt this is the case.
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> its probably de bugging or ZB time and that only takes 2-3 months. standerdly.
Being in school for video game design would give you very little insight into launching a beta for a game the scale of Halo. I’m not trying to say your brother isn’t good at what he does but it’s a completely different atmosphere and idea when you’re talking about indie style games made in college versus ambitious console flagship titles.
> > > My Thoughts. We don’t need a widespread public beta and they end up doing more bad than good.
> >
> > <mark>Exactly how did having a beta for halo 3 end up hurting the full game</mark> in the long run? I can understand peoples doubts after what happened with reach. But that was bungie this is 343 they already made a smart decision when they remade halo 1. Maybe they can take a beta for halo 4 and listen to the right people this time?
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> > i trust there judgment but i still think a beta would be helpful.
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> Apparently you didn’t pay attention to the video. I only gave one example which was the tripmine. Not going to explain as I explain in the video. Their was also the awesome perfect spikers that got nerfed. Besides that nothing else was really done. Theirfor it was more like a demo.
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> Also as stated in the video… With the way Halo games are made now adays betas aren’t needed. Halo can get a big update a few weeks after the game releases without even using a patch. So quick tweaks can be made. Like I said the main reason people want a beta is to play the game early. Only about 1% actually wants a beta so the game is tested and only about .2% of those people report bugs. And those people don’t have to worry as the game is very easily fixable/changeable now adays.
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> We don’t need a beta and we’re not going to get one. 343 is focus on polishing their game. They want everything to feel like a fresh surprise when we get our hands on the full product.
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> A beta could also ruin 343. Some people don’t realize that Betas aren’t final products and may get the wrong idea and blame everything on 343 and not buy the actual game.
I am sorry i had to skip your video as my computer is currently having issues with playing videos. You do raise a good point with the updates…see i happen to be that “1-2%” of people who wish for a beta to test it and report bugs. i did with halo 3 and reach id love to for halo 4. I realize the community is a double edged sword, but as you stated people will always be unhappy no matter what bungie/343 do. But id rather get dissapointed in a beta and not waist my money then get super excited because of a teaser trailer or some short footage only to find out i dislike what they did with halo 4 and i blew 60 or more on a game i won’t play.
i like surprises, everyone does but id rather it be a happy surprise then a :D…oh surprise. Betas arnt needed but they help way more then harm.
> I can guarantee that there won’t be a Beta, too many resources/ time would be taken up, which 343 want to spend on bug fixing and polishing.
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> Also the risk of a community outlash on the forums, leading to a hype drop could be an attributing factor, especially after the migration of the more “spirited” users from Bungie.net
Unless you have proof of anyone in 343 saying “there will be no beta” you can’t guarantee. Things can change. That should be a risk they would be willing to take. If halo 4 is going to suck it will. suck. not putting a beta out is only hidding the fact and delaying the inevitable. also taking our money.
as i said before i don’t think they are up to this but you gota look at the possibilities.
> > > > > I don’t care if there’s no beta. A beta is for large scale bug testing, not a demo so fans can get their greasy hands on the game early. A beta takes huge amounts of resources anyway, I’d rather they put them into developing the game.
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> > > > they have been working on halo 4 since halo 3. if they can give us good footage of 2 complete maps non blocky characters and smooth gameplay it shouldn’t/wouldn’t take much time or effort to throw together a beta
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> > > Actually it takes quite an effort to get a beta together. Think of it as going to school. It’s much easier and less stressful to take 4 classes rather than 5 or 6. You stay more focus when you aren’t working on as much. If they made a beta they would have to worry about too many things. Not only creating the beta but watching over it. They just need to focus on making the game as awesome as possible.
> >
> > I see your point. How ever i don’t agree, my brother goes to a school for game design while hes not as talented or experienced as 343 or bungie he understands a majority of how its done. And considering the time frame they have had for halo 4 im sure they have more then enough time to open and watch a beta. The only reason why the game should take any longer is if there currently scrapping ideas considering the game comes out around fall ish i doubt this is the case.
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> > its probably de bugging or ZB time and that only takes 2-3 months. standerdly.
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> Being in school for video game design would give you very little insight into launching a beta for a game the scale of Halo. I’m not trying to say your brother isn’t good at what he does but it’s a completely different atmosphere and idea when you’re talking about indie style games made in college versus ambitious console flagship titles.
The scale is bigger but the concept is the same. He may not know how to launch a beta of that kind but he can have an idea. like i said same concept whats different i see is the pressure of making a good halo game since it is halo but thats not something thats programmed.
> > For the record, nobody has officially stated that there will not be a beta. Frankie and Kiki Wolfkill have hinted that most likely there won’t be one, but nobody has come out and said that there will absolutely be no beta.
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> If you read my post i had already stated that they haven’t officially stated there will be no beta. this post was un needed.
This entire thread is un-needed. If they are going to do a beta than they have already begun creating one out of the resources that they’ve used to create Halo 4. If they aren’t going to do one, then a petition on the forum will not change their minds and redesign their whole schedule.