Perma bans aren't always an ideal solution

Now, before I go into this please keep an open mind and don’t spam hate on me.

I’ve seen a lot of people lately saying that there’s cheaters and toxic players that need to be perma banned. While I agree they do work at times, perma bans really don’t do much unless you’re cheating. If someone is online to troll they’re just going to make a new profile and keep playing that way. There’s no stopping trolls.

On the old Halo Waypoint site, Monitors would perma ban people a lot more, but it didn’t make a difference because they’d just make new profiles and continue being toxic. While I didn’t partake in any of this nonsense, I knew people who had made like six different accounts for that behavior, and no one could stop them.

Perma bans are not an ideal solution for anyone besides cheaters, and sometimes it doesn’t do much for them either because they’ll just install mods on a different account. I don’t even know where I was really going with this forum, I guess I’m just ranting at this point.

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Dude just say what we’re all thinking : F2P is a mistake.
Make the MP 20 bucks and Campaign 40 bucks, so you can buy them separately as a choice.

Let’s see how many times people wanna spend 20 bucks to “troll”

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Have you heard of Call of Duty? The game was pay to play, and yet is still notorious for cheaters. Also, how can we go to pay to play now? I doubt it would fix any issues, even the store, and it would likely just cause more anger. Making the game pay to play now is a braindead solution.

Forum trolls: Ghost bans

Game trolls, quitters, afkers etc: match them together in their own player pool.

Game cheaters: match them together in their own specific player pool.

Deter new accounts: Require to play the tutorial for all new accounts.

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A better deterrent is to make players finish a bunch of Bot missions first before letting them access matchmaking. Incentive for playing these bot missions : some cosmetics.

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Bans are a system you put in place when you have failed as a developer to develop better tools.

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Must be why CSGO has failed.

All those bans led to 550k monthly daily average, 800k-1mil peak on weekends. All because bans are given out like Halloween candy.

What a shame, truly a shell of its former self…

Well, that would work if they’re playing on a digital version, but if they have a game disk they’ll just pop it in and play on a different account on the same console.

Then yes they still failed in that aspect for using an inferior system.

Thanks for playing along, but you really can’t honestly believe that.

I’m genuinely curious what game does it right if 99.9% of multiplayer titles fail by your account.

It’s almost like everything you just stated is on the PC and can be worked around in many ways.

The problem first of all stems from Halo being on the PC . It being free to play was the nail in the coffin

I do believe reality instead of some fart-inhaled delusion. You should not be punished for leaving a bad game, you should not be punished for not wanting to play with betrayers, you should not be punished for being poor and having lackluster internet and you should not be punished for being forced into Oddball when you wanted team slayer. Give everyone a better game!

To address your edit - hmmmm,et me think of an example. If only there were a game. Dang. If only there were a previous Halo title. That would be something.

Oh. Wait. There was. TWENTY YEARS AGO. It was called Halo PC and it was the very first online Halo and very first Halo game ever!

saldy this is something that has been told all few years ago.
when the news have come out that halo infinite multiplayer was becoming F2P a lot off people told all its the worst thing to do since the problems you will get are big to deal with and see.

@hudso8 its true that Cod is pay to play but is not most off the cheaters problem there coming from the F2P game Warzone there have?

You got a weird obsession with flatulence.

Then there should be a solution and a standard for what constitutes a “bad game” rather than taking matters into your own hands and screwing over your teammates.

Lots of people have lots of different ideas for what a “bad game” is.

Then betrayal boots need to be implemented, and betrayers should be banned or separated out of the general population.

This is a symptom of a larger issue and should be fixed by the user rather than trying to force a square block into a round hole. If your internet is so bad that you’re unable to play a multiplayer title in 2022, then it’s time to upgrade.

And if you leave because you don’t like the flavor of gamemode, then enjoy your ban for screwing over your teammates.

This isn’t a failure on 343’s part, this is “T for Teen” mentality. Grow up.

You mean peer-to-peer connection, no anti-cheat, no moderation, no warning modded blood gulch boundary breaking, flying Scorpion tanks Halo PC?

Its peak success hit 107k players in 2007, however in 2022 there’s less than 100. I’d imagine a game that “does it right” would have retained such a vast population.

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Only because some pathetic mod wanted to censor No, betrayal booting is a waste of time, because then they will stop betraying and just keep depleting your shields. How about mirror damage! Boom! Superior system, as I have been saying along. Bans are retar.ded and pointless.

Not everyone is able to upgrade their internet. You are telling people without as much privilege as you that spent their hard earned money on the game, “too bad. You don’t get to play the game you purchased.” Unacceptable.

Or how about 343 can make their game better and let me play EXACTLY what I want to play? Stop excusing bad game mechanics. Stop trying to screw EVERY player over, because forcing someone to stay in a game they don’t want to be in is a terrible idea.

Halo PC was not peer to peer, it had servers.

Also stupid that the word retar.d is filtered on here. Grow the hell up. :man_facepalming:t2:

“Waste of time”. Getting someone booted and hopefully punished for griefing a match isn’t a waste of time. Sitting out a ban for leaving a match when the griefer doesn’t get punished is a waste of time :joy:

But there are ways to circumvent this as well. Team up with friends and pre-stack.

Not a bad system in some cases, but a mirror damage system can be heavily abused especially in modes like team slayer where betrayals/suicides are counted against your score.

Could be remedied in some ways, but nothing beats a good old fashioned boot so the player doesn’t continue to be a nuisance in your match.

We live in an age where the average monthly cost of 25d/5u internet costs less than a tank of gas. 10 years ago, I lived every summer without internet in the middle of Amish country, now my service in the middle of a cornfield is better and cheaper than my city connection.

The only situation I see people truly unable to do anything about is college dorms. In that case it’s just a matter of chintzy tenured professors sucking the commodities away and the colleges should do better.

Especially in a time when we don’t even need to pay for the game we play. Don’t have to fork over $60 and an additional $10 for tri-annual map packs? There’s your upgrade.

There’s a team slayer playlist since you’ve proven that you’re a big boy and don’t want to eat the oddball vegetables on your plate. Go wild.

I agree that playlists should act more like MCC’s, but when you actually have a choice now in some capacity, then I find it incredibly confusing why you still complain.

However in the playlists that act as a grab bag of sorts, you inherently accept the outcome of what you put yourself into.

YOU clicked the playlist, YOU understand what it modes it could put you in, YOU pressed “start” accepting those terms, if YOU get a mode/map you don’t like, then YOU ride it out because quitting screws everyone else over.

At its peak yes, not currently. So how does it do it better exactly?

And circumventing it will get you censored, so yeah take your advice:

No reason to punish them for leaving when they get REPLACED by a bot until a player is found.

Some people only have the option of one ISP… screw them though, right?

And what if I ONLY want to play CTF? How do I do that?

Ya, I was forced to choose between a few Playlist because they were too incompetent to give me a better game. How about instead of punishing someone for wanting to enjoy the game you instead encourage the developers to make a better game?

In casual yes, but you’re talking about griefers so I’m inclined to believe you’re doing this in Ranked as well.

So no it’s not ok in either.

Yeah, I’m one of those people and I’m getting one provider 70/10 for less than the cost of my 50/50 where there are multiple providers.

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