Except for the br. It was spared cuz the pros would start crying
you’re right, and that’s honestly the dumbest part of it all
Nobody asked for that, because nobody asked for ANY melee nerf adjustment. Them selectively making the BR a melee powerhouse in Ranked is the weirdest choice they’ve made out of all of it.
Pros were left scratching their heads too
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They should do what Halo 3 or even 5 did. They had Ranked Team Slayer AND a MLG/HCS playlist. That would solve everything! Maybe, just maybe Infinite should do this too!! Oh wait, it doesn’t have a Ranked Team Slayer only playlist for reasons that are beyond comprehension.
Also, apparently the games UI is so bad that it will only allow x amount of ranked playlists 
what a joke!
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Are you honestly telling me you consistently use or experience Mangler drop combos in your lobbies and it’s a balance issue? If so, the lobbies must have really changed since I was playing Open because from Tracker it looks like we played around the same level.
Even the sword wasn’t that much of an issue I can recall. Noob combo it, team shot it, repulse it, you’ve got a 50-50 stick chance. It’s a power weapon, as the other person correctly, and it should be a map control priority.
Would I rebalance it? Yes, the melee priority is obnoxious. But it’s not like gamebreaking. And nobody should be expected to know a GA, and again, I’ve rarely if ever seen it followed in an actual Open ranked game.
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No actually, I’m saying most people don’t do the GA stuff anymore, it’s usually just lower level players looking for an easy win
???
Lower level players could never do the mangler drop combo anyway, that’s why they’re lower level players. Even in Diamond open lobbies most players can’t execute that with any sort of consistency. I think you’re confusing GA on that with people just not being good enough to use it.
Dropping also requires a convoluted control scheme (or elite controller with paddles) which further limits the number of people using it.
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Literally anyone can do the drop combo, that’s the point.
But by lower level I mean mostly low Diamond. The majority of Onyx players adhere to the GA from what I can tell. It’s the plat and low Diamond players using the sword and mangler more often than not.
Is it only the mangler drop that has been exiled, or the entire drop mechanic?
Generally speaking it’s the drop combo in itself. The Mangler is just one of the most abusable forms. I have seen people using it with the commando and pulse carbine some lately, but that’s usually them being salty I think.
I just explained that no, everybody can’t. It requires a high level of skill to consistently use Mangler combos with or without drop, and drop requires either a convoluted control scheme or an elite controller.
I mean, technically everyone “can” do it. Everyone “can” 360 no-scope across the map too, if that’s how we want to think about it.
I think a lot of people confuse GAs needed for professional level play with GAs required to play in lobbies below, say, 1700. And nobody in this thread who’s talking about this is anywhere near 1700. It’s like a tiny fraction of a second TTK improvement, it matters for pros that hit 95+% of perfects, not for the rest of us.
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Yes they can lol
No it doesn’t lol
The ease of use is why it’s GA’d, it’s no harder than just swapping weapons, it just lowers the ttk. It’s a single button combo.
I mean, I wiggled my way up to 1610 if that matters.
Haha, well now you’re just being difficult. Yes, consistently getting a perfect mangler drop combo requires skill. Consistently getting a perfect BR kill requires skill. Doing anything consistently in Halo requires skill.
HaloTracker shows your peak at S1 1506 in Open, the only playlist allowing full fireteams and genuine comp Halo. Not that I want to get into a rating contest. Maybe I shouldn’t have brought that up.
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No more skill than just getting a perfect with either the BR or Mangler alone would require. Or a noob combo with the pulse carbine or plasma pistol.
Open is a dump stat playlist now, it’s only worth playing if you have a consistent full team of 4.
Doubles is the place to go if you want to play ranked slayer and avoid all the fluff and bad random teammate frustration.
It’s also the clearest case of when the GA’d components can be aggressively abused, yet people tend to agree not to use them so it only reinforces my point.
“no more skill than getting a perfect with the BR” - Getting consistent perfects requires a lot of skill, that’s my whole point.
Doubles is very different and I’m sure there are different GA rules and stuff around it. If you only play doubles, you’d definitely know more about it than me, I was really talking more about open since that’s traditionally the main ranked playlist.
Also, when I’m talking about dropping–any combo that requires taking a hand off the sticks is kind of wonky. That’s the reason everyone high-level has controllers with paddles. That’s what I meant above.
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This is a tricky subject, wherein I have what I would say are my core beliefs about it, but I also always find myself playing devils advocate in my own head. If you’d ask me 15-17 years ago, when I had time to play consistently and took gaming more seriously, yea sure I’d consciously leave alone overpowered weapons because I wanted to know I could beat people without the aid of something that was lopsided or overpowered. Nowadays, I’ll still mostly avoid them in ranked, with a few exceptions. But that’s still me, and it’s more of a back of my mind decision rather than something I actively think about. I do not, however, lose respect for people who do use them. Most of us are not playing at a top tier professional level, this isn’t for money or reputation or sponsorships, even if your platinum versus onyx ranked, it’s all still “casual gaming” in the end.
If someone wants to use the sword and grapple around and attack me like Yoda fighting Count Dooku, fine, that is their decision and preference and I will do my best to counter that play style with the resources and tactics I deem most viable. If money/professional play was on the line, it’s a different scenario. All other situations I think people need to just accept that GA play style is an ideal that just won’t ever be widely accepted, and that is OK, because most of our ranks mean nothing in “the real world” (and certainly not considering I consistently have no idea if I’m beating people due to skill, or if they are suffering from the myriad of issues this game has, wherein I potentially had an advantage that let me prevail). I sure know I’m on the latter side of that situation more than I care to think about and it’s maddening.
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GA is only a thing in tournaments. It’s not a thing in ranked. The more I hear about this GA thing the more i agree with people that say companies should not listen to Pros or “pros” when they balance the mp. They should only be listened to for how to balance tournaments. Yall’s idea of fun is eating cereal without milk or sugar. Good for you, but not the majority.
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Its pretty rare to see people breaking the GA unless they’re low ranked these days
A GA can be anything. I could say, melee only, and if everyone agrees, than the GA is melees only. As is, there is no agreement(s) to break in a ranked playlist. Mainly because none of the 4-8 people had unanimously agreed with each other on any thing before getting matched into a game. Unlike tournaments, where the teams create and agree on extra rules to follow. You see the difference?
If you are expecting a random person to agree to play by the rules you have made up in your head without a discussion, than you are not a Gentleman. This is same “pro” elitism from back in the OG xbox days when the BR MLG player meme started. “oh you used the X that was on the map to win. Peasant trash.” Glad to see some part of Halo has not changed, for better or worse.
For what it’s worth. I hope yall get the playlist you want where all the GA stuff the real pros play with are already baked into the mode & map.
Same. I’m not high diamond or onyx. But i would get matched with them a lot. Never saw them ignore the weapons on the map.
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Matchmaking is still a free for all. If it’s on the map, use it. I’m not playing in tournaments or leagues in that specific setting. Also, not my problem that some small group of players want to limit new weapons. Ever noticed how different weapons on maps are on ranked compared to social? It’s truly mind blowing.
Its better to just work on BR skills and map movement to actually improve at the fundamentals of the game. The reason certain things are GA’d is because they bust the game in some way. Its not really fun using busted things outside of like Action Sack maybe.
That being said, I smile when someone breaks the GA by grabbing sword, because you bet your mom I’m about to desperado people with the Mangler the rest of the match