People love to Hate 343

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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What the title says. 343 did nothing but follow Bungie’s direction of Halo when they made Halo 4. Clearly, it’s not the direction Halo was meant to take, but they still were taking after Reach and incorporating many elements that Bungie put into the series before them.

Everyone here thinks 343 is inept because they can’t make a “good” game. People have doubts about Halo 5 being functional at launch despite the fact that Halo 4 had no major flaws when it came to finding matches and the game’s overall stability. “Yeah but Halo 4 was bad.” So? Halo 4 worked just as it was supposed to, just like Halo 5 will because it’s nowhere as complicated as making a game like MCC. Not to mention, it’s not even being handled by the same team.

Don’t get me wrong, MCC was unacceptable but you can’t really call 343 inept because they did what no one had done before. This game was an absolute mess to make. With several companies working on it to deliver 4 campaigns and multiplayers on one disc, with the games spanning different consoles and being forcefully shoved onto the Xbox One. There is no way you can sweep that under the rug and there’s no way I can sweep its failures under the rug.

343 gets an absurd amount of hate even when they listen to people. Sure, Halo 4 was not the greatest multiplayer game and they realized this. I remember seeing people ask for things like permanent Thruster Pack for Halo 5 back before it was even announced. I remember seeing intelligent people compiling lists of things that needed to come back to Halo.

Almost every list had these things:

Equal Starts
Power Weapons on Map
Map Control
Remove Ordnance
Remove Loadouts
Nerf Sprint
Remove Armor Abilities
Remove Perks

343 has done all this and more to satisfy their fans and it’s still not enough for some people. If they didn’t care at all then they wouldn’t have changed it, Halo 4 was the bestselling Halo game yet. The game was a financial success and Halo 5 would have still sold exceptionally well even if it didn’t change. Granted, gamers would eventually have lost interest but Halo could have gotten milked dry like Assassins Creed is being right now. They could be rolling in our money off of the game’s name alone for a long time.

So all 343 has really done is make one game that you didn’t like based off of Bungie’s footprints (The campaign was still fantastic) and then make one broken game that you will hold against them forever without accepting that no other game is like it. All the while they continue to listen to feedback to change their games to your satisfaction before and after they come out. I’ve never seen Bungie do a beta as important and game changing as Halo 5’s. I never saw Bungie patch their game with a huge weapon balancing update months after it came out.

So why hate on them? Just because you hate something, it doesn’t mean you’re part of a holy crusade that labels major game companies as evil while reminiscing on better times, when game developers weren’t trying to swindle you. Spoiler: Some have been doing that ever since they could make money off of you. Not all complaints are invalid but hating a game company because they made a game you didn’t like is just childish. What’s sad is once the hate starts, it gets insanely out of hand and before you know it, you hate 343 for everything.

“I hate the art style!”
“I hate the sound this gun makes!”
“I hate -insert anything related to 343-!”

I’ve seen some ridiculous stuff here as I’m sure you have. I’ve seen people blame 343 for the weather during a Halo tournament. I’ve seen them mock 343 because the Hologram can -Yoink!- in Halo 4.

I’ve seen it all and it hurts. It hurts because it gets me thinking of the people I played Halo with when it all started back in 2001. The great times that were had, taking games for what they were. Has it really all led us to this? I remember when I started seeing CoD players who would do nothing but play CoD and whine the entire time about how bad the game was or how stupid the developers were. I remember thinking to myself: “Wow, I’m glad that not every game is filled with people like that.” Nowadays, I don’t even see a difference.

You’re all better than that, at least I hope so. So end all this hate towards a developer who clearly cares about making their games better. I know it can be easy to type whatever you want when your safely behind your monitor and completely anonymous, but try to keep it more civil. You wouldn’t talk like that to them in person, we all know that.

Call me a fanboy, call me a blind defender of 343, I don’t care. I was just as disappointed as you when MCC launched. We all have a right to have our voices heard.

See you all in Halo 5.

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Well this is the Internet and people are going to feel how they feel and express their opinion however and wherever they want because there are no repercussions for being a -Yoink-. A lot of the negativity towards 343i is justified because of bad MP design decisions in Halo 4 and the broken MCC, but not the childish and immature ways people share their feedback. You know the people who say the worst, most vile and exaggerated stuff about 343i would never speak that way to the faces of Josh, Frankie, or Bonnie because they don’t have the spine for it, it’s rude, and they know it doesn’t help anybody–not 343i, not the fans, not Halo.

But this is the Internet and because this is the Internet, you have haters and people behaving like children and acting how they want because they can do it anonymously and the worst thing that can happen is they get banned from Waypoint or blocked on Twitter. It is what it is and the old adage “haters gonna hate” applies to this situation.

While I agree with most of what you wrote, I doubt your post is going to reach anyone. You’ll never convince everyone to feel how you feel, so you’re better off just ignoring these types of people and reporting them for trolling when they step over the line.

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A lot of people say 343 can’t make good games and use Halo 4 as an example, and most of those people say they want Bungie back, but if Bungie had continued to make Halo, do the fans really honestly expect Bungie to just discard all of the features they added in Reach? You’re right, 343 were just taking what Bungie already put into place and expanded on the features and added some new things. Plus, if Bungie had kept making Halo, Halo 4 may have actually been far worse than fans think it is now. Bungie was ready to let Halo go so they could work on Destiny. They put a lot of care and work into Reach, but they were done. Reach was the end for them, and if they had to make Halo 4 AND Destiny, I just don’t feel like that same love and care for the Halo series would be there in Halo 4 since they didn’t want to do it and since their love and care was with Destiny (opinions on Destiny aside)

Honestly, I can’t think of any other studio that should be making Halo. 343 may not appeal to a lot of fans, maybe even most fans, but they have a deep care and love for the franchise, and they also have their own vision for how Halo should be. Personally, for their first game as a studio, I think they did pretty great on Halo 4. I don’t like EVERYTHING about the game, but they delivered a fully functional product with an awesome, emotional campaign and a multiplayer that appealed to several different kinds of fans (armor abilities are there for those who wanted them to stay, the BR came back after older fans asked for it, ect.). People say that Bungie cared about and listened to their fans, but as you stated, 343 do too. They just can’t possibly fully appeal to the entire fanbase, so they try to have something present in the game that appeals to each player. It’s better than just doing whatever they want with the games and not listening to fans at all

I actually feel sorry for 343 honestly. Sure they all know about all the hate they get on the forums, and that’s just a fraction of the part of the Halo fanbase who hate on 343 and their work. They put years of hard work and undying love into a game just to have most of the community tear them down for it. They’re trying. They can’t just make a Halo 2/3 clone, nor can they just make a Halo 4 clone. I fully understand not liking certain parts of the game, I just wish people didn’t say things like “#343bola” and “Everyone at 343 should lose their jobs.” As 343 continue to make games and learn more and more what’s right and wrong for Halo and the community, they will improve and I feel that soon, they will have support from most of the fanbase instead of just a portion of it

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> Well this is the Internet and people are going to feel how they feel and express their opinion however and wherever they want because there are no repercussions for being a -Yoink-. A lot of the negativity towards 343i is justified because of bad MP design decisions in Halo 4 and the broken MCC, but not the childish and immature ways people share their feedback. You know the people who say the worst, most vile and exaggerated stuff about 343i would never speak that way to the faces of Josh, Frankie, or Bonnie because they don’t have the spine for it, it’s rude, and they know it doesn’t help anybody–not 343i, not the fans, not Halo.
>
> But this is the Internet and because this is the Internet, you have haters and people behaving like children and acting how they want because they can do it anonymously and the worst thing that can happen is they get banned from Waypoint or blocked on Twitter. It is what it is and the old adage “haters gonna hate” applies to this situation.
>
> While I agree with most of what you wrote, I doubt your post is going to “reach anyone.” You’re better off just ignoring these types of people and reporting them for trolling when they step over the line.

I know what you mean. Thanks for writing so much, it’s fun to read what people have to say :slight_smile:

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There are many many other reasons to why people dislike 343i than just artstyle, sound or anything else that is 343i related.

As you mentioned they made these changes to Halo 5:

  • Equal Starts - Power Weapons on Map - Map Control - Remove Ordnance - Remove Loadouts - Nerf Sprint - Remove Armor Abilities - __Remove Perks__But what they’ve changed about some of those points is what we dislike.
    The powerweapons on map is nice, it was even there on Halo 4 so I don’t know why you bring it up but some of us complain about them being visible from anywhere of the map, to everyone, with a waypoint. And they even announce when it spawns. Some of us don’t like that, we think it’s unfair for X reasons.
    The map controll is debatable but I’m going to stay on the side where it has been heavily decreased with the years and Halo 5 is another step into that way.
    Sprint nerf. I don’t care how much they nerf it, as long as it’s in there it is bad for map design, map movement, game pace, weapon behavior and other mechanics such as jump height, “walk” speed, Melee, spawn timers, spawns so on so forth.

If you think that we who hate Halo 5 or 343i only have ridiculus arguments or hate them for the sake of hate then I ask, why do you love them? For turning the franchise into almost any other shooter game as of today? When it comes to campaign I can give 343i some slack but since I’m a MP guy, I’m not really.

But what I wonder the most is…Why is it okay for people like you, who like 343i, to go on these forums and tell how much you adore 343i and their creations without getting bashed whilst we who dislike them are seen as sinners and should be burned on poles just because we think in the different direction? Isn’t that a double standard? It is, and it’s just pure BS.

Complaining on 343i’s changes are just as valid as complimenting them. I will continue to bash 343i for their ignorance towards the community, for the games they’ve created that have made so many people to leave the franchise and for their games that are trying to reach another fanbase instead of the huge one they already held but lost which they easily could take back.
But they are failing to reach that audience, they’re just hurting the franchise more than trying to heal it by trying to reach another audience which already have a game that is perfect for them, Call of Duty.

I’m not saying Halo 5 is like CoD. Though it plays like it. Not mechanic wise, but strategy wise and pace wise. The killtimes are low, the movement is fast and the map design allows you to go from one corner to the other in a millisecond which will only bring up harder spawncamping and camping overall.

There are hundreds of reasons why to dislike Halo 5 and reasons to why it’s worse than other Halo’s when compared to them than there are reasons to why it’s a HALO game.
As a standalone game Halo 5 will be great, but compared to other Halo’s, nah, it’s not parring up.

And keep in mind that this is from the MP perspective, not campaign. I already said that the campaign might be great but for me it doesn’t really matter. The campaign can’t hold the game up by itself and that’s why the MP is there.

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You know, I bet that if Bungie was still around they would have done the same thing like 343 are doing and then people are going to complain to Bungie.

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> There are many many other reasons to why people dislike 343i than just artstyle, sound or anything else that is 343i related.
>
> As you mentioned they made these changes to Halo 5:
>
> - Equal Starts
> - Power Weapons on Map
> - Map Control
> - Remove Ordnance
> - Remove Loadouts
> - Nerf Sprint
> - Remove Armor Abilities
> - Remove Perks
> But what they’ve changed about some of those points is what we dislike.
> The powerweapons on map is nice, it was even there on Halo 4 so I don’t know why you bring it up but some of us complain about them being visible from anywhere of the map, to everyone, with a waypoint. And they even announce when it spawns. Some of us don’t like that, we think it’s unfair for X reasons.
> The map controll is debatable but I’m going to stay on the side where it has been heavily decreased with the years and Halo 5 is another step into that way.
> Sprint nerf. I don’t care how much they nerf it, as long as it’s in there it is bad for map design, map movement, game pace, weapon behavior and other mechanics such as jump height, “walk” speed, Melee, spawn timers, spawns so on so forth.
>
> If you think that we who hate Halo 5 or 343i only have ridiculus arguments or hate them for the sake of hate then I ask, why do you love them? For turning the franchise into almost any other shooter game as of today? When it comes to campaign I can give 343i some slack but since I’m a MP guy, I’m not really.
>
> But what I wonder the most is…Why is it okay for people like you, who like 343i, to go on these forums and tell how much you adore 343i and their creations without getting bashed whilst we who dislike them are seen as sinners and should be burned on poles just because we think in the different direction? Isn’t that a double standard? It is, and it’s just pure BS.
>
> Complaining on 343i’s changes are just as valid as complimenting them. I will continue to bash 343i for their ignorance towards the community, for the games they’ve created that have made so many people to leave the franchise and for their games that are trying to reach another fanbase instead of the huge one they already held but lost which they easily could take back.
> But they are failing to reach that audience, they’re just hurting the franchise more than trying to heal it by trying to reach another audience which already have a game that is perfect for them, Call of Duty.
>
> I’m not saying Halo 5 is like CoD. Though it plays like it. Not mechanic wise, but strategy wise and pace wise. The killtimes are low, the movement is fast and the map design allows you to go from one corner to the other in a millisecond which will only bring up harder spawncamping and camping overall.
>
> There are hundreds of reasons why to dislike Halo 5 and reasons to why it’s worse than other Halo’s when compared to them than there are reasons to why it’s a HALO game.
> As a standalone game Halo 5 will be great, but compared to other Halo’s, nah, it’s not parring up.
>
> And keep in mind that this is from the MP perspective, not campaign. I already said that the campaign might be great but for me it doesn’t really matter. The campaign can’t hold the game up by itself and that’s why the MP is there.

When have I ever labeled you as a bad guy? And just because I like 343 and Halo 5 that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have any reasonable opposition. I’m not untouchable, the people who support Halo 5 and 343 on here are more prone to being insulted than anyone else.

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> You know, I bet that if Bungie was still around they would have done the same thing like 343 are doing and then people are going to complain to Bungie.

This. The same features from Reach that a lot of players hated would still be there had Bungie kept making Halo. It still would have turned out being a game that a large portion of the fanbase hate. Bringing Bungie back at this point would be the worst choice Microsoft could ever make for the franchise since Bungie no longer care about Halo, and this would be very much evident in Halo 4 had Bungie made it

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> > There are many many other reasons to why people dislike 343i than just artstyle, sound or anything else that is 343i related.
> >
> > As you mentioned they made these changes to Halo 5:
> >
> > - Equal Starts
> > - Power Weapons on Map
> > - Map Control
> > - Remove Ordnance
> > - Remove Loadouts
> > - Nerf Sprint
> > - Remove Armor Abilities
> > - Remove Perks
> > But what they’ve changed about some of those points is what we dislike.
> > The powerweapons on map is nice, it was even there on Halo 4 so I don’t know why you bring it up but some of us complain about them being visible from anywhere of the map, to everyone, with a waypoint. And they even announce when it spawns. Some of us don’t like that, we think it’s unfair for X reasons.
> > The map controll is debatable but I’m going to stay on the side where it has been heavily decreased with the years and Halo 5 is another step into that way.
> > Sprint nerf. I don’t care how much they nerf it, as long as it’s in there it is bad for map design, map movement, game pace, weapon behavior and other mechanics such as jump height, “walk” speed, Melee, spawn timers, spawns so on so forth.
> >
> > If you think that we who hate Halo 5 or 343i only have ridiculus arguments or hate them for the sake of hate then I ask, why do you love them? For turning the franchise into almost any other shooter game as of today? When it comes to campaign I can give 343i some slack but since I’m a MP guy, I’m not really.
> >
> > But what I wonder the most is…Why is it okay for people like you, who like 343i, to go on these forums and tell how much you adore 343i and their creations without getting bashed whilst we who dislike them are seen as sinners and should be burned on poles just because we think in the different direction? Isn’t that a double standard? It is, and it’s just pure BS.
> >
> > Complaining on 343i’s changes are just as valid as complimenting them. I will continue to bash 343i for their ignorance towards the community, for the games they’ve created that have made so many people to leave the franchise and for their games that are trying to reach another fanbase instead of the huge one they already held but lost which they easily could take back.
> > But they are failing to reach that audience, they’re just hurting the franchise more than trying to heal it by trying to reach another audience which already have a game that is perfect for them, Call of Duty.
> >
> > I’m not saying Halo 5 is like CoD. Though it plays like it. Not mechanic wise, but strategy wise and pace wise. The killtimes are low, the movement is fast and the map design allows you to go from one corner to the other in a millisecond which will only bring up harder spawncamping and camping overall.
> >
> > There are hundreds of reasons why to dislike Halo 5 and reasons to why it’s worse than other Halo’s when compared to them than there are reasons to why it’s a HALO game.
> > As a standalone game Halo 5 will be great, but compared to other Halo’s, nah, it’s not parring up.
> >
> > And keep in mind that this is from the MP perspective, not campaign. I already said that the campaign might be great but for me it doesn’t really matter. The campaign can’t hold the game up by itself and that’s why the MP is there.
>
>
> When have I ever labeled you as a bad guy? And just because I like 343 and Halo 5 that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have any reasonable opposition. I’m not untouchable, the people who support Halo 5 and 343 on here are more prone to being insulted than anyone else.

Now why do you think that is? Why are those who defend 343i get more insulted when they are the one’s who started the whole shazzam with “Oh you’re just a hater, adapt or leave the franchise you hater. You’re just a BK”.
When 343i asked for feedback of Halo 5 I did my very first thread regarding of what I disliked, what I liked and what I think could solve what I disliked but still kept the game what it is. And of course some of the first comments to that were 343i whiteknights/keyboardwarriors who just bashed me for not being able to adapt or being bad at the game even though I’ve beaten them multiple times online on their hosts.

Of course there are those who are against 343i and do the same, just being completily rude or -Yoinks!- but those don’t accur to come up as often as those who defend 343i in the same kind of way.

I say that either both parties get equally offended and insulted or the party that is against 343i because they’re not only getting bashed by the whiteknights but also by 343i themselves with their transparency, ignorance to our questions and just slap-in-the-face answers.

“How come you chose to have sprint in the game when it brings more negativety than possitvety in terms of game mechanics and these other things”.
“Oh well the first thing we think about when we created Halo 4 and 5 is the immersion into the game blah blah we just want the game to look and feel realistic and the game functionality comes the last”
That is a summuary of what they said when over at the BEYOND ENTERTAINEMNT forums.
And once we ask something like “why priorotize immersion over functional and working mechancis” they just turn the other face around, let a tear drop and say “You’re just haters”.

I feel spitted on when they came out with that post. I felt abused and violated whilst those who defended 343i just laughed at us and called us stupid.

Your thread is about shaming the “haters” of 343i from what I’ve understood and I just question, do you feel good about it? Does it feel good to bash someone so deep into the ground so they have no voice anymore so that you can claim yourself as the victorious one?

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> > > There are many many other reasons to why people dislike 343i than just artstyle, sound or anything else that is 343i related.
> > >
> > > As you mentioned they made these changes to Halo 5:
> > >
> > > - Equal Starts
> > > - Power Weapons on Map
> > > - Map Control
> > > - Remove Ordnance
> > > - Remove Loadouts
> > > - Nerf Sprint
> > > - Remove Armor Abilities
> > > - Remove Perks
> > > But what they’ve changed about some of those points is what we dislike.
> > > The powerweapons on map is nice, it was even there on Halo 4 so I don’t know why you bring it up but some of us complain about them being visible from anywhere of the map, to everyone, with a waypoint. And they even announce when it spawns. Some of us don’t like that, we think it’s unfair for X reasons.
> > > The map controll is debatable but I’m going to stay on the side where it has been heavily decreased with the years and Halo 5 is another step into that way.
> > > Sprint nerf. I don’t care how much they nerf it, as long as it’s in there it is bad for map design, map movement, game pace, weapon behavior and other mechanics such as jump height, “walk” speed, Melee, spawn timers, spawns so on so forth.
> > >
> > > If you think that we who hate Halo 5 or 343i only have ridiculus arguments or hate them for the sake of hate then I ask, why do you love them? For turning the franchise into almost any other shooter game as of today? When it comes to campaign I can give 343i some slack but since I’m a MP guy, I’m not really.
> > >
> > > But what I wonder the most is…Why is it okay for people like you, who like 343i, to go on these forums and tell how much you adore 343i and their creations without getting bashed whilst we who dislike them are seen as sinners and should be burned on poles just because we think in the different direction? Isn’t that a double standard? It is, and it’s just pure BS.
> > >
> > > Complaining on 343i’s changes are just as valid as complimenting them. I will continue to bash 343i for their ignorance towards the community, for the games they’ve created that have made so many people to leave the franchise and for their games that are trying to reach another fanbase instead of the huge one they already held but lost which they easily could take back.
> > > But they are failing to reach that audience, they’re just hurting the franchise more than trying to heal it by trying to reach another audience which already have a game that is perfect for them, Call of Duty.
> > >
> > > I’m not saying Halo 5 is like CoD. Though it plays like it. Not mechanic wise, but strategy wise and pace wise. The killtimes are low, the movement is fast and the map design allows you to go from one corner to the other in a millisecond which will only bring up harder spawncamping and camping overall.
> > >
> > > There are hundreds of reasons why to dislike Halo 5 and reasons to why it’s worse than other Halo’s when compared to them than there are reasons to why it’s a HALO game.
> > > As a standalone game Halo 5 will be great, but compared to other Halo’s, nah, it’s not parring up.
> > >
> > > And keep in mind that this is from the MP perspective, not campaign. I already said that the campaign might be great but for me it doesn’t really matter. The campaign can’t hold the game up by itself and that’s why the MP is there.
> >
> >
> > When have I ever labeled you as a bad guy? And just because I like 343 and Halo 5 that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have any reasonable opposition. I’m not untouchable, the people who support Halo 5 and 343 on here are more prone to being insulted than anyone else.
>
>
> Now why do you think that is? Why are those who defend 343i get more insulted when they are the one’s who started the whole shazzam with “Oh you’re just a hater, adapt or leave the franchise you hater. You’re just a BK”.
> When 343i asked for feedback of Halo 5 I did my very first thread regarding of what I disliked, what I liked and what I think could solve what I disliked but still kept the game what it is. And of course some of the first comments to that were 343i whiteknights/keyboardwarriors who just bashed me for not being able to adapt or being bad at the game even though I’ve beaten them multiple times online on their hosts.
>
> Of course there are those who are against 343i and do the same, just being completily rude or -Yoinks!- but those don’t accur to come up as often as those who defend 343i in the same kind of way.
>
> I say that either both parties get equally offended and insulted or the party that is against 343i because they’re not only getting bashed by the whiteknights but also by 343i themselves with their transparency, ignorance to our questions and just slap-in-the-face answers.
>
> “How come you chose to have sprint in the game when it brings more negativety than possitvety in terms of game mechanics and these other things”.
> “Oh well the first thing we think about when we created Halo 4 and 5 is the immersion into the game blah blah we just want the game to look and feel realistic and the game functionality comes the last”
> That is a summuary of what they said when over at the BEYOND ENTERTAINEMNT forums.
> And once we ask something like “why priorotize immersion over functional and working mechancis” they just turn the other face around, let a tear drop and say “You’re just haters”.
>
> I feel spitted on when they came out with that post. I felt abused and violated whilst those who defended 343i just laughed at us and called us stupid.
>
> Your thread is about shaming the “haters” of 343i from what I’ve understood and I just question, do you feel good about it? Does it feel good to bash someone so deep into the ground so they have no voice anymore so that you can claim yourself as the victorious one?

All I’ve said is that I don’t like when people blindly hate on 343. People can be constructive, respective and intelligent with their discussions and I have nothing against those people, even if their opinions directly oppose mine.

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> > > > There are many many other reasons to why people dislike 343i than just artstyle, sound or anything else that is 343i related.
> > > >
> > > > As you mentioned they made these changes to Halo 5:
> > > >
> > > > - Equal Starts
> > > > - Power Weapons on Map
> > > > - Map Control
> > > > - Remove Ordnance
> > > > - Remove Loadouts
> > > > - Nerf Sprint
> > > > - Remove Armor Abilities
> > > > - Remove Perks
> > > > But what they’ve changed about some of those points is what we dislike.
> > > > The powerweapons on map is nice, it was even there on Halo 4 so I don’t know why you bring it up but some of us complain about them being visible from anywhere of the map, to everyone, with a waypoint. And they even announce when it spawns. Some of us don’t like that, we think it’s unfair for X reasons.
> > > > The map controll is debatable but I’m going to stay on the side where it has been heavily decreased with the years and Halo 5 is another step into that way.
> > > > Sprint nerf. I don’t care how much they nerf it, as long as it’s in there it is bad for map design, map movement, game pace, weapon behavior and other mechanics such as jump height, “walk” speed, Melee, spawn timers, spawns so on so forth.
> > > >
> > > > If you think that we who hate Halo 5 or 343i only have ridiculus arguments or hate them for the sake of hate then I ask, why do you love them? For turning the franchise into almost any other shooter game as of today? When it comes to campaign I can give 343i some slack but since I’m a MP guy, I’m not really.
> > > >
> > > > But what I wonder the most is…Why is it okay for people like you, who like 343i, to go on these forums and tell how much you adore 343i and their creations without getting bashed whilst we who dislike them are seen as sinners and should be burned on poles just because we think in the different direction? Isn’t that a double standard? It is, and it’s just pure BS.
> > > >
> > > > Complaining on 343i’s changes are just as valid as complimenting them. I will continue to bash 343i for their ignorance towards the community, for the games they’ve created that have made so many people to leave the franchise and for their games that are trying to reach another fanbase instead of the huge one they already held but lost which they easily could take back.
> > > > But they are failing to reach that audience, they’re just hurting the franchise more than trying to heal it by trying to reach another audience which already have a game that is perfect for them, Call of Duty.
> > > >
> > > > I’m not saying Halo 5 is like CoD. Though it plays like it. Not mechanic wise, but strategy wise and pace wise. The killtimes are low, the movement is fast and the map design allows you to go from one corner to the other in a millisecond which will only bring up harder spawncamping and camping overall.
> > > >
> > > > There are hundreds of reasons why to dislike Halo 5 and reasons to why it’s worse than other Halo’s when compared to them than there are reasons to why it’s a HALO game.
> > > > As a standalone game Halo 5 will be great, but compared to other Halo’s, nah, it’s not parring up.
> > > >
> > > > And keep in mind that this is from the MP perspective, not campaign. I already said that the campaign might be great but for me it doesn’t really matter. The campaign can’t hold the game up by itself and that’s why the MP is there.
> > >
> > >
> > > When have I ever labeled you as a bad guy? And just because I like 343 and Halo 5 that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have any reasonable opposition. I’m not untouchable, the people who support Halo 5 and 343 on here are more prone to being insulted than anyone else.
> >
> >
> > Now why do you think that is? Why are those who defend 343i get more insulted when they are the one’s who started the whole shazzam with “Oh you’re just a hater, adapt or leave the franchise you hater. You’re just a BK”.
> > When 343i asked for feedback of Halo 5 I did my very first thread regarding of what I disliked, what I liked and what I think could solve what I disliked but still kept the game what it is. And of course some of the first comments to that were 343i whiteknights/keyboardwarriors who just bashed me for not being able to adapt or being bad at the game even though I’ve beaten them multiple times online on their hosts.
> >
> > Of course there are those who are against 343i and do the same, just being completily rude or -Yoinks!- but those don’t accur to come up as often as those who defend 343i in the same kind of way.
> >
> > I say that either both parties get equally offended and insulted or the party that is against 343i because they’re not only getting bashed by the whiteknights but also by 343i themselves with their transparency, ignorance to our questions and just slap-in-the-face answers.
> >
> > “How come you chose to have sprint in the game when it brings more negativety than possitvety in terms of game mechanics and these other things”.
> > “Oh well the first thing we think about when we created Halo 4 and 5 is the immersion into the game blah blah we just want the game to look and feel realistic and the game functionality comes the last”
> > That is a summuary of what they said when over at the BEYOND ENTERTAINEMNT forums.
> > And once we ask something like “why priorotize immersion over functional and working mechancis” they just turn the other face around, let a tear drop and say “You’re just haters”.
> >
> > I feel spitted on when they came out with that post. I felt abused and violated whilst those who defended 343i just laughed at us and called us stupid.
> >
> > Your thread is about shaming the “haters” of 343i from what I’ve understood and I just question, do you feel good about it? Does it feel good to bash someone so deep into the ground so they have no voice anymore so that you can claim yourself as the victorious one?
>
>
> All I’ve said is that I don’t like when people blindly hate on 343. People can be constructive, respective and intelligent with their discussions and I have nothing against those people, even if their opinions directly oppose mine.

Then you should say the same about those who blindly love on 343i. If you deny that blindly lovingon 343i isn’t as stupid as blindly hating on them then it’s just a double standard and we shouldn’t even listen to what you have to say.

Before you make this kind of thread, note both sides instead of just one THEN pick a side so that people know that you don’t just talk for the sake of talk.

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> > > > > 2533274843463464;5:
> > > > > There are many many other reasons to why people dislike 343i than just artstyle, sound or anything else that is 343i related.
> > > > >
> > > > > As you mentioned they made these changes to Halo 5:
> > > > >
> > > > > - Equal Starts
> > > > > - Power Weapons on Map
> > > > > - Map Control
> > > > > - Remove Ordnance
> > > > > - Remove Loadouts
> > > > > - Nerf Sprint
> > > > > - Remove Armor Abilities
> > > > > - Remove Perks
> > > > > But what they’ve changed about some of those points is what we dislike.
> > > > > The powerweapons on map is nice, it was even there on Halo 4 so I don’t know why you bring it up but some of us complain about them being visible from anywhere of the map, to everyone, with a waypoint. And they even announce when it spawns. Some of us don’t like that, we think it’s unfair for X reasons.
> > > > > The map controll is debatable but I’m going to stay on the side where it has been heavily decreased with the years and Halo 5 is another step into that way.
> > > > > Sprint nerf. I don’t care how much they nerf it, as long as it’s in there it is bad for map design, map movement, game pace, weapon behavior and other mechanics such as jump height, “walk” speed, Melee, spawn timers, spawns so on so forth.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you think that we who hate Halo 5 or 343i only have ridiculus arguments or hate them for the sake of hate then I ask, why do you love them? For turning the franchise into almost any other shooter game as of today? When it comes to campaign I can give 343i some slack but since I’m a MP guy, I’m not really.
> > > > >
> > > > > But what I wonder the most is…Why is it okay for people like you, who like 343i, to go on these forums and tell how much you adore 343i and their creations without getting bashed whilst we who dislike them are seen as sinners and should be burned on poles just because we think in the different direction? Isn’t that a double standard? It is, and it’s just pure BS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Complaining on 343i’s changes are just as valid as complimenting them. I will continue to bash 343i for their ignorance towards the community, for the games they’ve created that have made so many people to leave the franchise and for their games that are trying to reach another fanbase instead of the huge one they already held but lost which they easily could take back.
> > > > > But they are failing to reach that audience, they’re just hurting the franchise more than trying to heal it by trying to reach another audience which already have a game that is perfect for them, Call of Duty.
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m not saying Halo 5 is like CoD. Though it plays like it. Not mechanic wise, but strategy wise and pace wise. The killtimes are low, the movement is fast and the map design allows you to go from one corner to the other in a millisecond which will only bring up harder spawncamping and camping overall.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are hundreds of reasons why to dislike Halo 5 and reasons to why it’s worse than other Halo’s when compared to them than there are reasons to why it’s a HALO game.
> > > > > As a standalone game Halo 5 will be great, but compared to other Halo’s, nah, it’s not parring up.
> > > > >
> > > > > And keep in mind that this is from the MP perspective, not campaign. I already said that the campaign might be great but for me it doesn’t really matter. The campaign can’t hold the game up by itself and that’s why the MP is there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When have I ever labeled you as a bad guy? And just because I like 343 and Halo 5 that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have any reasonable opposition. I’m not untouchable, the people who support Halo 5 and 343 on here are more prone to being insulted than anyone else.
> > >
> > >
> > > Now why do you think that is? Why are those who defend 343i get more insulted when they are the one’s who started the whole shazzam with “Oh you’re just a hater, adapt or leave the franchise you hater. You’re just a BK”.
> > > When 343i asked for feedback of Halo 5 I did my very first thread regarding of what I disliked, what I liked and what I think could solve what I disliked but still kept the game what it is. And of course some of the first comments to that were 343i whiteknights/keyboardwarriors who just bashed me for not being able to adapt or being bad at the game even though I’ve beaten them multiple times online on their hosts.
> > >
> > > Of course there are those who are against 343i and do the same, just being completily rude or -Yoinks!- but those don’t accur to come up as often as those who defend 343i in the same kind of way.
> > >
> > > I say that either both parties get equally offended and insulted or the party that is against 343i because they’re not only getting bashed by the whiteknights but also by 343i themselves with their transparency, ignorance to our questions and just slap-in-the-face answers.
> > >
> > > “How come you chose to have sprint in the game when it brings more negativety than possitvety in terms of game mechanics and these other things”.
> > > “Oh well the first thing we think about when we created Halo 4 and 5 is the immersion into the game blah blah we just want the game to look and feel realistic and the game functionality comes the last”
> > > That is a summuary of what they said when over at the BEYOND ENTERTAINEMNT forums.
> > > And once we ask something like “why priorotize immersion over functional and working mechancis” they just turn the other face around, let a tear drop and say “You’re just haters”.
> > >
> > > I feel spitted on when they came out with that post. I felt abused and violated whilst those who defended 343i just laughed at us and called us stupid.
> > >
> > > Your thread is about shaming the “haters” of 343i from what I’ve understood and I just question, do you feel good about it? Does it feel good to bash someone so deep into the ground so they have no voice anymore so that you can claim yourself as the victorious one?
> >
> >
> > All I’ve said is that I don’t like when people blindly hate on 343. People can be constructive, respective and intelligent with their discussions and I have nothing against those people, even if their opinions directly oppose mine.
>
>
> Then you should say the same about those who blindly love on 343i. If you deny that blindly lovingon 343i isn’t as stupid as blindly hating on them then it’s just a double standard and we shouldn’t even listen to what you have to say.
>
> Before you make this kind of thread, note both sides instead of just one THEN pick a side so that people know that you don’t just talk for the sake of talk.

I never once said that blindly loving 343 was a good thing. Where are you pulling this from?

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Don’t forget the preorder bouns thing too. They got the crap beat out of them for that. “Oh no preorder bouns, screw you 343!!!”

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> A lot of people say 343 can’t make good games and use Halo 4 as an example, and most of those people say they want Bungie back, but if Bungie had continued to make Halo, do the fans really honestly expect Bungie to just discard all of the features they added in Reach? You’re right, 343 were just taking what Bungie already put into place and expanded on the features and added some new things. Plus, if Bungie had kept making Halo, Halo 4 may have actually been far worse than fans think it is now. Bungie was ready to let Halo go so they could work on Destiny. They put a lot of care and work into Reach, but they were done. Reach was the end for them, and if they had to make Halo 4 AND Destiny, I just don’t feel like that same love and care for the Halo series would be there in Halo 4 since they didn’t want to do it and since their love and care was with Destiny (opinions on Destiny aside)
>
> Honestly, I can’t think of any other studio that should be making Halo. 343 may not appeal to a lot of fans, maybe even most fans, but they have a deep care and love for the franchise, and they also have their own vision for how Halo should be. Personally, for their first game as a studio, I think they did pretty great on Halo 4. I don’t like EVERYTHING about the game, but they delivered a fully functional product with an awesome, emotional campaign and a multiplayer that appealed to several different kinds of fans (armor abilities are there for those who wanted them to stay, the BR came back after older fans asked for it, ect.). People say that Bungie cared about and listened to their fans, but as you stated, 343 do too. They just can’t possibly fully appeal to the entire fanbase, so they try to have something present in the game that appeals to each player. It’s better than just doing whatever they want with the games and not listening to fans at all
>
> I actually feel sorry for 343 honestly. Sure they all know about all the hate they get on the forums, and that’s just a fraction of the part of the Halo fanbase who hate on 343 and their work. They put years of hard work and undying love into a game just to have most of the community tear them down for it. They’re trying. They can’t just make a Halo 2/3 clone, nor can they just make a Halo 4 clone. I fully understand not liking certain parts of the game, I just wish people didn’t say things like “#343bola” and “Everyone at 343 should lose their jobs.” As 343 continue to make games and learn more and more what’s right and wrong for Halo and the community, they will improve and I feel that soon, they will have support from most of the fanbase instead of just a portion of it

Lol someone actually said 343bola?

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> There are many many other reasons to why people dislike 343i than just artstyle, sound or anything else that is 343i related.
>
> As you mentioned they made these changes to Halo 5:
>
> - Equal Starts
> - Power Weapons on Map
> - Map Control
> - Remove Ordnance
> - Remove Loadouts
> - Nerf Sprint
> - Remove Armor Abilities
> - Remove Perks
> But what they’ve changed about some of those points is what we dislike.
> The powerweapons on map is nice, it was even there on Halo 4 so I don’t know why you bring it up but some of us complain about them being visible from anywhere of the map, to everyone, with a waypoint. And they even announce when it spawns. Some of us don’t like that, we think it’s unfair for X reasons.
> The map controll is debatable but I’m going to stay on the side where it has been heavily decreased with the years and Halo 5 is another step into that way.
> Sprint nerf. I don’t care how much they nerf it, as long as it’s in there it is bad for map design, map movement, game pace, weapon behavior and other mechanics such as jump height, “walk” speed, Melee, spawn timers, spawns so on so forth.
>
> If you think that we who hate Halo 5 or 343i only have ridiculus arguments or hate them for the sake of hate then I ask, why do you love them? For turning the franchise into almost any other shooter game as of today? When it comes to campaign I can give 343i some slack but since I’m a MP guy, I’m not really.
>
> But what I wonder the most is…Why is it okay for people like you, who like 343i, to go on these forums and tell how much you adore 343i and their creations without getting bashed whilst we who dislike them are seen as sinners and should be burned on poles just because we think in the different direction? Isn’t that a double standard? It is, and it’s just pure BS. (He didn’t really go off on a 343 love fest. He said that he doesn’t agree with some of the changes they did with 4)
>
> Complaining on 343i’s changes are just as valid as complimenting them. I will continue to bash 343i for their ignorance towards the community, for the games they’ve created that have made so many people to leave the franchise and for their games that are trying to reach another fanbase instead of the huge one they already held but lost which they easily could take back.
> But they are failing to reach that audience, they’re just hurting the franchise more than trying to heal it by trying to reach another audience which already have a game that is perfect for them, Call of Duty.
>
> I’m not saying Halo 5 is like CoD. Though it plays like it. Not mechanic wise, but strategy wise and pace wise. The killtimes are low, the movement is fast and the map design allows you to go from one corner to the other in a millisecond which will only bring up harder spawncamping and camping overall. **the kill times aren’t really short, they’re going to be longer in the final game and felt nothing like cod in the beta (in terms of killtimes)**There are hundreds of reasons why to dislike Halo 5 and reasons to why it’s worse than other Halo’s when compared to them than there are reasons to why it’s a HALO game.
> As a standalone game Halo 5 will be great, but compared to other Halo’s, nah, it’s not parring up.
>
> And keep in mind that this is from the MP perspective, not campaign. I already said that the campaign might be great but for me it doesn’t really matter. The campaign can’t hold the game up by itself and that’s why the MP is there.

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> > 2533274908070201;3:
> > A lot of people say 343 can’t make good games and use Halo 4 as an example, and most of those people say they want Bungie back, but if Bungie had continued to make Halo, do the fans really honestly expect Bungie to just discard all of the features they added in Reach? You’re right, 343 were just taking what Bungie already put into place and expanded on the features and added some new things. Plus, if Bungie had kept making Halo, Halo 4 may have actually been far worse than fans think it is now. Bungie was ready to let Halo go so they could work on Destiny. They put a lot of care and work into Reach, but they were done. Reach was the end for them, and if they had to make Halo 4 AND Destiny, I just don’t feel like that same love and care for the Halo series would be there in Halo 4 since they didn’t want to do it and since their love and care was with Destiny (opinions on Destiny aside)
> >
> > Honestly, I can’t think of any other studio that should be making Halo. 343 may not appeal to a lot of fans, maybe even most fans, but they have a deep care and love for the franchise, and they also have their own vision for how Halo should be. Personally, for their first game as a studio, I think they did pretty great on Halo 4. I don’t like EVERYTHING about the game, but they delivered a fully functional product with an awesome, emotional campaign and a multiplayer that appealed to several different kinds of fans (armor abilities are there for those who wanted them to stay, the BR came back after older fans asked for it, ect.). People say that Bungie cared about and listened to their fans, but as you stated, 343 do too. They just can’t possibly fully appeal to the entire fanbase, so they try to have something present in the game that appeals to each player. It’s better than just doing whatever they want with the games and not listening to fans at all
> >
> > I actually feel sorry for 343 honestly. Sure they all know about all the hate they get on the forums, and that’s just a fraction of the part of the Halo fanbase who hate on 343 and their work. They put years of hard work and undying love into a game just to have most of the community tear them down for it. They’re trying. They can’t just make a Halo 2/3 clone, nor can they just make a Halo 4 clone. I fully understand not liking certain parts of the game, I just wish people didn’t say things like “#343bola” and “Everyone at 343 should lose their jobs.” As 343 continue to make games and learn more and more what’s right and wrong for Halo and the community, they will improve and I feel that soon, they will have support from most of the fanbase instead of just a portion of it
>
>
> Lol someone actually said 343bola?

Yep, I’m surprised you never saw it here on the forums. It was a new favorite thing to say after the Chief Collection came out and had all those issues. You can occasionally still find a 343bola clan tag on the Collection

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> > > > > > 2533274843463464;5:
> > > > > > There are many many other reasons to why people dislike 343i than just artstyle, sound or anything else that is 343i related.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you mentioned they made these changes to Halo 5:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Equal Starts
> > > > > > - Power Weapons on Map
> > > > > > - Map Control
> > > > > > - Remove Ordnance
> > > > > > - Remove Loadouts
> > > > > > - Nerf Sprint
> > > > > > - Remove Armor Abilities
> > > > > > - Remove Perks
> > > > > > But what they’ve changed about some of those points is what we dislike.
> > > > > > The powerweapons on map is nice, it was even there on Halo 4 so I don’t know why you bring it up but some of us complain about them being visible from anywhere of the map, to everyone, with a waypoint. And they even announce when it spawns. Some of us don’t like that, we think it’s unfair for X reasons.
> > > > > > The map controll is debatable but I’m going to stay on the side where it has been heavily decreased with the years and Halo 5 is another step into that way.
> > > > > > Sprint nerf. I don’t care how much they nerf it, as long as it’s in there it is bad for map design, map movement, game pace, weapon behavior and other mechanics such as jump height, “walk” speed, Melee, spawn timers, spawns so on so forth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you think that we who hate Halo 5 or 343i only have ridiculus arguments or hate them for the sake of hate then I ask, why do you love them? For turning the franchise into almost any other shooter game as of today? When it comes to campaign I can give 343i some slack but since I’m a MP guy, I’m not really.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But what I wonder the most is…Why is it okay for people like you, who like 343i, to go on these forums and tell how much you adore 343i and their creations without getting bashed whilst we who dislike them are seen as sinners and should be burned on poles just because we think in the different direction? Isn’t that a double standard? It is, and it’s just pure BS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Complaining on 343i’s changes are just as valid as complimenting them. I will continue to bash 343i for their ignorance towards the community, for the games they’ve created that have made so many people to leave the franchise and for their games that are trying to reach another fanbase instead of the huge one they already held but lost which they easily could take back.
> > > > > > But they are failing to reach that audience, they’re just hurting the franchise more than trying to heal it by trying to reach another audience which already have a game that is perfect for them, Call of Duty.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I’m not saying Halo 5 is like CoD. Though it plays like it. Not mechanic wise, but strategy wise and pace wise. The killtimes are low, the movement is fast and the map design allows you to go from one corner to the other in a millisecond which will only bring up harder spawncamping and camping overall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are hundreds of reasons why to dislike Halo 5 and reasons to why it’s worse than other Halo’s when compared to them than there are reasons to why it’s a HALO game.
> > > > > > As a standalone game Halo 5 will be great, but compared to other Halo’s, nah, it’s not parring up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And keep in mind that this is from the MP perspective, not campaign. I already said that the campaign might be great but for me it doesn’t really matter. The campaign can’t hold the game up by itself and that’s why the MP is there.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When have I ever labeled you as a bad guy? And just because I like 343 and Halo 5 that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have any reasonable opposition. I’m not untouchable, the people who support Halo 5 and 343 on here are more prone to being insulted than anyone else.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now why do you think that is? Why are those who defend 343i get more insulted when they are the one’s who started the whole shazzam with “Oh you’re just a hater, adapt or leave the franchise you hater. You’re just a BK”.
> > > > When 343i asked for feedback of Halo 5 I did my very first thread regarding of what I disliked, what I liked and what I think could solve what I disliked but still kept the game what it is. And of course some of the first comments to that were 343i whiteknights/keyboardwarriors who just bashed me for not being able to adapt or being bad at the game even though I’ve beaten them multiple times online on their hosts.
> > > >
> > > > Of course there are those who are against 343i and do the same, just being completily rude or -Yoinks!- but those don’t accur to come up as often as those who defend 343i in the same kind of way.
> > > >
> > > > I say that either both parties get equally offended and insulted or the party that is against 343i because they’re not only getting bashed by the whiteknights but also by 343i themselves with their transparency, ignorance to our questions and just slap-in-the-face answers.
> > > >
> > > > “How come you chose to have sprint in the game when it brings more negativety than possitvety in terms of game mechanics and these other things”.
> > > > “Oh well the first thing we think about when we created Halo 4 and 5 is the immersion into the game blah blah we just want the game to look and feel realistic and the game functionality comes the last”
> > > > That is a summuary of what they said when over at the BEYOND ENTERTAINEMNT forums.
> > > > And once we ask something like “why priorotize immersion over functional and working mechancis” they just turn the other face around, let a tear drop and say “You’re just haters”.
> > > >
> > > > I feel spitted on when they came out with that post. I felt abused and violated whilst those who defended 343i just laughed at us and called us stupid.
> > > >
> > > > Your thread is about shaming the “haters” of 343i from what I’ve understood and I just question, do you feel good about it? Does it feel good to bash someone so deep into the ground so they have no voice anymore so that you can claim yourself as the victorious one?
> > >
> > >
> > > All I’ve said is that I don’t like when people blindly hate on 343. People can be constructive, respective and intelligent with their discussions and I have nothing against those people, even if their opinions directly oppose mine.
> >
> >
> > Then you should say the same about those who blindly love on 343i. If you deny that blindly lovingon 343i isn’t as stupid as blindly hating on them then it’s just a double standard and we shouldn’t even listen to what you have to say.
> >
> > Before you make this kind of thread, note both sides instead of just one THEN pick a side so that people know that you don’t just talk for the sake of talk.
>
>
> I never once said that blindly loving 343 was a good thing. Where are you pulling this from?

You’re focusing on those who, according to you, blindly hate and not a single word on those who blindly love, this being your second such thread I’ve seen in a short period of time.

Also, you’re making everyone who likes 343 victims to the “blind haters”.

Even if we do not assume you say it’s okay to blindly love, leaving it out altogether means it matters less for you than blindly hating, or you think it’s less stupid than blindly hating. Becuase it’s left out.

So, the next time you go on to write another one of these long “I’m/We’re/They’re the victims” threads, either put both perspectives in or don’t post at all.

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I’m honestly more and more bored about that constant flame/hate that VG company are getting those days, it’s like an usual thing now. Some deserve it, some deserve it sometime, some other don’t… 343i for exemple don’t deserve it, not that amount at all.

I mean, It’s normal to say you don’t like Halo 4 (if you say it in a constructive way) since 343i tried some changes (that some people can not like) even if they were following what Bungie was doing with Reach. Yes you can complain about MCC , because 's not normal to release unfinished game, and that the game is still a bit broken now. But they are doing so much on the other side, and you haters just don’t care about it and stay focus on your pointless hate!

I play Halo since Halo CE on my PC in 2005, And i love what 343i is doing.
MCC is the best thing i could expect ! Soon we will have all Halo on one console and 1 game. It’s incredible and none did that before (No One Ever Made 4 different games that were in 3 differents plateforms with all their ORIGINAL SP and MP, you usually just get a Campaign bundle) ! It’s like the biggest fan service ever made, 4 game 60$ 1 new game 5$ reach will be prob 10/15$ maybe we will get Halo Wars. All my favorite franchise in one console WITH A REAL REWORK on Halo 2, not jsut a -Yoink- reedition, and under100$. Tell me who did something like that. On the same side we have a Tomb Rider Definitive Edition for XboxOne at 60$…
Now you say “they don’t listen to us”. Look at Halo 5 pls. All the changes they made are because they listened to the complain on Halo 4. No loadout, no sprint while you are hit, now 300 perks and weapon all over the map. Just a simple new gen Halo 2/3. They also develop it with pro player to make the game the most competitive as possible AND with “The Sprint” you could follow a very interesting run about their changes and idea for the beta, and how they changed some stuff. So i won’t say they don’t listen t us, they listen as much as any other company listen to their customers.

The universe / lore is expanding and they are working so much on that, just look how awesome Hunt The Truth is.

The Halo franchise which was (honestly) going down,has been resurrected with MCC and all the work they do on the H5 reasing. The hype train is back again, and I can’t wait this E3 to see what they are hiding. I also bought my FIRST LIMITED EDITION ever!

They are doing work on the side of Halo (remake Waypoint, Halo Channel, Nightfall (even if it was not that good) which is awesome for people like me that want to know more about the lore and Halo in general.

I think 343 get more hate that what they really deserve, and you people should stop perma Q.Q for nothing.

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> > > > > > There are many many other reasons to why people dislike 343i than just artstyle, sound or anything else that is 343i related.
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> > > > > > As you mentioned they made these changes to Halo 5:
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> > > > > > - Equal Starts
> > > > > > - Power Weapons on Map
> > > > > > - Map Control
> > > > > > - Remove Ordnance
> > > > > > - Remove Loadouts
> > > > > > - Nerf Sprint
> > > > > > - Remove Armor Abilities
> > > > > > - Remove Perks
> > > > > > But what they’ve changed about some of those points is what we dislike.
> > > > > > The powerweapons on map is nice, it was even there on Halo 4 so I don’t know why you bring it up but some of us complain about them being visible from anywhere of the map, to everyone, with a waypoint. And they even announce when it spawns. Some of us don’t like that, we think it’s unfair for X reasons.
> > > > > > The map controll is debatable but I’m going to stay on the side where it has been heavily decreased with the years and Halo 5 is another step into that way.
> > > > > > Sprint nerf. I don’t care how much they nerf it, as long as it’s in there it is bad for map design, map movement, game pace, weapon behavior and other mechanics such as jump height, “walk” speed, Melee, spawn timers, spawns so on so forth.
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> > > > > > If you think that we who hate Halo 5 or 343i only have ridiculus arguments or hate them for the sake of hate then I ask, why do you love them? For turning the franchise into almost any other shooter game as of today? When it comes to campaign I can give 343i some slack but since I’m a MP guy, I’m not really.
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> > > > > > But what I wonder the most is…Why is it okay for people like you, who like 343i, to go on these forums and tell how much you adore 343i and their creations without getting bashed whilst we who dislike them are seen as sinners and should be burned on poles just because we think in the different direction? Isn’t that a double standard? It is, and it’s just pure BS.
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> > > > > > Complaining on 343i’s changes are just as valid as complimenting them. I will continue to bash 343i for their ignorance towards the community, for the games they’ve created that have made so many people to leave the franchise and for their games that are trying to reach another fanbase instead of the huge one they already held but lost which they easily could take back.
> > > > > > But they are failing to reach that audience, they’re just hurting the franchise more than trying to heal it by trying to reach another audience which already have a game that is perfect for them, Call of Duty.
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> > > > > > I’m not saying Halo 5 is like CoD. Though it plays like it. Not mechanic wise, but strategy wise and pace wise. The killtimes are low, the movement is fast and the map design allows you to go from one corner to the other in a millisecond which will only bring up harder spawncamping and camping overall.
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> > > > > > There are hundreds of reasons why to dislike Halo 5 and reasons to why it’s worse than other Halo’s when compared to them than there are reasons to why it’s a HALO game.
> > > > > > As a standalone game Halo 5 will be great, but compared to other Halo’s, nah, it’s not parring up.
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> > > > > > And keep in mind that this is from the MP perspective, not campaign. I already said that the campaign might be great but for me it doesn’t really matter. The campaign can’t hold the game up by itself and that’s why the MP is there.
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> > > > > When have I ever labeled you as a bad guy? And just because I like 343 and Halo 5 that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have any reasonable opposition. I’m not untouchable, the people who support Halo 5 and 343 on here are more prone to being insulted than anyone else.
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> > > > Now why do you think that is? Why are those who defend 343i get more insulted when they are the one’s who started the whole shazzam with “Oh you’re just a hater, adapt or leave the franchise you hater. You’re just a BK”.
> > > > When 343i asked for feedback of Halo 5 I did my very first thread regarding of what I disliked, what I liked and what I think could solve what I disliked but still kept the game what it is. And of course some of the first comments to that were 343i whiteknights/keyboardwarriors who just bashed me for not being able to adapt or being bad at the game even though I’ve beaten them multiple times online on their hosts.
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> > > > Of course there are those who are against 343i and do the same, just being completily rude or -Yoinks!- but those don’t accur to come up as often as those who defend 343i in the same kind of way.
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> > > > I say that either both parties get equally offended and insulted or the party that is against 343i because they’re not only getting bashed by the whiteknights but also by 343i themselves with their transparency, ignorance to our questions and just slap-in-the-face answers.
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> > > > “How come you chose to have sprint in the game when it brings more negativety than possitvety in terms of game mechanics and these other things”.
> > > > “Oh well the first thing we think about when we created Halo 4 and 5 is the immersion into the game blah blah we just want the game to look and feel realistic and the game functionality comes the last”
> > > > That is a summuary of what they said when over at the BEYOND ENTERTAINEMNT forums.
> > > > And once we ask something like “why priorotize immersion over functional and working mechancis” they just turn the other face around, let a tear drop and say “You’re just haters”.
> > > >
> > > > I feel spitted on when they came out with that post. I felt abused and violated whilst those who defended 343i just laughed at us and called us stupid.
> > > >
> > > > Your thread is about shaming the “haters” of 343i from what I’ve understood and I just question, do you feel good about it? Does it feel good to bash someone so deep into the ground so they have no voice anymore so that you can claim yourself as the victorious one?
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> > > All I’ve said is that I don’t like when people blindly hate on 343. People can be constructive, respective and intelligent with their discussions and I have nothing against those people, even if their opinions directly oppose mine.
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> > Then you should say the same about those who blindly love on 343i. If you deny that blindly lovingon 343i isn’t as stupid as blindly hating on them then it’s just a double standard and we shouldn’t even listen to what you have to say.
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> > Before you make this kind of thread, note both sides instead of just one THEN pick a side so that people know that you don’t just talk for the sake of talk.
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> I never once said that blindly loving 343 was a good thing. Where are you pulling this from?

Well you’re not mentioning or including those kind of people in any kind of way so I assume, and probably many others, that you think it’s okay to blindly love 343i. Only ranting about those who blindly hate them then exclude those who blindly love also makes it look like it’s okay to blindly love them.

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> > > > > > > There are many many other reasons to why people dislike 343i than just artstyle, sound or anything else that is 343i related.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As you mentioned they made these changes to Halo 5:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Equal Starts
> > > > > > > - Power Weapons on Map
> > > > > > > - Map Control
> > > > > > > - Remove Ordnance
> > > > > > > - Remove Loadouts
> > > > > > > - Nerf Sprint
> > > > > > > - Remove Armor Abilities
> > > > > > > - Remove Perks
> > > > > > > But what they’ve changed about some of those points is what we dislike.
> > > > > > > The powerweapons on map is nice, it was even there on Halo 4 so I don’t know why you bring it up but some of us complain about them being visible from anywhere of the map, to everyone, with a waypoint. And they even announce when it spawns. Some of us don’t like that, we think it’s unfair for X reasons.
> > > > > > > The map controll is debatable but I’m going to stay on the side where it has been heavily decreased with the years and Halo 5 is another step into that way.
> > > > > > > Sprint nerf. I don’t care how much they nerf it, as long as it’s in there it is bad for map design, map movement, game pace, weapon behavior and other mechanics such as jump height, “walk” speed, Melee, spawn timers, spawns so on so forth.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you think that we who hate Halo 5 or 343i only have ridiculus arguments or hate them for the sake of hate then I ask, why do you love them? For turning the franchise into almost any other shooter game as of today? When it comes to campaign I can give 343i some slack but since I’m a MP guy, I’m not really.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But what I wonder the most is…Why is it okay for people like you, who like 343i, to go on these forums and tell how much you adore 343i and their creations without getting bashed whilst we who dislike them are seen as sinners and should be burned on poles just because we think in the different direction? Isn’t that a double standard? It is, and it’s just pure BS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Complaining on 343i’s changes are just as valid as complimenting them. I will continue to bash 343i for their ignorance towards the community, for the games they’ve created that have made so many people to leave the franchise and for their games that are trying to reach another fanbase instead of the huge one they already held but lost which they easily could take back.
> > > > > > > But they are failing to reach that audience, they’re just hurting the franchise more than trying to heal it by trying to reach another audience which already have a game that is perfect for them, Call of Duty.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I’m not saying Halo 5 is like CoD. Though it plays like it. Not mechanic wise, but strategy wise and pace wise. The killtimes are low, the movement is fast and the map design allows you to go from one corner to the other in a millisecond which will only bring up harder spawncamping and camping overall.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There are hundreds of reasons why to dislike Halo 5 and reasons to why it’s worse than other Halo’s when compared to them than there are reasons to why it’s a HALO game.
> > > > > > > As a standalone game Halo 5 will be great, but compared to other Halo’s, nah, it’s not parring up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And keep in mind that this is from the MP perspective, not campaign. I already said that the campaign might be great but for me it doesn’t really matter. The campaign can’t hold the game up by itself and that’s why the MP is there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When have I ever labeled you as a bad guy? And just because I like 343 and Halo 5 that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have any reasonable opposition. I’m not untouchable, the people who support Halo 5 and 343 on here are more prone to being insulted than anyone else.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now why do you think that is? Why are those who defend 343i get more insulted when they are the one’s who started the whole shazzam with “Oh you’re just a hater, adapt or leave the franchise you hater. You’re just a BK”.
> > > > > When 343i asked for feedback of Halo 5 I did my very first thread regarding of what I disliked, what I liked and what I think could solve what I disliked but still kept the game what it is. And of course some of the first comments to that were 343i whiteknights/keyboardwarriors who just bashed me for not being able to adapt or being bad at the game even though I’ve beaten them multiple times online on their hosts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course there are those who are against 343i and do the same, just being completily rude or -Yoinks!- but those don’t accur to come up as often as those who defend 343i in the same kind of way.
> > > > >
> > > > > I say that either both parties get equally offended and insulted or the party that is against 343i because they’re not only getting bashed by the whiteknights but also by 343i themselves with their transparency, ignorance to our questions and just slap-in-the-face answers.
> > > > >
> > > > > “How come you chose to have sprint in the game when it brings more negativety than possitvety in terms of game mechanics and these other things”.
> > > > > “Oh well the first thing we think about when we created Halo 4 and 5 is the immersion into the game blah blah we just want the game to look and feel realistic and the game functionality comes the last”
> > > > > That is a summuary of what they said when over at the BEYOND ENTERTAINEMNT forums.
> > > > > And once we ask something like “why priorotize immersion over functional and working mechancis” they just turn the other face around, let a tear drop and say “You’re just haters”.
> > > > >
> > > > > I feel spitted on when they came out with that post. I felt abused and violated whilst those who defended 343i just laughed at us and called us stupid.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your thread is about shaming the “haters” of 343i from what I’ve understood and I just question, do you feel good about it? Does it feel good to bash someone so deep into the ground so they have no voice anymore so that you can claim yourself as the victorious one?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All I’ve said is that I don’t like when people blindly hate on 343. People can be constructive, respective and intelligent with their discussions and I have nothing against those people, even if their opinions directly oppose mine.
> > >
> > >
> > > Then you should say the same about those who blindly love on 343i. If you deny that blindly lovingon 343i isn’t as stupid as blindly hating on them then it’s just a double standard and we shouldn’t even listen to what you have to say.
> > >
> > > Before you make this kind of thread, note both sides instead of just one THEN pick a side so that people know that you don’t just talk for the sake of talk.
> >
> >
> > I never once said that blindly loving 343 was a good thing. Where are you pulling this from?
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> You’re focusing on those who, according to you, blindly hate and not a single word on those who blindly love, this being your second such thread I’ve seen in a short period of time.
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> Also, you’re making everyone who likes 343 victims to the “blind haters”.
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> Even if we do not assume you say it’s okay to blindly love, leaving it out altogether means it matters less for you than blindly hating, or you think it’s less stupid than blindly hating. Becuase it’s left out.
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> So, the next time you go on to write another one of these long “I’m/We’re/They’re the victims” threads, either put both perspectives in or don’t post at all.

It’s left out because it wasn’t the topic of discussion. Don’t just assume things.