People don't seem to understand.

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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> I don’t think it’s being turned into cod, but it’s definitely becoming more generic, like it had some halo aspects in the gameplay(while I agree equal starts is not all that halo is, it is part of it at least), but it also has un halo aspects, and those un halo aspects hinder the game significantly, keeping it from reaching its full potential.

To me, I think it’s on its way to become CoD. The musical score went from ancient and epic to techno and underwhelming, classic weapon designs hmmSPNKR being changed to fit a modern military interpretation, changing features on weapons that are functionally the same for no reason other than to appeal to kids who need every game to play their favorite modern military shooter. Is it still Halo? Yes, but it’s on its way out. And with people like Readyuplive and Halo5follower leading the hype (remember how good Halo 4 turned out to be after riding that hype train?) the vast majority will side with them, forgetting how all of these new abilities are impacting the game.

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Kill times × a thousand!!! Where have you been this whole time?! I thought I was the only one! Kill times are THE biggest issue in H5. There are certainly others but the greatness that is Halo is being able to get shot and turn and kill a dude/chick or 2 with LEARNED game mechanics. Can’t respond with military shooter like kill times.

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> > I don’t think it’s being turned into cod, but it’s definitely becoming more generic, like it had some halo aspects in the gameplay(while I agree equal starts is not all that halo is, it is part of it at least), but it also has un halo aspects, and those un halo aspects hinder the game significantly, keeping it from reaching its full potential.
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> To me, I think it’s on its way to become CoD. The musical score went from ancient and epic to techno and underwhelming, classic weapon designs hmmSPNKR being changed to fit a modern military interpretation, changing features on weapons that are functionally the same for no reason other than to appeal to kids who need every game to play their favorite modern military shooter. Is it still Halo? Yes, but it’s on its way out. And with people like Readyuplive and Halo5follower leading the hype (remember how good Halo 4 turned out to be after riding that hype train?) the vast majority will side with them, forgetting how all of these new abilities are impacting the game.

^ nailed it

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> > > I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
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> > > 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us. Its bad when we have to celebrate the removal of new features and praise the reintroduction of old ones.
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> > > There’s a sprint toggle now? So what, they weren’t planning it before?
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> > > Equal starts and map control/power weapons? Again, the fact that they needed community feedback to put these staples back in the franchise is a real clear sign of how incompetent these clowns are. But of course, I “hate change” and should go play MCC if I want classic Halo.
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> > > Oh wait, it’s broken.
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> > People like you should shut up, i have read countless times how reach did not feel like halo, but when 4 released, reach felt like Halo, and 4 did not. People hated 4, being to cod-like killing the franchise yadi yadi yada… And now people are saying h5 doesnt feel like halo while 4 does, plz before you comment think about how it affects the community and your surroundings.
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> > And you obvoiusly dont like what 343 has done so far with 4 and now 5, why are you here then? A forum about halo games that is made by the people you hate, just find something selse to do, plz…
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> I’m here because I have an opinion, just like you. People like YOU should shut up, because you obviously have no idea what Halo feels like. Oh wait, that argument doesn’t work? Neither does yours. You’re probably the same guy who defends the MCC’s problems and how Halo 4 “evolved” the franchise. Enjoy Halo 5 having the same 3 month lifespan as Halo 4. It IS being Codified, just wait until they use the low population numbers in MCC as an excuse to claim classic Halo isn’t well received and further “evolve” Halo by just copy and pasting features from other games instead of making actual meaningful change to their game.

Daaaaaammmn. Got 'em coach.

Can I buy you a drink?

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> > > > I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
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> > > > 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us. Its bad when we have to celebrate the removal of new features and praise the reintroduction of old ones.
> > > >
> > > > There’s a sprint toggle now? So what, they weren’t planning it before?
> > > >
> > > > Equal starts and map control/power weapons? Again, the fact that they needed community feedback to put these staples back in the franchise is a real clear sign of how incompetent these clowns are. But of course, I “hate change” and should go play MCC if I want classic Halo.
> > > >
> > > > Oh wait, it’s broken.
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> > > People like you should shut up, i have read countless times how reach did not feel like halo, but when 4 released, reach felt like Halo, and 4 did not. People hated 4, being to cod-like killing the franchise yadi yadi yada… And now people are saying h5 doesnt feel like halo while 4 does, plz before you comment think about how it affects the community and your surroundings.
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> > > And you obvoiusly dont like what 343 has done so far with 4 and now 5, why are you here then? A forum about halo games that is made by the people you hate, just find something selse to do, plz…
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> > I’m here because I have an opinion, just like you. People like YOU should shut up, because you obviously have no idea what Halo feels like. Oh wait, that argument doesn’t work? Neither does yours. You’re probably the same guy who defends the MCC’s problems and how Halo 4 “evolved” the franchise. Enjoy Halo 5 having the same 3 month lifespan as Halo 4. It IS being Codified, just wait until they use the low population numbers in MCC as an excuse to claim classic Halo isn’t well received and further “evolve” Halo by just copy and pasting features from other games instead of making actual meaningful change to their game.
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> Daaaaaammmn. Got 'em coach.
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> Can I buy you a drink?

You most certainly can :smiley:

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> I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
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> 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us. Its bad when we have to celebrate the removal of new features and praise the reintroduction of old ones.
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> There’s a sprint toggle now? So what, they weren’t planning it before?
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> Equal starts and map control/power weapons? Again, the fact that they needed community feedback to put these staples back in the franchise is a real clear sign of how incompetent these clowns are. But of course, I “hate change” and should go play MCC if I want classic Halo.
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> Oh wait, it’s broken.

trying to reinvent the wheel when the existing wheel works fine why?

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> > I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
> >
> > 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us. Its bad when we have to celebrate the removal of new features and praise the reintroduction of old ones.
> >
> > There’s a sprint toggle now? So what, they weren’t planning it before?
> >
> > Equal starts and map control/power weapons? Again, the fact that they needed community feedback to put these staples back in the franchise is a real clear sign of how incompetent these clowns are. But of course, I “hate change” and should go play MCC if I want classic Halo.
> >
> > Oh wait, it’s broken.
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> trying to reinvent the wheel when the existing wheel works fine why?

Precisely. 343 hires the kind of people who think square wheels are the next big thing.

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> > > I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
> > >
> > > 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us. Its bad when we have to celebrate the removal of new features and praise the reintroduction of old ones.
> > >
> > > There’s a sprint toggle now? So what, they weren’t planning it before?
> > >
> > > Equal starts and map control/power weapons? Again, the fact that they needed community feedback to put these staples back in the franchise is a real clear sign of how incompetent these clowns are. But of course, I “hate change” and should go play MCC if I want classic Halo.
> > >
> > > Oh wait, it’s broken.
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> > trying to reinvent the wheel when the existing wheel works fine why?
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> Precisely. 343 hires the kind of people who think square wheels are the next big thing.

What makes you guys think MS brought them here to give us the same wheel? 343 never promissed a classic halo. They said they will bring it back to its arena roots and make the changes that do not go against their vision.

They are are straight not here to give us a bungie of old halo. I say of hold cause I wouldn’t trust today’s bungie to give me a classic halo either

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> > > > I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
> > > >
> > > > 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us. Its bad when we have to celebrate the removal of new features and praise the reintroduction of old ones.
> > > >
> > > > There’s a sprint toggle now? So what, they weren’t planning it before?
> > > >
> > > > Equal starts and map control/power weapons? Again, the fact that they needed community feedback to put these staples back in the franchise is a real clear sign of how incompetent these clowns are. But of course, I “hate change” and should go play MCC if I want classic Halo.
> > > >
> > > > Oh wait, it’s broken.
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> > > trying to reinvent the wheel when the existing wheel works fine why?
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> > Precisely. 343 hires the kind of people who think square wheels are the next big thing.
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> What makes you guys think MS brought them here to give us the same wheel? 343 never promissed a classic halo. They said they will bring it back to its arena roots and make the changes that do not go against their vision.
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> They are are straight not here to give us a bungie of old halo. I say of hold cause I wouldn’t trust today’s bungie to give me a classic halo either

Whether or not they promised they would give us one is irrelevant. Their “vision” is a high sale, low retention shooter that rakes in cash but will ultimately lose its population in a rather quick time. Cue 343 promising they will make the next one better and that mistakes were made on this one, and they can go at it forever. Would I trust Bungie to deliver us a classic Halo experience? No. Especially not with the team that created Destiny.

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> > > I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
> > >
> > > 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us. Its bad when we have to celebrate the removal of new features and praise the reintroduction of old ones.
> > >
> > > There’s a sprint toggle now? So what, they weren’t planning it before?
> > >
> > > Equal starts and map control/power weapons? Again, the fact that they needed community feedback to put these staples back in the franchise is a real clear sign of how incompetent these clowns are. But of course, I “hate change” and should go play MCC if I want classic Halo.
> > >
> > > Oh wait, it’s broken.
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> > People like you should shut up, i have read countless times how reach did not feel like halo, but when 4 released, reach felt like Halo, and 4 did not. People hated 4, being to cod-like killing the franchise yadi yadi yada… And now people are saying h5 doesnt feel like halo while 4 does, plz before you comment think about how it affects the community and your surroundings.
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> > And you obvoiusly dont like what 343 has done so far with 4 and now 5, why are you here then? A forum about halo games that is made by the people you hate, just find something selse to do, plz…
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> I’m here because I have an opinion, just like you. People like YOU should shut up, because you obviously have no idea what Halo feels like. Oh wait, that argument doesn’t work? Neither does yours. You’re probably the same guy who defends the MCC’s problems and how Halo 4 “evolved” the franchise. Enjoy Halo 5 having the same 3 month lifespan as Halo 4. It IS being Codified, just wait until they use the low population numbers in MCC as an excuse to claim classic Halo isn’t well received and further “evolve” Halo by just copy and pasting features from other games instead of making actual meaningful change to their game.

Hey guess what YOU’RE THE PROBLEM WITH HALO and the community. See what I did there? Exact same thing you did and we all have different opinions. Him telling someone to leave and you telling him to shut and go and say he is the problem, IS CAUSING more problems!

Lol It doesn’t make you look any better except to some immature people who apparently like what you said. Thus the “I owe you a drink!” (Aka let’s circle jerk each other off cuz we have the same opinions!) Like wtf is this high school or something with some of you people?

Like holy, crap the amount of hypocrisy that you have. You also made grand sweeping genealizations, again like many others here, with the whole last part of your whining.

Wth does Codified even mean? You just make something else up with ambiguous and believe to spread and tell rumors to everyone else on here? Just because that’s what make sense in your head? No. It is not the game, it’s you and how “you” think meaningful change should be. A minority might agree with you, but that’s it, a minority.

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> > > > I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
> > > >
> > > > 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us. Its bad when we have to celebrate the removal of new features and praise the reintroduction of old ones.
> > > >
> > > > There’s a sprint toggle now? So what, they weren’t planning it before?
> > > >
> > > > Equal starts and map control/power weapons? Again, the fact that they needed community feedback to put these staples back in the franchise is a real clear sign of how incompetent these clowns are. But of course, I “hate change” and should go play MCC if I want classic Halo.
> > > >
> > > > Oh wait, it’s broken.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > People like you should shut up, i have read countless times how reach did not feel like halo, but when 4 released, reach felt like Halo, and 4 did not. People hated 4, being to cod-like killing the franchise yadi yadi yada… And now people are saying h5 doesnt feel like halo while 4 does, plz before you comment think about how it affects the community and your surroundings.
> > >
> > > And you obvoiusly dont like what 343 has done so far with 4 and now 5, why are you here then? A forum about halo games that is made by the people you hate, just find something selse to do, plz…
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> >
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> > I’m here because I have an opinion, just like you. People like YOU should shut up, because you obviously have no idea what Halo feels like. Oh wait, that argument doesn’t work? Neither does yours. You’re probably the same guy who defends the MCC’s problems and how Halo 4 “evolved” the franchise. Enjoy Halo 5 having the same 3 month lifespan as Halo 4. It IS being Codified, just wait until they use the low population numbers in MCC as an excuse to claim classic Halo isn’t well received and further “evolve” Halo by just copy and pasting features from other games instead of making actual meaningful change to their game.
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> Hey guess what YOU’RE THE PROBLEM WITH HALO and the community. See what I did there? Exact same thing you did and we all have different opinions. Him telling someone to leave and you telling him to shut and go and say he is the problem, IS CAUSING more problems!
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> Lol It doesn’t make you look any better except to some immature people who apparently like what you said. Thus the “I owe you a drink!” (Aka let’s circle jerk each other off cuz we have the same opinions!) Like wtf is this high school or something with some of you people?
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> Like holy, crap the amount of hypocrisy that you have. You also made grand sweeping genealizations, again like many others here, with the whole last part of your whining.
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> Wth does Codified even mean? You just make something else up with ambiguous and believe to spread and tell rumors to everyone else on here? Just because that’s what make sense in your head? No. It is not the game, it’s you and how “you” think meaningful change should be. A minority might agree with you, but that’s it, a minority.

Well the reason i responded that way was because of the amount of constant negativity and unconstructive critisizm 343 recieves, i just blew up, sorry for overreacting, but as a halo fan it really hurts to see trolls everywhere, i guess i fought a lost cause…

And no i never defended TMCC, if you would stop being that ignorant, you would know that i made a thread where i let out my frustraiton about tmcc severe problems. Yes i do like h4, but i am a casual mp guy, i am more in for the campaign, and then i like playing mp, to have some fun and get better, anyway i apologize if i sounded stupid.

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> I don’t think it’s being turned into cod, but it’s definitely becoming more generic, like it had some halo aspects in the gameplay(while I agree equal starts is not all that halo is, it is part of it at least), but it also has un halo aspects, and those un halo aspects hinder the game significantly, keeping it from reaching its full potential.

That is fair to say, and I agree. I just tried to explain the generic-ness by comparing it to the twitch military shooters out there. I could see where what I said was a little confusing.

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> > > > I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
> > > >
> > > > 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us. Its bad when we have to celebrate the removal of new features and praise the reintroduction of old ones.
> > > >
> > > > There’s a sprint toggle now? So what, they weren’t planning it before?
> > > >
> > > > Equal starts and map control/power weapons? Again, the fact that they needed community feedback to put these staples back in the franchise is a real clear sign of how incompetent these clowns are. But of course, I “hate change” and should go play MCC if I want classic Halo.
> > > >
> > > > Oh wait, it’s broken.
> > >
> > >
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> > > trying to reinvent the wheel when the existing wheel works fine why?
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> > Precisely. 343 hires the kind of people who think square wheels are the next big thing.
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> What makes you guys think MS brought them here to give us the same wheel? 343 never promissed a classic halo. They said they will bring it back to its arena roots and make the changes that do not go against their vision.
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> They are are straight not here to give us a bungie of old halo. I say of hold cause I wouldn’t trust today’s bungie to give me a classic halo either

When 343i/Microsoft said that Halo is coming back it is expected that it is actually Halo and not a generic shooter with the Halo name attached to it. It’s like saying that Star Trek is coming back and then turning it into a mindless action movie. Oh wait…

That’s not what fans of the series want. When they are told that something is coming back they are actually expecting it to come back.

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> > I’ve read a lot of posts around here claiming that the beta “felt like Halo” because it brought back equal starts and static weapon spawns. While those are definitely a nice touch, and are a step in the right direction it still doesn’t make it Halo. You could add those things to CoD, or Battlefield, or Titanfall and it would still clearly not be a Halo game. IMO Halo 4 felt more Halo than the beta did. The movement speed, kill times, visuals, and sounds were all more Halo than what I saw in the beta.
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> I mean, what can I say. I played the beta for three weeks and it felt like every other Halo game. You could absolutely add these features into CoD, Battlefield, or Titanfall and it wouldn’t be Halo but that’s irrelevant since this is Halo, not anything else.

You hardly even play halo, I would say you play all the fps regularly so you can’t tell a difference.

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> What the -Yoink- are you on about? Not only is there Halo arena gameplay, but you have your classc shields, weapons, hipfiring, modes, etc. To even say that Halo 4 MP even resembles Halo is plain stupidity.

Halo 4 felt like they took Halo 2/Halo 3 and added “modern” things to it, such as sprint ordnance, and perks. If you take all that away it is a very good Halo game, and the BTB gametype in the MCC shows that.

The beta felt like they took a generic military twitch shooter and added shields, static weapon spawns, hipfire, and even starts. In that regard it is more like Crysis and/or Destiny, which I think it is. The only thing keeping Halo 5 from being a full blown generic shooter is that hipfire is still a thing. But based on the direction 343i wanted to take it in the beta I am worried for Halo 6.

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Can we at least all agree that it’s absolutely hilarious how “CoD-ing” and “CoD-ifying” are insults of choice when talking about any game?

I mean that series is so bad that the franchise name has actually become a verb that’s used to describe when good games turn bad.

That’s some funny -Yoink- right there.

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Nice to know that someone else’s opinion bugs you enough to make a thread to call them wrong.

And this isn’t something you can be wrong with to begin with. Halo holds different meanings for different people.

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> I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
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> 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us.

You think Halo 4 was closer to “real” halo than this one? crazyness

And did you read the beta blog about all the changes they are making? Those changes came directly from community suggestions, so yes i would say they are doing a much better job at listening to us.

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> > I feel ya. Halo 4 feels closer to Halo than this one, and that game was a DISASTER.
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> > 343 keeps trying to “reinvent” Halo and look where it’s gotten them. Two horrible games, a split community, and absolutely zero willingness to listen to us.
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> You think Halo 4 was closer to “real” halo than this one? crazyness
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> And did you read the beta blog about all the changes they are making? Those changes came directly from community suggestions, so yes i would say they are doing a much better job at listening to us.

I agree with him. To me what makes Halo unique is the movement and gunplay. Halo 4 is much closer to “classic” Halo in these regards. Things like even starts and static spawns are not as important to me, expecially if they are going to come at the cost of the movement and gunplay. The changes Josh talked about in his blog are definitely a step in the right direction though.

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> Nice to know that someone else’s opinion bugs you enough to make a thread to call them wrong.
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> And this isn’t something you can be wrong with to begin with. Halo holds different meanings for different people.

Isn’t that was discussion is? If everyone just rolled over to everyone else’s opinion nothing would ever get done. And it is something that you can be wrong about. Wrong is all a point of view, so while it is wrong to me it doesn’t have to be wrong to you. That is what having opinions is.