People are being too extreme.

Games Halo Infinite
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I would like to make a touch of attention to the community. Since yesterday the number of aggressive messages has increased considerably. We should relax a little and reflect before writing the first thing that comes to mind.

I can understand that due to what was shown yesterday in the Halo Infinite demonstration, regarding the graphics, there is great discontent in the community. Justified discontent. But, we cannot allow the amount of aggressive messages that attack the 343 workers.

The Halo community has always been a respectful and mature community. And it must continue being it. If some people do not understand this, perhaps they should go to another community.

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i agree with this we are not the call of duty community we need to act more mature to this situation

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Sadly it is easy these days to judge the entirety, based on small select impressions. I get the whole issue people have with Infinite after the demo, but they forget to think beyond those mere 8 minutes of gameplay.

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It’s getting ridiculous, almost comically so. Folks are acting like 343 just desecrated the Mount of Olives or something of the like with the way they’re clutching pearls over this.

I get why folks are anxious, but if folks who take two seconds to pause and not work themselves up into a nostalgia-driven lathered frenzy of panic, it’s pretty clear that what was shown was an older version of the game when cross-referenced to the gameplay trailer shown after. The point was to show gameplay, and we got gameplay. And it looks GOOD. It looks FUN. It looks like HALO.

Then again, trying to reason with an angry mob is often fruitless. Too many determine what they consider truth these days by what they feel instead of what is.

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First of all the demo looked fun as hell and gameplay always trumps graphics. So it’s good to see the game performs well at a fundamental level. If all they need to do is add in textures and lighting then we’re in good hands.

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Really happy to see people expressing their satisfaction with the demo. All too often the negative voices are so much louder. I’m still super pumped for Infinite and can’t wait to see the final product!

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People are passionate about halo, they all have their concerns and just want it to be what they perceive as the best possible halo.
I can tell you I’m not entirely enthused about what I saw in the reveal . It disappointed me enough to actually come to the forums and state my concerns which I don’t do.
The only other time I’ve spent on a forum is the halo wars 2 forum because it shares two of my passions real time strategy games and halo.
So I don’t think it’s entirely bad it shows that many people still give a damn about halo despite its past failings.

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Its been 10 years. People are tired of disappointment after disappointment from 343.

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It’s nice to see some positive reactions from people. The demo looked really fun and to be honest, even if the graphics aren’t the best, if the gameplay and story are good I’ll be more than satisfied!

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> Its been 10 years. People are tired of disappointment after disappointment from 343.

I liked the story in Halo 4, I liked the gameplay in Halo 5. I think I’m gonna like both in Infinite.

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> Its been 10 years. People are tired of disappointment after disappointment from 343.

People are not disappointed. Nostalgic Bungie fans are disappointed, because that they insist on wanting 343 to be Bungie.

I have been playing Halo for 20 years, I have known how to enjoy and value every novelty, and every attempt by 343 to evolve the saga. And I have not become a bitter old man who only knows how to ask to return to the outdated mechanics of 20 years ago. And, of course, I have not become an aggressive user who only knows how to spit hate without contributing anything constructive.

It is time to accept reality. If you like Bungie, it is best that you go to Destiny and leave Halo forever.

(I do not mean you specifically with my comment)

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> > Its been 10 years. People are tired of disappointment after disappointment from 343.
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> People are not disappointed. Nostalgic Bungie fans are disappointed, because that they insist on wanting 343 to be Bungie.
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> I have been playing Halo for 20 years, I have known how to enjoy and value every novelty, and every attempt by 343 to evolve the saga. And I have not become a bitter old man who only knows how to ask to return to the outdated mechanics of 20 years ago. And, of course, I have not become an aggressive user who only knows how to spit hate without contributing anything constructive.
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> It is time to accept reality. If you like Bungie, it is best that you go to Destiny and leave Halo forever.
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> (I do not mean you specifically with my comment)

Lol how can you say that now 343 has admitted that they are looking to copy Bungie Halo in terms of “spiritual reboot” - art style, music, story elements etc.?

Luckily now it isn’t just the “Nostalgic Bungie fans” airing concerns, but the entire gaming community, and our unexpected allies in the mainstream media.

We should talk about how Halo Infinite looks • Eurogamer.net

> Halo Infinite looks like the fake plastic trees version of Halo, like a video game designed with Mega Bloks in mind. It pops in all the wrong places. The Brutes and their silly faces seem almost plonked down onto the battlefield like a child would arrange toys to bash about in their bedroom. It doesn’t feel grounded. It doesn’t feel like it has depth. It feels, well, surface level, smooth and uninteresting.

Why Halo Infinite Looks Like A Last-Gen Game | Screen Rant

> Halo Reach, a game that released 10 years ago on the Xbox 360, looks more modern than Halo Infinite on the Xbox Series X.

Hopefully with this push from gamers and the mainstream media, we can finally be listened to. Maybe not. “Bungie Halo” is Halo. There is no other Halo. They should have not thrown everything away in terms of art style like they did with 4. If you disagree with what I just said, you actually disagree with 343 themselves, as they intended to go back to “Bungie Halo” with “spiritual reboot” Infinite. They are clearly capable of making that because H2A campaign is exactly what we wanted in terms of graphics. Maybe with the mainstream media boost and the push from the gaming community they will finally listen…

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> > > 2535408243184272;8:
> > > Its been 10 years. People are tired of disappointment after disappointment from 343.
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> > People are not disappointed. Nostalgic Bungie fans are disappointed, because that they insist on wanting 343 to be Bungie.
> >
> > I have been playing Halo for 20 years, I have known how to enjoy and value every novelty, and every attempt by 343 to evolve the saga. And I have not become a bitter old man who only knows how to ask to return to the outdated mechanics of 20 years ago. And, of course, I have not become an aggressive user who only knows how to spit hate without contributing anything constructive.
> >
> > It is time to accept reality. If you like Bungie, it is best that you go to Destiny and leave Halo forever.
> >
> > (I do not mean you specifically with my comment)
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> Lol how can you say that now 343 has admitted that they are looking to copy Bungie Halo in terms of “spiritual reboot” - art style, music, story elements etc.?
>
> Luckily now it isn’t just the “Nostalgic Bungie fans” airing concerns, but the entire gaming community, and our unexpected allies in the mainstream media.
>
> We should talk about how Halo Infinite looks • Eurogamer.net
>
> > Halo Infinite looks like the fake plastic trees version of Halo, like a video game designed with Mega Bloks in mind. It pops in all the wrong places. The Brutes and their silly faces seem almost plonked down onto the battlefield like a child would arrange toys to bash about in their bedroom. It doesn’t feel grounded. It doesn’t feel like it has depth. It feels, well, surface level, smooth and uninteresting.
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> Why Halo Infinite Looks Like A Last-Gen Game | Screen Rant
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> > Halo Reach, a game that released 10 years ago on the Xbox 360, looks more modern than Halo Infinite on the Xbox Series X.
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> Hopefully with this push from gamers and the mainstream media, we can finally be listened to. Maybe not. “Bungie Halo” is Halo. There is no other Halo. They should have not thrown everything away in terms of art style like they did with 4. If you disagree with what I just said, you actually disagree with 343 themselves, as they intended to go back to “Bungie Halo” with “spiritual reboot” Infinite. They are clearly capable of making that because H2A campaign is exactly what we wanted in terms of graphics. Maybe with the mainstream media boost and the push from the gaming community they will finally listen…

The point is, I’ve never been in favor of 343 having to go back to Bungie’s artistic style. I have always argued that they must follow their own style. Much less to please a part of the community that I personally consider to be a lower number of people.

I know those statements from before, and I let myself be convinced because I really believed that they were going to mix the new with the old. Something that could really go wrong, or could go right. At the moment I think they really are complying. But even so, it has not been enough to convince this noisy sector that they do not know how to shout anything other than “Let Bungie return”, “Halo 343 is suck”, etc…, without contributing anything constructive.

And my problem is precisely that. That sector should not have been listened to at any time, and they should have continued to seek their own path. Otherwise they are falling into the mistake of not contenting absolutely anyone. I don’t want to defend 343, in fact I am very critical with the visual aspect of the game. But I am beginning to see how an ball is created without reason, that in the end will end up burning us all.

And this ball has been started by the nostalgic sector who do not like anything new because they have been stuck in Halo 3. You just have to go through the forum to see how the 343 workers are attacked, or who liked what was presented with comments such as “Go play -Yoink- Halo 5, zoomer” and other comments that are not at all typical of this community.

We cannot allow this to escalate into a whirlwind of outrageous hatred.

Edit: I would like to add that I am not denying that 343 should be criticized. But we cannot lose form.

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> > > Its been 10 years. People are tired of disappointment after disappointment from 343.
> >
> > People are not disappointed. Nostalgic Bungie fans are disappointed, because that they insist on wanting 343 to be Bungie.
> >
> > I have been playing Halo for 20 years, I have known how to enjoy and value every novelty, and every attempt by 343 to evolve the saga. And I have not become a bitter old man who only knows how to ask to return to the outdated mechanics of 20 years ago. And, of course, I have not become an aggressive user who only knows how to spit hate without contributing anything constructive.
> >
> > It is time to accept reality. If you like Bungie, it is best that you go to Destiny and leave Halo forever.
> >
> > (I do not mean you specifically with my comment)
>
> Lol how can you say that now 343 has admitted that they are looking to copy Bungie Halo in terms of “spiritual reboot” - art style, music, story elements etc.?
>
> Luckily now it isn’t just the “Nostalgic Bungie fans” airing concerns, but the entire gaming community, and our unexpected allies in the mainstream media.
>
> We should talk about how Halo Infinite looks • Eurogamer.net
>
> > Halo Infinite looks like the fake plastic trees version of Halo, like a video game designed with Mega Bloks in mind. It pops in all the wrong places. The Brutes and their silly faces seem almost plonked down onto the battlefield like a child would arrange toys to bash about in their bedroom. It doesn’t feel grounded. It doesn’t feel like it has depth. It feels, well, surface level, smooth and uninteresting.
>
> Why Halo Infinite Looks Like A Last-Gen Game | Screen Rant
>
> > Halo Reach, a game that released 10 years ago on the Xbox 360, looks more modern than Halo Infinite on the Xbox Series X.
>
> Hopefully with this push from gamers and the mainstream media, we can finally be listened to. Maybe not. “Bungie Halo” is Halo. There is no other Halo. They should have not thrown everything away in terms of art style like they did with 4. If you disagree with what I just said, you actually disagree with 343 themselves, as they intended to go back to “Bungie Halo” with “spiritual reboot” Infinite. They are clearly capable of making that because H2A campaign is exactly what we wanted in terms of graphics. Maybe with the mainstream media boost and the push from the gaming community they will finally listen…

You should never trust mainstream media to help push an agenda because 9 times out of 10 they are pushing their own agenda and it isn’t one helping this community to return Halo to what they "percieve’’ it should be. Also this level of negativity will cause one of two things, either one, the investers, mainstream media and even Microsoft will see the community as "Toxic gamers’’ and then start ignoring us completely, even likely agreeing with the Mainstream media bashing us. Or they will become discouraged and and Infinite and future games will suffer, as 343 would stop trying. Also this community does not understand compromise, do you not realise that 343 answers to Microsoft who in turn answers to investors that are the ones making the suggestions on what the game should be based of the statistics of the current market. 343 and Microsoft have to please these people, and if they say "Advanced Mobility’’ has to be in, then in some form it has to be, these are shareholders who invest a lot of money into these games, so Microsoft is usually going to bend to them, as that is where their money comes from, and 343 has to obey whatever decisions Microsoft makes. You are not going to ever get Bungies era gameplay, its just not going to happen, as they do not view that gameplay marketable to the masses. You will either get full “Advanced Mobility” or the closes thing to classic we are going to get with some elements of Advanced Mobility sprinked in.

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> > > > Its been 10 years. People are tired of disappointment after disappointment from 343.
> > >
> > > People are not disappointed. Nostalgic Bungie fans are disappointed, because that they insist on wanting 343 to be Bungie.
> > >
> > > I have been playing Halo for 20 years, I have known how to enjoy and value every novelty, and every attempt by 343 to evolve the saga. And I have not become a bitter old man who only knows how to ask to return to the outdated mechanics of 20 years ago. And, of course, I have not become an aggressive user who only knows how to spit hate without contributing anything constructive.
> > >
> > > It is time to accept reality. If you like Bungie, it is best that you go to Destiny and leave Halo forever.
> > >
> > > (I do not mean you specifically with my comment)
> >
> > Lol how can you say that now 343 has admitted that they are looking to copy Bungie Halo in terms of “spiritual reboot” - art style, music, story elements etc.?
> >
> > Luckily now it isn’t just the “Nostalgic Bungie fans” airing concerns, but the entire gaming community, and our unexpected allies in the mainstream media.
> >
> > We should talk about how Halo Infinite looks • Eurogamer.net
> >
> > > Halo Infinite looks like the fake plastic trees version of Halo, like a video game designed with Mega Bloks in mind. It pops in all the wrong places. The Brutes and their silly faces seem almost plonked down onto the battlefield like a child would arrange toys to bash about in their bedroom. It doesn’t feel grounded. It doesn’t feel like it has depth. It feels, well, surface level, smooth and uninteresting.
> >
> > Why Halo Infinite Looks Like A Last-Gen Game | Screen Rant
> >
> > > Halo Reach, a game that released 10 years ago on the Xbox 360, looks more modern than Halo Infinite on the Xbox Series X.
> >
> > Hopefully with this push from gamers and the mainstream media, we can finally be listened to. Maybe not. “Bungie Halo” is Halo. There is no other Halo. They should have not thrown everything away in terms of art style like they did with 4. If you disagree with what I just said, you actually disagree with 343 themselves, as they intended to go back to “Bungie Halo” with “spiritual reboot” Infinite. They are clearly capable of making that because H2A campaign is exactly what we wanted in terms of graphics. Maybe with the mainstream media boost and the push from the gaming community they will finally listen…
>
> You should never trust mainstream media to help push an agenda because 9 times out of 10 they are pushing their own agenda and it isn’t one helping this community to return Halo to what they "percieve’’ it should be. Also this level of negativity will cause one of two things, either one, the investers, mainstream media and even Microsoft will see the community as "Toxic gamers’’ and then start ignoring us completely, even likely agreeing with the Mainstream media bashing us. Or they will become discouraged and and Infinite and future games will suffer, as 343 would stop trying. Also this community does not understand compromise, do you not realise that 343 answers to Microsoft who in turn answers to investors that are the ones making the suggestions on what the game should be based of the statistics of the current market. 343 and Microsoft have to please these people, and if they say "Advanced Mobility’’ has to be in, then in some form it has to be, these are shareholders who invest a lot of money into these games, so Microsoft is usually going to bend to them, as that is where their money comes from, and 343 has to obey whatever decisions Microsoft makes. You are not going to ever get Bungies era gameplay, its just not going to happen, as they do not view that gameplay marketable to the masses. You will either get full “Advanced Mobility” or the closes thing to classic we are going to get with some elements of Advanced Mobility sprinked in.

Yea… err let’s ignore the Master Chief Collection and what that was all about… and how people wanted Classic Halo that badly on PC a modded version of Halo Online was created and Microsoft had to stop it and released MCC on PC themselves after seeing the business opportunity.

As for mainstream media, maybe they will be the ones who will finally get whoever is really making the decisions at 343/Microsoft to finally listen and make the changes we want. Because clearly, if we have learned anything since Bungie left and 343 took over, it is that us niche Halo fans alone who spend the time writing these forum posts aren’t enough to change 343/Microsoft’s mind on nearly anything. Maybe the push from the gaming community and the boost from the mainstream media is what we needed.

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> > > > > Its been 10 years. People are tired of disappointment after disappointment from 343.
> > > >
> > > > People are not disappointed. Nostalgic Bungie fans are disappointed, because that they insist on wanting 343 to be Bungie.
> > > >
> > > > I have been playing Halo for 20 years, I have known how to enjoy and value every novelty, and every attempt by 343 to evolve the saga. And I have not become a bitter old man who only knows how to ask to return to the outdated mechanics of 20 years ago. And, of course, I have not become an aggressive user who only knows how to spit hate without contributing anything constructive.
> > > >
> > > > It is time to accept reality. If you like Bungie, it is best that you go to Destiny and leave Halo forever.
> > > >
> > > > (I do not mean you specifically with my comment)
> > >
> > > Lol how can you say that now 343 has admitted that they are looking to copy Bungie Halo in terms of “spiritual reboot” - art style, music, story elements etc.?
> > >
> > > Luckily now it isn’t just the “Nostalgic Bungie fans” airing concerns, but the entire gaming community, and our unexpected allies in the mainstream media.
> > >
> > > We should talk about how Halo Infinite looks • Eurogamer.net
> > >
> > > > Halo Infinite looks like the fake plastic trees version of Halo, like a video game designed with Mega Bloks in mind. It pops in all the wrong places. The Brutes and their silly faces seem almost plonked down onto the battlefield like a child would arrange toys to bash about in their bedroom. It doesn’t feel grounded. It doesn’t feel like it has depth. It feels, well, surface level, smooth and uninteresting.
> > >
> > > Why Halo Infinite Looks Like A Last-Gen Game | Screen Rant
> > >
> > > > Halo Reach, a game that released 10 years ago on the Xbox 360, looks more modern than Halo Infinite on the Xbox Series X.
> > >
> > > Hopefully with this push from gamers and the mainstream media, we can finally be listened to. Maybe not. “Bungie Halo” is Halo. There is no other Halo. They should have not thrown everything away in terms of art style like they did with 4. If you disagree with what I just said, you actually disagree with 343 themselves, as they intended to go back to “Bungie Halo” with “spiritual reboot” Infinite. They are clearly capable of making that because H2A campaign is exactly what we wanted in terms of graphics. Maybe with the mainstream media boost and the push from the gaming community they will finally listen…
> >
> > You should never trust mainstream media to help push an agenda because 9 times out of 10 they are pushing their own agenda and it isn’t one helping this community to return Halo to what they "percieve’’ it should be. Also this level of negativity will cause one of two things, either one, the investers, mainstream media and even Microsoft will see the community as "Toxic gamers’’ and then start ignoring us completely, even likely agreeing with the Mainstream media bashing us. Or they will become discouraged and and Infinite and future games will suffer, as 343 would stop trying. Also this community does not understand compromise, do you not realise that 343 answers to Microsoft who in turn answers to investors that are the ones making the suggestions on what the game should be based of the statistics of the current market. 343 and Microsoft have to please these people, and if they say "Advanced Mobility’’ has to be in, then in some form it has to be, these are shareholders who invest a lot of money into these games, so Microsoft is usually going to bend to them, as that is where their money comes from, and 343 has to obey whatever decisions Microsoft makes. You are not going to ever get Bungies era gameplay, its just not going to happen, as they do not view that gameplay marketable to the masses. You will either get full “Advanced Mobility” or the closes thing to classic we are going to get with some elements of Advanced Mobility sprinked in.
>
> Yea… err let’s ignore the Master Chief Collection and what that was all about… and how people wanted Classic Halo that badly on PC a modded version of Halo Online was created and Microsoft had to stop it and released MCC on PC themselves after seeing the business opportunity.
>
> As for mainstream media, maybe they will be the ones who will finally get whoever is really making the decisions at 343/Microsoft to finally listen and make the changes we want. Because clearly, if we have learned anything since Bungie left and 343 took over, it is that us niche Halo fans alone who spend the time writing these forum posts aren’t enough to change 343/Microsoft’s mind on nearly anything. Maybe the push from the gaming community and the boost from the mainstream media is what we needed.

That is playing with fire though, you don’t know the intentions of that “Mainstream media” nor do you know the intentions of the outside game community that may have never played Halo, or if they have, have their own ‘‘version’’ of Halo they want Halo to become that may not align with any of our views. You are relying on ‘‘Allies’’ that really are not going to care all that much about our ramblings, heck many of them likely will only jump on the bandwagon solely because others are doing it, and they themselves really don’t care about the cause at hand. We have saw but a small portion of the over all campaign and have saw nothing about multiplayer to be jumping to these conclusions, and making these assumptions now, could only hinder Halo Infinite if 343 or Microsoft did get cold shoulders, because they are not going to understand what people like and don’t and will like view all criticism as " Oh they hate the entire game, welp lets go back to the drawing board once again for Halo 7’’ this is doing nothing but creating a endless loop of 343 having to reinvent the wheel with each game, and is a likely reason we keep seeing elements like Playable Elites, or Customization get jettisoned out as they don’t have the development time to dedicate to them, since they keep having to change everything and can’t simply sick to something, and move forward with that.