Peaceful movement for improving Halo 4

I don’t know if this thread will get as much attention as the GDC thread or get lost in a sea of negative posts, but it’s worth a shot.

We’re all here for the same reason: We care about Halo.

This passion we have for Halo may have gotten to us in our time of disappointment in the current state of the franchise. In fact, it got out of hand in regards to the harsh negative criticism on both sides: Developer and community.

I can’t speak on behalf of all of us, but from what I’ve seen the community is very disappointed in how the franchise is going downhill. Not only that, but the interaction we get from the company that’s continuing our beloved universe.

I won’t go in to detail on my views of the game in this post, but I implore you to please leave your thoughts and constructive criticism in a respectful and peaceful way so that 343i can see how we feel and how mature we can be when a serious matter comes about. Like the civil rights movement, peace was the way to get the equal view across and eventually have equal rights for all men of all races in the United states.

For a better future for this franchise, and for our sake and 343i’s: Let’s take a stand and voice our opinions peacefully.

Considering it’s been an hour (according to the forum) since this post was made, it seems pretty obvious most people would rather complain and be horridly negative rather than stow it and provide some constructive criticism in place of needless bashing.

I really feel like I need to rant (hopefully sensibly and w/ a level of level headedness) and maybe this is the place to do it. The bashing does need to stop. If anything, your opinion is less likely to be heard if you preface it with insults towards only people capable of making changes. 343 made an incredible campaign experience (my favorite since CE) and supplemented it w/ Spartan Ops. But w/ the multiplayer, they took a tried and tested formula and changed it for, what seems like, the sake of change. I’m sure by this point 343 has gotten enough feedback to know what the community wants. To this day, I don’t know why 343 didn’t use a PUBLIC beta to test this game. Bungie did one w/ Halo 3 despite the fact that they could have sold millions of copies of the game on the name alone. The past few months of Halo has felt like a never ending beta that I keep playing w/ the hope that maybe things will change. Every time I log on, the population numbers are a little bit less than the last time. Just the other day, I was playing w/ some guys I met in matchmaking and they didn’t believe me when I said the TU was already released. Everyone is waiting for this change that may or may not come. Maybe I’m thinking of it all wrong and that old-school “Halo multiplayer” ended with Halo 3. Maybe Reach and Halo 4 is just setting a new direction for the game. I’ll probably stick w/ this game for a bit longer just as I did w/ Reach…if only to give it a fair chance. But at a certain point I just have to face reality and give in to the fact that it won’t be what Halo once meant to me.

I will not say I don’t like Halo 4, because I’d be lying.
However, that doesn’t mean I’m content with it either.
And to see so many fans let down in such a way is very unsettling.

I know the men and women at 343 Industries are people just like us.
They’re playing a game they grew up with, and were raised on.
They know just as much about Halo as we do, if not more.
So I’m certain they genuinely care and are trying to provide us with an unforgettable Halo experience that we can consider our haven.
But like a kid riding without his training wheels, they’re a little wobbly.

343 Industries has the heart and the know-how to create a truly amazing game.
That I’m certain of.
The problem is that it’s being focused in the wrong places.
Like a Sniper Rifle, they have the potential to out-do anything and anybody.
All that’s needed is an accurate shot, right where it matters.

I’ll say it now so no one else needs to.
Their biggest mistake was trying to please everyone.
You can’t make everyone happy.
It simply cannot be done.
343 thought they could walk into the lion’s pit, and leave unscathed.
And in the end, they only got hurt due to their arrogance.

I feel like the best path 343 can take now is to step back, take a breath, and reevaluate.
Look at the circumstances.
They’re a new studio that’s just starting to discover itself.
Though they have experience individually, it’s scattered and misguided.
They alone hold the keys to the freight train that is Halo.
Whether it carries forward or crashes in flames is their responsibility.
And even with all this fire and glass, I know 343 can climb to the top.

Ultimately, here’s my final input.
The Halo community, the real Halo community…, us, the ones who spend hours on this website, letting you know how we feel… hurt and neglected.
We’re the ones who carry this franchise.
Many of us live and breath Halo.
Don’t forget about us, we’re still here, clinging to our faith…, in you.
Always keep an open ear pointing our way, we’re here for the same reason you are.

Never forget.

The rapid negativity that occurs on this bored doesn’t personally do me any good or what I think: anybody. Rather than constructive criticism we surround ourselves in cynicism. The posts I will read that supply this hatred make it seem like this is all hopeless, like there is nothing to do. It’s a reason why I post here seldom, the negativity here ruins my experience when I actually play Halo 4.

I have my problems with Halo 4 and I try to communicate them. With this constant bashing and this Halo-nihilism, how can we communication with the developers? When you tell them it sucks and just tell them that everything happens to be wrong, what good is that? It’s useless feedback.

Support this 100%. While I’m not overjoyed with Halo 4 I really want it to get better, the only way to do that is by posting constructive criticism.

Btw, the feedback forums are probably your best bet

> Support this 100%. While I’m not overjoyed with Halo 4 I really want it to get better, the only way to do that is by posting constructive criticism.
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> Btw, the feedback forums are probably your best bet

I agree.
The immaturity of people on this site is ridiculous.
It’s like they don’t even think as they type.

Its a shame not everyone thinks like you do.(peacefully)

As a Lady of Section-3 I support this movement.

NO, you move.

This is about as peaceful as I can make myself.
https://forums.halowaypoint.com/yaf_postsm2421185_It-s-not-that-it-isn-t--competitive--enough.aspx#post2421185

I’m going to quote what was said in another thread that tried to be a mega thread.

> > But in order for 343i to do that correctly, the community needs to get it’s act together, and start acting like adults, and point out the problems, and ways to fix them, or alternatives to the ideas and solutions. Granted I feel that the title of this thread is wrong, the issues given, and some of the solution given are reasonable. And they are a start. But sometimes, not even pointing out the solutions is enough.
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> If I could I would give you a medal for this, just this alone.
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> Halo is on a decline though(which is sad). Although, there are some ways that 343 Industries could Reclaim(see what I did there) by following up on past games and seeing what formulas worked and what didn’t. How do they do this?
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> First off, do a survey. See what the people like and dislike. Maybe put the survey on the home screen of the Xbox saying something like “we want you to help us make the best experiences for the next Halo game.” (insert picture of Master Chief pointing)
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> Something that would also help 343 Industries is by commenting on their errors and correcting them, or at least acknowledge that things will get better.
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> As for the community I suggest that this is 343 Industries first baby, they wanted to try something out and they did. It’s not the best thing yet but it’s still Halo! At least they brought it back for the community.

OP, I agree with what you’re trying to do, hell, I’m willing to support just about any idea/change that comes from any peaceful movement to change Halo 4, and repair it.

Everytime I pop into this forum board and see nothing but hate, it saddens me to think that the community who swear up and down that they care about the game/series, are the ones who are doing the most damage, hell, since Halo 4’s release the community hasn’t once acted like a functional community, it’s starting to act somewhat like your everyday 12 year old COD player, who does nothing but nitpick about every little thing, and complain, and don’t offer any solutions to the issues they point out.

I sometimes see people say they’re going to boycott Halo until Halo 4 is fixed, that’s not helping, that’s just acting like selfish people who don’t know how to give any form of constructive criticism, and believe telling someone “FIX IT!” and not doing anything farther, is going to get anything fix.

I much rather see people post in threads like this saying "Here is the problem, here’s why it’s a problem, and heres what I believe could be a solution to the problem. Then, and maybe then we might see more posts from 343i staff trying to speak with the community members, other than just sending in BS Angel, their Matchmaking account, and Rukizzel to act as filters.

But, I’ve been around for some time now, and I’ve seen the results of the newer members creating accounts, and posting hateful threads, it’s causes members who do think the same as you and me to leave, hell just about everyday I see less people who I once had fun little conversations with in the Yo Thread back when I first started posting on this site. Granted when ever I point that out, people tend to say “It’s because they given up on Halo, because Halo 4 is crap”, and no, that’s not the reason, the number one reason is because the community is full of people who are quick to judge, quick to hate, and quick to disregard peace and the forum rules, just to say “Hey, something isn’t right, here’s the issue, is there any way you can fix it?”

Hell, in most places if you walk in and act this way, you’ll most likely get thrown out, and banned from the place of business, but here, it runs wild, people get away with acting like the lowest forms of life.

You people are mad at what has been said, and some of the things done or not done, I get that, but coming to 343i’s forums, and posting hateful messages, and expecting a response, isn’t how to go about things.

Honestly, I think the main thing they need to do is stop trying to make everything theirs. We get that they own Halo, but they removed so many things. And when they add them back, they have to be totally different from what Bungie did. Look at Fiesta and the X. I think that’s honestly one of the biggest problems.

It is extremely important that they are made aware what people dislike, or outright hate(with good reason/cause) about what they did do, didn’t do, planned to do, or simply forgot to do.

As has been stated in several places, the current tactics the community has used so far has only gotten so much response back from 343i. They HAVE made good changes, in the right directions because of the community. But I also think it is extremely important for people to express their frustration or reasons for anger in a calm and collected way. And to present potential solutions or options for the issues they’re concerned about to be considered, looked into, or implemented.

That to me is what I would consider ‘peaceful’. :] There are already a few people here who are well known or moderately well known around the whole of Waypoint who are vocal about what they dislike - but they do it collectedly and usually present solutions or suggestions(however minor or temporary they may seem). Because of this we have a free new forge map, adjusted weapons and map settings, and they are working on other things still that haven’t yet seen daylight but will hopefully soon.

On the other hand, there are still quite a few who simply post raging anger and provide no insights or thoughts on solutions or paths to take and why they would consider those options in the face of the issue they’re upset about.

I do not by any means agree with or like everything in Halo 4, and I often agree with many peoples’ thoughts about certain subjects, and usually agree with the solutions or suggestions they tack along with their comments of frustration. There are things I do like in Halo 4 as well, which is just as important for 343i to know so they can direct themselves accordingly.

Balanced judgement and helpful critique with potential solutions or suggestions is a peaceful and respectful way to present ourselves as a community who desires and deserves better interaction with and communication from this developer studio, who seems to be slowly growing out of the gangling awkward not quite mature stage into the gradually maturing with experience stage. They need us to be vocal and firm, but not a mindless mob.

Peaceful does not mean pushover. :slight_smile:

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> I sometimes see people say they’re going to boycott Halo until Halo 4 is fixed, that’s not helping, that’s just acting like selfish people who don’t know how to give any form of constructive criticism, and believe telling someone “FIX IT!” and not doing anything farther, is going to get anything fix.

This is one of the things that a lot of people don’t get, boycotting in games doesn’t work too well past release. Holding population numbers hostage doesn’t help further the community agenda. If anything it deters from it.

343i is intent on making this game the best they can for the people currently playing. If you’re not playing why would they listen to you? They’ll talk to the fans who are sticking around and playing often, who they know will buy the next installment.

I do not want H3 with better graphics! Every complaint I see usually wants an updated H3. I have been with Halo since 2001 and H3 was the low point in the franchise for me. However I do recognize that H4 is not as competitive as the older Halo’s. If there is a way to make the game more appealing to the the competitive scene, and still not be like H3, then I am on board.

I like that there are loadouts:
meaning that I like there are more options than just the BR.
that was my biggest complaint about H3… it was BR or nothing, and it was boring. So if you can figure up a way to make the game keep all the same weapons on spawn, and make it more competitive then sign me up.

Just a little thing I want to say.

I’ve seen some people writing that we should not buy Halo 5 to make 343I understand. But if they do that, wouldn’t it cause that the people at Microsoft or whoever is at the top to think that Halo is no longer profitable and just close the franchise for good? I mean, it’s a possibility. And not one that I would like to take any risks with. This also applies to the boycot plannings.

> Just a little thing I want to say.
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> I’ve seen some people writing that we should not buy Halo 5 to make 343I understand. But if they do that, wouldn’t it cause that the people at Microsoft or whoever is at the top to think that Halo is no longer profitable and just close the franchise for good? I mean, it’s a possibility. And not one that I would like to take any risks with. This also applies to the boycot plannings.

As much as it pains me to say this, maybe that is what’s best for the Halo franchise…to end. If this is 343’s vision, then the series seriously needs to end. I would prefer that over it being made a mockery of.

As a fan, I’m tired of hearing about forge maps and new map packs coming out. People are waiting around for 343 to implement fixes to the core multiplayer gameplay.

> As a fan, I’m tired of hearing about forge maps and new map packs coming out. People are waiting around for 343 to implement fixes to the core multiplayer gameplay.

See this is what everyone in the thread is talking about.

What core multiplayer mechanic are you addressing? What is your logical well thought out reasoning behind these? Have you done your research? And when it comes down to discussing mechanics can you leave your emotions behind?

> As a fan, I’m tired of hearing about forge maps and new map packs coming out. People are waiting around for 343 to implement fixes to the core multiplayer gameplay.

Tho I do agree with you, I also disagree.

One of the major downsides of Xbox gaming is title updates isn’t as simple as most people think. 343i has to submit the title update, and wait for 2 weeks for it to be reviewed, then be uploaded. Yeah, I wish 343i and spend most of their time working on title updates and releasing them rather quickly, but lets face it, even for PC, patches aren’t very quick, unless they’re hot fixes, and even then they take a day or two to fix, test, iron out any issues, and then repatch.

The map pack release dates was planned before all of the community up set, so they’re not going to stop those from being released. Forge Island was kind of a surprise, but hey, I’m not complaining about a Forge map that’s free, and was asked for by the community. You may not of wanted it, but there are some community members who did ask for it.

Now, from this point on I’m mostly guessing, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised if 343i is currently working on another title update or two, but can’t talk about the details of said title updates until they’re closer to release. I do understand that not everything I’ve said might be stuff you want to hear, and there are things that both you and the rest of the community has ask for and demanded for that 343i just can’t deliver do to the limitations of what can be done post launch.