No, the real issue is why they didn’t include the ability for players to enable/disable cross-play from the beginning of their development.
This is one of the worst decisions that they did for this title.
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was the enable/disable idea not the most request thing on the crossplay thread from few years go.
that a lot off people told there not care if crossplay coming to halo infinite so long its not force and it has a enable/disable option?
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Console players cry so much about crossplay and m&k when the reality of it is if you’re bad at the game it doesn’t matter what input you play against.
Don’t get me wrong, cheaters are definitely a problem but the real solution is for 343 to develope an invasive af anticheat software and couple it with a 2FA system that requires an in service phone number that can only be tied to one account.
I play both inputs and have for years and I can tell you right now that this game feels ridiculously better on controller in terms of accuracy, m&k aim feels wonky as hell in Infinite and there’s even instances of “anti aim assist” while sniping on mouse.
Look up the stats between the top accuracy players on each input and tell everyone that m&k is easier to aim on with a straight face.
Battlefield 3. I remember coming across cheaters somewhat often when I played that on the 360. I’m not saying it was common, but I definitely ran into the most console cheaters playing that game than any other console game.
As far as Infinite is concerned, I think the real issue is that the game does not have anticheat. I don’t know why it doesn’t when Easy Anticheat is free for developers to use. 343 actually already uses it for MCC and it works very well so I don’t quite understand why it’s not in Infinite. That’s the solution I would rather see being a PC player myself.
The reason I don’t quite agree with turning off crossplay is because I think that kind of filter should just be reserved to the input used and it doesn’t filter out controller players on PC for me when I just want to fight against other MnK users.
I also think that most cheaters go away if 343 starts fighting against them and they manage to fix the problem with cheaters for everybody and not just the console players
I don’t even really care about cheaters. I just want this game to control like Halo again. Theyve neutered controller handling so badly that it practically feels foreign. All for the sake of attempted and failed platform parity.
Disable crossplay, just give up on trying to make it an even playing field. Give me back the same aim assist, bullet magnetism, hitscan, and sensitivity settings that Ive come to expect from a Halo game for the past 20 years. If that makes me a bad player, then so be it. I just want to enjoy the game again.
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Except that F2P games on Xbox no longer require an Xbox Live Gold membership. And being that Infinite is F2P on Xbox and pc, you can make new accounts on both with no repercussions.
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If 343 can do what nobody has been able to do and stop people cheating on pc then i wouldnt mind it but there still needs to be an option to turn off crossplay for those that dont want it. I just cant see it happening though, even with mcc anticheat they will get through and come right back when banned as its F2P. Wouldnt it be fair to allow console players to turn off crossplay right now so they can play without all this? Then maybe down the road there is some sort of decent anticheat that will allow console players to opt in and play with pc more reliably without hackers or less hackers. If anything these cheaters are ruining the game for legit pc players more than anything because there will be a point when they will have no option but to remove crossplay to save the game on console. For me im already done with the game and moved on, i’ll see what happens in the future. Great game, alot of potential, just unplayable in its current state.
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so you not need the any type of membership to play halo infinite.
then you still have a lot of barriers left that can me sure that cheat software is not going to work in the xbox.
on the xbox there can add at some point hidden update’s and update there security without you know it.
on the PC you have almost no barriers to make sure the cheat software is not going to work.
This is actually true. I came across 3 hackers in ranked and I can guarantee I don’t play as much as most of you do. 100% using wall hacks. It was obvious after Watching them in theatre lining up shots before they see the enemy. Checked the platform, and whattaya know PC. They got running riots and killtaculars so easy.
I play on both. It’s about the same, as I don’t have problems aiming with either.
Off topic but Other games tho…holy crap…like bf 2042…the aim on M&K is night and day. You can laser people vs controller. Controller is hard as hell w tracking targets in that game vs M&K. We’re lucky halo ISNT like that.
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Agreed, I refunded the game after the absolute disgusting experience on pc lol.
Just personally speaking and with the counts of a few friends and a couple pros after hcs it seems like the general sentiment is that it seems stickier on console although this game is so beyond wonky rn that it may be different for a variety of people for a variety of different reasons.
I just hope the game is fixed really soon, I hate seeing Halo as an incomplete package.
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No it’s not. It’s not the solution the problem as a whole it can take away from what a match filter should look like, and it sends all of the cheaters towards PC players. This is only a boon for consoles and an expense for the PC players.
It’s not in my interest to agree that it’s fair because that will have me coming across cheaters more often. That’s not fair at all
I think you’re blowing the cheating problem out of proportion in regard to PC gaming and I don’t think you have enough experience with PC gaming to say something along the lines of “if 343 can do what nobody has been able to do and stop people cheating on pc” because developers have stopped cheating on PC in the majority of games. Some of those games are F2P as well
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You dont think its fair for console players to be able to play against other console players on their console like they have always been able too? You believe console players should be forced to share pc cheaters otherwise pc players will have to put up with all the pc cheaters themselves on their pcs? Is that what im seriously reading. Its not a solution as a whole its a solution for console. Pc hacking is a pc problem and shouldnt be ruining the experience on console. You would much rather see the game burnt to the ground than see another platform be able to enjoy the game without your platforms problems? Heres the solution to avoid pc cheaters, 343 turn off crossplay. Buy an xbox. That is it.
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Cheating should be fixed on the whole and its players should not be treated as a bottom class. The communities are merged, crossplay had a fundamental change in that it adds Aim Assist to the PC version which would never have happened before. Since this has happened the matchmaking filter needs to be the Input used.
Honestly even this filter will likely prevent you from playing with them PC cheaters as I can’t imagine many of them would even bother to plug in a controller unless they were specifically out to target controller players for whatever reason.
The game will not burn to the ground. You’re being dramatic here. I get you’re frustrated with some of the matches you had and I’m not discounting that, but you seem to have this nihilistic viewpoint on what can actually be done.
Lets encourage 343 to make the game better for everybody. We all like Halo, we all want to have fun playing the game.
I don’t think anybody should have to put up with cheaters. 343 needs to fight against them. That’s all that needs to happen.
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i not know if i have told this on a other thread but if not then its also fine.
i play also on pc MMORPG game’s.
in the MMORPG communety there is a spam bot problem and the game’s have a F2P option.
each time the developer update there security with hidden update’s sometime’s.
the spam bots are gone for few day’s after that there are back.
the MMORPG communety has accept then that spam bots are not going to leave the only way is to keep controle on then that there are not a lot off then.
so the point i am making is there have to accept it and deal with the problem that never is going to leave.
the same thing is what the PC halo communety needs to do also if crossplay is going to become a option.
accept it and deal with it that the Halo PC communety always has to play sometime’s against hackers/cheaters in halo infinite matchmaking.
you know that blowing the cheating problem was also a Warning Sign 4 years ago.
to let you understand here is a list from the most of the Warning Signs that have been giving to 343 4 years ago about cheating.
1: Halo infinite F2P + force crossplay = dooms day for the game (has coming out)
2: if there add Force crossplay the forum will blowing up with threads about cheaters/hackers ( has coming out)
3: Force Crossplay will start the Xbox concole VS PC communety’s War again ( has coming out)
4: Xbox communety has told there not wane force crossplay and only accept crossplay if its become a option since the PC communety has a higher risk of cheaters ( has comming out)
the 4 warning sign’s that have coming out and was easy to fix if there have listing back then.
Riot tried, even marketed Valorant and its root level anti-cheat as unhackable. Invasive anti-cheat is about as effective as basic/kernel level anti-cheats.
Naturally within a month, cheats popped up circumventing the ‘unhackable’ system and even banned legitimate players due to the system incorrectly interpreting legit programs and files as cheats. And again, this is root level, it’s running at the same level as the boot data for your OS, it doesn’t get more invasive than that.
There’s no way to stop cheating on any platform, never has been, the only way to reduce it is to patch the holes that appear.
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Oh you mean exactly how anti-cheat software works on PC?
You do realize that there’s no way to preemptively prevent hacks and cheats right on any platform right? Much like firewalls and spam filters work, algorithms are developed and derived from known cheats and hacks that make it through the safety net. When a new cheat/hack that penetrates the safety net is identified, the safety net is expanded upon to catch those exploits in the system.
This is how it works effectively with every single anti-cheat system on PC and it’s why you correctly pointed out that your Xbox console updates constantly. Companies have to keep up with the exploits, because they’re not going to stop being exploited.
There are zero ways to completely prevent people from discovering exploits in any digital system to grant unfair advantages. Many have tried, all have failed. The only way these exploits can be addressed is only after they’ve been found. This is the way it works on PC, Xbox, and PlayStation to various degrees.
If PC’s were actually this open wound plagued by hacks, cheats and exploits as you believe they are, nobody would be buying and playing on PC’s, period.
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Hello.
Well, I already mentioned it a few weeks ago. There must be a cheater, sure there are, but it is not necessary to cheat to gain an advantage using K&M. The fact of being able to jump while aiming and shooting, control over the aiming with the mouse and even automatic firing are enough reasons to have great advantage.
From that point of view, even the xbox elite controller would already be somewhat of an advantage by having four more programmable joysticks than the standard controller.
In addition, the problems of lag, synchronism, stray bullets, the player pairing, etc. due to the malfunction of the servers, the bandwidth, etc. they also influence game results.
It would be nice to be able to select the crossover game, but also select the servers and give the network code another spin.
I love Halo and trust 343 to fix this before the community leaves.
i have told this to somebody else all on a other thread so i am also going to ask it to you on this thread.
lets tell 343 remove’s crossplay function from halo infinite for 4/5 month’s to see on with platform there are cheaters on and if its true that some people in the xbox communety also are using cheats in the matchmaking.
after 4/5 month’s off the no crossplay test 343 make the result’s open from the test’s.
if there are 0 reports from the xbox side about cheating or 0 have been banned from cheating from the xbox side.
then you have proof that on the xbox communety nobody is cheating and that all the cheaters in halo infinite are comming from the PC communety will you then accept it that its a PC communety problem where there need to deal with.
will you accept that type test if 343 is doing it.
and i mean only reports and banned records from cheaters not the banning reports from quiting matchmaking lobby’s a lot.
Ok none of what you said addressed my reply to your statement misunderstanding how anti-cheat works, and how you incorrectly think it doesn’t exist in the PC gaming environment for some reason. So before you jump to your ludicrously convoluted and nearly impossible to prove hypothesis, why don’t you respond to my points first?
I don’t currently accept your misguided hypothetical proposal, because even you admitted that the Xbox is constantly updated against exploitation, exploitation that can only be patched if that exploitation is revealed after being exploited in some fashion.
Respond to my initial reply, and maybe we’ll get to your point, until then it has nothing to do with my reply.