Pc crossplay claims another console multiplayer game. Pc hackers are rampant in onyx, wall hacks and aim bots galore. Its very blatant in theatre watching them. Its bad enough being at a disadvantage and now cheaters. Every multiplayer game on console is literally unplayable now because of crossplay. Pc crossplay needs to be only an optional opt in on console. Off by default. It is universally hated on console and driving people away yet nothing is being done. Are they just hoping we all just suddenly accept awful balance and games infested with cheaters and pray we continue pumping money into their games. Aint gonna happen. Can we please just have console only, controller vs controller before this game is completely dead. What is the point of trying to grow your pc playerbase by killing your console one⌠This being free to play and crossplay i knew it wasnt gonna last long but damn that was fast.
For the countless claims of rampant cheating Iâve read on these forums, Iâve only seen one person who backed up their own claim with video proof and it was completely legitimate.
Claims like your own and many others would be much more impactful if you reinforced them with some evidence. Especially in 2021 where itâs never been easier or cheaper to record evidence. Try to cover the names up of course if you decide to.
FFA slayer can be awful because of pc players. They win almost every match. Out-aiming someone on M/K is basically impossible.
We are so far beyond the point of âprovingâ if there are cheaters on the game that it seems ridiculous to be asked. If 343 needs more evidence they can pull up my match history on the last game i play and watch the guy on my team destroying the other team with his blatant wall hacks and aim bot. My post isnt about proving the obvious as anybody currently playing the game know whats going on. My post is for us console players being able to get out of crossplay while there are still console players on the game.
Oh Iâm not saying cheaters donât exist, Iâm suggesting they arenât as rampant as players like you claim they are without proof to backup your claims. 83 hours in record and Iâve seen two likely cheaters, two. Iâve got video of both that I need to submit.
Iâm not asking you to prove there are cheaters in Halo Infinite, thatâs apparent, Iâm suggesting you should submit proof of the cheaters you anecdotally claim youâve run into to give your claims more validity.
Or you can submit the proof you have to their support page (and here as well) and do something to help alleviate the issue instead of making unverifiable claims.
Cheaters exist, nobody is disputing this fact.
My post was attempting to help lend your claims more credence and legitimacy.
Introducing optional console segregation is good for a variety of reasons, but if you think itâs going to magically make cheaters disappear from your games then youâre living in a fantasy man.
343 will be completely aware of the cheating going on there is no need or point of submitting anything. That game i just played will be there for them to look at. There is a quick fix for this on console, let us play with other console players only. Instant fix, no fantasy ive been playing mp games on console for years and never seen anything that directly affects my enjoyment of a game until crossplay with pc became standard and it will only get worse. The only place this game will thrive is on console, they will never get rid of cheating on pc and trying to mix these communities will destroy the console one. There wont be anybody left to buy their next battlepass so it is in their best interest to allow us to remove pc crossplay. People buy consoles and pay a yearly online subscription fee in the 1st place to avoid all this and now its still being shoved down our throats.
for some wierd reason its starting to become funny each time a new thread is coming up about the crossplay function that is worse in halo infinite and about how big it fails with the pc cheaters/hackers.
so its also funny to tell each time on that type threads that after there release crossplay function from MCC that a lot people told all before all its a bad idea to have crossplay in matchmaking with pc players since there is a big risk off cheaters and hackers you then get and see what is happing its coming true.
and people told back then on the discusion thread about it was no big problem and there like it and see what you get now.
I donât agree. I have seen this claim in MCC too and in Infinite but the big difference is going F2P was always going to lead to more cheaters since punishments are harder to enforce. When people know my exact location without radar every time I spawn then yeh thatâs very suspicious.
The point of turning off cross-play is to avoid PC cheaters since there more common but that doesnât mean different type of cheating wonât happen. Though some times it can be hard to tell whether someone is cheating or if the game is just broken.
Which is why they encourage players to submit evidence of suspicious players rather than just say âdonât worry, weâll just piece through the entire player baseâs match historyâ?
Nobody is going to look at any specific examples if theyâre not prompted to do so. If you have issues or see suspicious behavior and are making posts about this suspicious behavior suggesting you want a fix to this, you might as well submit evidence and actually do something rather than just be a keyboard activist about it.
Buddy there are more than a few examples of cheats being utilized on consoles whether youâve come across them or not. R6S, Destiny 2, Haloâs 2-5, Old and Modern CoD titles. Cheats arenât going away with a console segregated safe space because theyâve existed there for decades and exist there now.
Iâve run into a modern cheater on Destiny 2 where the player was flying around blasting everyone with their infinite super, but my favorite point was in Modern Warfare 2 when players regularly were firing full auto AC130 main cannons like they were the minigun after aimhacking headshots with the Barrett like it was a BB gun.
People donât buy consoles and internet subscriptions for the disillusionment of playing in a cheat free environment, they do this to play games they enjoy online. Thereâs not a single claim made by any console manufacturer that consoles provide a âcheat free environmentâ, in fact the legal EULA/TOS type documents within the console box state that you can have your ability to use the system removed for utilizing cheats in any capacity, which implies they have no way of preventing you from cheating in the first place. Consoles being a cheat free environment is a long standing myth with no factual basis that players have just accepted.
Never played COD4 on 360 nah?
Today it was the second time that i came across a cheater in Ranked. He went 28 kill 2 death. A PC player and it was his 1 Match ever.
I wanted to report him, but the theater mode is not working. I cant review the match.
I stopped playing ranked a few days ago because of desync, input delay and all that issues. I thought, let give it a try. First ranked match we started 3 vs 4, we lost. Second ranked match, the PC Cheater.
Im really sorry for all PC player that are playing the game without cheating but there are only 2 option:
- 343 implements an anti cheat system
- or separate ranked playlist for console and PC
So this was my last ranked match until they solve the problem.
What did you guys expect with 343 bright idea of making MP f2p and forced cross-play?
Itâs one of the dumbest things to happen to Halo yet. I say yet because Iâm sure 343 has a lot more bright ideas 
I dont want a fix i want crossplay gone its had its chance and its failed again it is ruining multiplayer. This game is now unplayable because of pc players. Every hacker is a pc player. Like i said ive been playing shooters for many years, never have i seen aim bots and wall hacks until pc crossplay. Never have i been forced to stop playing a game because of cheaters. If there are any cheats whatsoever on console they are either extremely rare or absolutely useless because they have never effected me. Wall hacks and aim bots and whatever else they use is on a whole new game destroying level. I know you are trying to play this down as if its everyones problem as you are probably a pc player and want crossplay to stay. This isnt a console problem this is very much a pc problem that has been forced on console players. Without crossplay this game would be fine.
I know there were âhacked lobbiesâ on cod4 when the game was dead years later when activision abandoned it with ppl flying around but i was long gone by then. Wall hacks and aim bots on a brand new game in ranked full on sweat mode is different to flying around doing stupid stuff on a dead game.
You want segregated platforms to provide an escape from an obviously* ârampantâ issue that you canât even provide evidence to verify you experience with, got it.
You want a fix for hackers, and segregated platforms are your fix my guy.
Until you get what you want, learn to put your money where your mouth is and do something to help alleviate the problem. I donât use this term lightly, but itâs a bit hypocritical when you want vocally call for a fix but refuse to participate in a system that can actually provide some ease to the current situation.
With enough hype, itâs easy to see boogeymen where boogeymen donât exist.
Itâs painfully clear that you donât want to play against PC players, which is totally fine if you wanna use that as an argument, itâs totally rational. Whatâs not rational is seeing hackers running ârampantâ when theyâre not running rampant and throwing PC players under the bus that are most likely having a few decent/lucky plays, as well as not backing up your claims with proof of this happening to you.
Iâve been in countless matches where my teammates suggested the other team âtoggledâ when we got shlacked by the enemy team because they coordinated better, not because they cheated. Itâs easier for players to make excuses as to rationalize why they lost when âtheyâre so good at this gameâ, rather than identify what went wrong or couldâve been done better and just work on it better for next time.
Wow, thatâs impressive
Then you probably passed it off as skillful play if I had to take an educated guess. Because it was painfully obvious when a gameâs killcam showed the enemy player snapping and tracking onto targets mere seconds before it happened to me too.
In my experience, it was only Call of Duty and the rampancy that exists within those titles that made me quit those titles for good, maybe Titanfall 1 as well. The rest of the games Iâve seen cheaters in were so few and far between (between both PC and Xbox) that while a crappy match at the hands of an aimbotter sucked, but the next 50 matches that didnât feature one made up for it.
Then surely you have an example of this happening to you, preferably more recent if possible as to back up your claim? Just one? With maybe 30 seconds before the issue occurred as to lend some context to the situation?
Truthfully I donât really care if players are given the option to toggle crossplay/cross-input on or off. If players would rather play with other players who use the same platform/input because of a perceived/valid âleveled playing fieldâ and are willing to wait a few extra minutes to find matches, more power to them, they should have it.
My problem is when players donât just simply say this, instead relying on claims that are unverifiable and made even more so with the lack of evidence to support their claim, and/or the lack of any action through current official channels that may result in identifying, isolating, and contributing to an experience with less intrusion and exploits being used against players. I get it though, itâs 2021, being hyperbolic is how you get attention thatâs just the way the human algorithm works.
And to finalize, I am on PC and I donât care if crossplay stays or leaves, I just wanna play Halo 
Iâve seen this argument too, and itâs one thatâs incredibly flawed. Just look at when CSGO was a pay-to-play title. Reports of cheating overwhelmed the support team so badly that Valve introduced a player staffed report investigation system, which helped alleviate the issues and cut down on hacks/cheats/exploits. This was on a title that cost anywhere from $7.99 to $30 at the time with a playerbase exceeding 600k regular players.
But your argument also calls into question a common misinterpretation of how reports are actually enforced. Reports and the punishments they enact donât simply just target the perpetrator, but in many cases are compounded and used to create profiles that are used in conjunction with anti-cheat software to identify known instances of cheats/hacks/exploits to remove players using these from the game. Sure, these banned players can circumnavigate around the ban in various ways, but when these profiles are compiled and a player tries using a known hack theyâll promptly be removed.
The AI learning system that 343 is using in Infinite could benefit immensely from this if a traditional ingame report system was implemented, as well as the external evidence system used as well. It doesnât matter if the game is F2P or P2P, cheaters are going to pop up in droves, paywalls donât keep cheaters away.
Dunno what game mode youâre playing on, but identifying spawns and/or spawnlocking is a strategy thatâs older than even Halo itself. Itâs cheesy, but isnât necessarily an indication of cheats being utilized.
This is kinda the point Iâm making, itâs not going to stop the problem as much as itâs going to uncover another one.
Or a player whoâs just lucky/good/relying on mechanics that other players misunderstand. The only way to identify a cheater is to actually see what theyâre doing from as many angles as possible.
Who wants the evidence you? Seems like you want it more than 343. There are literally halo infinite hacks on sale for pc. There are tons of videos of hackers playing the game. There is overwhelming evidence of hackers playing this game right now and you downplaying the whole thing by asking me to provide you some proof of hackers in my games when i have stated my last game played which has a blatant hacker in it which 343 can freely watch and you are still not convinced there is serious problem. This is not confusing good aim or pre firing or pre nading, this is people actually using hacks. You might be shocked that people are using wall hacks and aim bots on pc but nobody else is. There are pc hacks for every game under the sun, it is a massive problem on pc and always has been. What i am clearly saying is we dont want pc problems on console, We do not need pc players. I know there are legit pc players out there. Ive played with plenty that are fine. I do not like the balance issues with mp games but i have been dealing with them. Now having hackers on the game its time to make changes before it ruins this game aswell. You yourself as a plat 6 player probably havent seen many which i understand but if you ever get to onyx you will fully understand everything.
Iâve only been asking about it for 3 (well now 4) responses now, yes . Is the 4th time what does it for you?
And no, 343 has a whole support system for you to submit evidence through and verify whether or not your assertions were correct or not.
And hundreds of other hacks advertised for most popular titles regardless of platform choice.
But how many players are using them and how many legitimate players are simply misidentified as hackers?
Not denying commonly circulated evidence that I or anyone can look up, nor am I denying that hackers are in the game, Iâve made this abundantly clear.
I am downplaying your experience because youâre making claims of your matches being inundated with cheaters as a means to rally support for console segregation, but are providing no evidence to support your claim. If itâs so easily seen, so overtly obvious and common, then surely you have a single example of this happening?
Surely youâve read the âBoy Who Cries Wolfâ?
No offense dude, but there isnât a single person on these forums thatâs important enough for 343âs support team to jump onto their profile and look up these claims at the drop of a hint.
Iâm not convinced you are facing a serious problem when you canât be bothered to record a clip of this cheater in action from any one of multiple perspectives, upload it, back up your assertions, and submit it as evidence to the support team. The only thing Iâm becoming more convinced about as this conversation goes on is that youâre being intellectually dishonest with a healthy dash of hypocrisy, and coming across as baselessly entitled.
Which ironically are commonly confused as hacks leading to this misinformed idea that hacks are rampant 
It would be nice to get an understanding of what the alleged âhackâ actually is. But you have yet to even describe it let alone post a video of it. You just purport it happened.
You must not be reading my responses, because Iâm not shocked because there are players using wall hacks and Iâm not denying this lmfao. I just gushed over a forum goerâs actions the other night when he posted evidence of wallhacks being used against him to verify his point! It was the first ever example Iâve seen from someone making a claim of running into a hacker, and posting video evidence of the hacker engaging in an active hack.
Wow would you look at that, player backed up his claim of running into a wall hacker with video proof, that was easy.
As well as consoles, but players are under false assumptions it doesnât happen.
Hacks might be a bit more accessible on PC, but if they were such a massive issue on PC as you claim there wouldnât be much of a reason to play multiplayer titles on PC and players wouldnât stick around, yet PC is massively popular to the point console manufacturers have to actively participate in and emulate it on their own hardware and growing every year in popularity. Cheating isnât this massive issue you think it is, in fact itâs relatively uncommon in every day play otherwise players wouldâve given up on PC years ago. 1059 hours in CSGO, Iâve maybe seen 15 hackers in my games at anywhere from Silver 1 to DMG, but I have seen many more while participating in CSGOâs âOverwatchâ system, but only because thatâs the whole point of that program: to learn to identify cheaters and hackers and sort out the innocent players.
Iâve seen more cheaters in L4D2 than competitive multiplayer titles
What youâre saying is that the PC crowd is rampant with cheaters, yet canât provide evidence of these cheaters youâre seeing when asked for it.
If you donât wanna play against potential high framerates, M/KB, input latency tuning, and other PC advantages thatâs fine. I totally understand. But youâre still going to run into cheaters even when the âcheatersâ are no longer in your games.
Youâre most likely experiencing confirmation bias when youâre suspicious of a player, and see that theyâre playing on PC and then misinterpreting everything from there.
If you donât respond to anything else, respond to this. What percentage of the PC population do you think uses hacks, what percentage of the PC population do you think doesnât use hacks?
Oh no doubt that there needs to be a change, Iâm all for a heavier focus on cheaters.
Hereâs the thing about idea that lower ranks donât experience this. Cheaters have to work up to these ranks my guy, they donât just magically whisk themselves into the highest tiers of play. They go through the ranks and cheat their way up, theyâre present in all game modes and at all skill levels of play, or at least they are according to players who purport seeing hackers/cheaters in their lobbies whos ranks vary across all levels and modes of play.
People actually cheating is far less of an issue with crosssplay than the simple advantage that KBM has over controller int terms of aiming and movemen. Presence of legitimate cheating is almost always overblown, and typically due to people mistaken the actual input and hardware advantage resulting in them getting handled for then just being cheated.
I 100% believe crossplay needs to go, but cheating is far from the main reason as to why.
A simple google search will show there are hacks/cheats for halo infinite, finding the people using them is harder though.