Pay to win does not = pay to win!!!

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Ok so this is sort of a follow up to the thread I made yesterday which got locked because I said a naughty word, which is fair enough since its in the forum rules but I was a little too angry to care about any rules. So as you may have guessed this is about the Prophets Bane req pack and how much of a rip off it is. But also I want to clear up something that MANY of you who are defending it seem to be saying, and that is “it’s not pay to win”
Pay to win DOES NOT mean you are paying for a guaranteed victory, that would be absolutely ridiculous, pay to win means paying for an advantage to help you win, and that is exactly what this month of mythic is, paying for an advantage by giving you an abundance of very powerful in game weapons.

Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go, meaning many people who have actually grinded through the game to get these items have pretty much wasted their time and people who may have only picked up the game yesterday can just pay to have this super rare, pretty powerful weapon as soon as they’ve started playing. That is plain and simply NOT FAIR! How can anyone try and justify that? It is PAYING FOR AN ADVANTAGE!

Also this is just the beginning of what Microsoft have planned! If this is a success we’ll be seeing A LOT more of this happening. They’re just testing the waters right now. It’ll start off with just a few weapons here and there but it’ll only get worse. Now I’m not a fan of Halo follower, I used to be but as of lately I have just been put off from watching their videos. However I had to watch their video covering this topic and I actually agree with a lot of what they say! It’s bad enough now that you can just pay to get a mythic weapon handed to you instantly, but if this trend continues its not just gonna be weapons they try selling to us. What about popular armour permutations? A large majority of the Halo community loves the Mk VI armour. When it comes to making Halo 6 Microsoft might be like well that armour is obviously really popular, let’s sell it to the players! Many people are bound to buy it because it’s a well loved armour permutation among the Halo community. Ok probably not the best example I can give but you can see what I’m trying to say! There is no logical way anyone can actually think this isn’t a problem. Please don’t defend what they are doing and saying “hey its no problem, doesn’t bother me” because THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING AND WE CANNOT LET THEM CONTINUE THIS TREND!

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I am in agreement. Warzone is almost broken now and we have to pressure Microsoft to stop this P2W scheme before more damage is done.

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> Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go

Your entire post has no ground to stand on based on this alone.

/thread

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But-t-t LTN said that it wasn’t P2W…

Its always funny seeing people defending REQ packs without actually understanding the P2W model. It isn’t a guaranteed victory my friends, it’s an advantage that you can buy with real money. Its like they think P2W is buying an instant victory.

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> 2533274820812525;1:
> Ok so this is sort of a follow up to the thread I made yesterday which got locked because I said a naughty word, which is fair enough since its in the forum rules but I was a little too angry to care about any rules. So as you may have guessed this is about the Prophets Bane req pack and how much of a rip off it is. But also I want to clear up something that MANY of you who are defending it seem to be saying, and that is “it’s not pay to win”
> Pay to win DOES NOT mean you are paying for a guaranteed victory, that would be absolutely ridiculous, pay to win means paying for an advantage to help you win, and that is exactly what this month of mythic is, paying for an advantage by giving you an abundance of very powerful in game weapons.
>
> Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go, meaning many people who have actually grinded through the game to get these items have pretty much wasted their time and people who may have only picked up the game yesterday can just pay to have this super rare, pretty powerful weapon as soon as they’ve started playing. That is plain and simply NOT FAIR! How can anyone try and justify that? It is PAYING FOR AN ADVANTAGE!
>
> Also this is just the beginning of what Microsoft have planned! If this is a success we’ll be seeing A LOT more of this happening. They’re just testing the waters right now. It’ll start off with just a few weapons here and there but it’ll only get worse. Now I’m not a fan of Halo follower, I used to be but as of lately I have just been put off from watching their videos. However I had to watch their video covering this topic and I actually agree with a lot of what they say! It’s bad enough now that you can just pay to get a mythic weapon handed to you instantly, but if this trend continues its not just gonna be weapons they try selling to us. What about popular armour permutations? A large majority of the Halo community loves the Mk VI armour. When it comes to making Halo 6 Microsoft might be like well that armour is obviously really popular, let’s sell it to the players! Many people are bound to buy it because it’s a well loved armour permutation among the Halo community. Ok probably not the best example I can give but you can see what I’m trying to say! There is no logical way anyone can actually think this isn’t a problem. Please don’t defend what they are doing and saying “hey its no problem, doesn’t bother me” because THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING AND WE CANNOT LET THEM CONTINUE THIS TREND!

The req system has been to some degree pay to win since the beginning. If you didn’t have a problem with it 11 months ago why take issue now. However, the req system is a bad idea that was implemented extremely well. The only way that paying actual money has a real benefit is in two perfectly matched teams otherwise. I.E. You and I are on two equal teams. The teams member’s are equally skilled, we have equal experience, the same amount of time playing the game, the same level of team work and communication. The only difference between the teams is that your team has spent money, while mine has only redeemed req points. You may have a ‘slight’ advantage. However if there is any difference in any of the factors I mentioned that more than overrides the advantage of having spent money. 343 created a pay to win/pay for advantage system that offers almost no advantage whatsoever to the people who spend money on it.

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> > 2533274820812525;1:
> > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go
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> Your entire post has no ground to stand on based on this alone.
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> /thread

Have you actually read the rest? Please have some sense, this isn’t going to gradually ease off! Microstransaction systems only get worse

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> > 2533274820812525;1:
> > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go
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> Your entire post has no ground to stand on based on this alone.
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> /thread

Grinding for essentially 10 Gold packs worth is a long time, and how many people do you think are able to do this? Only the people who have a full collection.

It’s P2W. Some models have options that involve long amounts of grinding (H5), and then the easy way of paying money.

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> > 2533274820812525;1:
> > Ok so this is sort of a follow up to the thread I made yesterday which got locked because I said a naughty word, which is fair enough since its in the forum rules but I was a little too angry to care about any rules. So as you may have guessed this is about the Prophets Bane req pack and how much of a rip off it is. But also I want to clear up something that MANY of you who are defending it seem to be saying, and that is “it’s not pay to win”
> > Pay to win DOES NOT mean you are paying for a guaranteed victory, that would be absolutely ridiculous, pay to win means paying for an advantage to help you win, and that is exactly what this month of mythic is, paying for an advantage by giving you an abundance of very powerful in game weapons.
> >
> > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go, meaning many people who have actually grinded through the game to get these items have pretty much wasted their time and people who may have only picked up the game yesterday can just pay to have this super rare, pretty powerful weapon as soon as they’ve started playing. That is plain and simply NOT FAIR! How can anyone try and justify that? It is PAYING FOR AN ADVANTAGE!
> >
> > Also this is just the beginning of what Microsoft have planned! If this is a success we’ll be seeing A LOT more of this happening. They’re just testing the waters right now. It’ll start off with just a few weapons here and there but it’ll only get worse. Now I’m not a fan of Halo follower, I used to be but as of lately I have just been put off from watching their videos. However I had to watch their video covering this topic and I actually agree with a lot of what they say! It’s bad enough now that you can just pay to get a mythic weapon handed to you instantly, but if this trend continues its not just gonna be weapons they try selling to us. What about popular armour permutations? A large majority of the Halo community loves the Mk VI armour. When it comes to making Halo 6 Microsoft might be like well that armour is obviously really popular, let’s sell it to the players! Many people are bound to buy it because it’s a well loved armour permutation among the Halo community. Ok probably not the best example I can give but you can see what I’m trying to say! There is no logical way anyone can actually think this isn’t a problem. Please don’t defend what they are doing and saying “hey its no problem, doesn’t bother me” because THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING AND WE CANNOT LET THEM CONTINUE THIS TREND!
>
>
> The req system has been to some degree pay to win since the beginning. If you didn’t have a problem with it 11 months ago why take issue now. However, the req system is a bad idea that was implemented extremely well. The only way that paying actual money has a real benefit is in two perfectly matched teams otherwise. I.E. You and I are on two equal teams. The teams member’s are equally skilled, we have equal experience, the same amount of time playing the game, the same level of team work and communication. The only difference between the teams is that your team has spent money, while mine has only redeemed req points. You may have a ‘slight’ advantage. However if there is any difference in any of the factors I mentioned that more than overrides the advantage of having spent money. 343 created a pay to win/pay for advantage system that offers almost no advantage whatsoever to the people who spend money on it.

It’s still a very dangerous move into the wrong direction, there is no way in hell Microsoft won’t take advantage of the system if they see its a big money making success, req points or not, they’re still making profit from people who can’t help but take the bait and use real money

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> 2533274880633045;5:
> > 2533274820812525;1:
> > Ok so this is sort of a follow up to the thread I made yesterday which got locked because I said a naughty word, which is fair enough since its in the forum rules but I was a little too angry to care about any rules. So as you may have guessed this is about the Prophets Bane req pack and how much of a rip off it is. But also I want to clear up something that MANY of you who are defending it seem to be saying, and that is “it’s not pay to win”
> > Pay to win DOES NOT mean you are paying for a guaranteed victory, that would be absolutely ridiculous, pay to win means paying for an advantage to help you win, and that is exactly what this month of mythic is, paying for an advantage by giving you an abundance of very powerful in game weapons.
> >
> > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go, meaning many people who have actually grinded through the game to get these items have pretty much wasted their time and people who may have only picked up the game yesterday can just pay to have this super rare, pretty powerful weapon as soon as they’ve started playing. That is plain and simply NOT FAIR! How can anyone try and justify that? It is PAYING FOR AN ADVANTAGE!
> >
> > Also this is just the beginning of what Microsoft have planned! If this is a success we’ll be seeing A LOT more of this happening. They’re just testing the waters right now. It’ll start off with just a few weapons here and there but it’ll only get worse. Now I’m not a fan of Halo follower, I used to be but as of lately I have just been put off from watching their videos. However I had to watch their video covering this topic and I actually agree with a lot of what they say! It’s bad enough now that you can just pay to get a mythic weapon handed to you instantly, but if this trend continues its not just gonna be weapons they try selling to us. What about popular armour permutations? A large majority of the Halo community loves the Mk VI armour. When it comes to making Halo 6 Microsoft might be like well that armour is obviously really popular, let’s sell it to the players! Many people are bound to buy it because it’s a well loved armour permutation among the Halo community. Ok probably not the best example I can give but you can see what I’m trying to say! There is no logical way anyone can actually think this isn’t a problem. Please don’t defend what they are doing and saying “hey its no problem, doesn’t bother me” because THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING AND WE CANNOT LET THEM CONTINUE THIS TREND!
>
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> The req system has been to some degree pay to win since the beginning. If you didn’t have a problem with it 11 months ago why take issue now. However, the req system is a bad idea that was implemented extremely well. The only way that paying actual money has a real benefit is in two perfectly matched teams otherwise. I.E. You and I are on two equal teams. The teams member’s are equally skilled, we have equal experience, the same amount of time playing the game, the same level of team work and communication. The only difference between the teams is that your team has spent money, while mine has only redeemed req points. You may have a ‘slight’ advantage. However if there is any difference in any of the factors I mentioned that more than overrides the advantage of having spent money. 343 created a pay to win/pay for advantage system that offers almost no advantage whatsoever to the people who spend money on it.

I didn’t have a problem with the REQ system 11 months ago because back then it didn’t give you a pack full of one of the best weapons in the game. Anyone who buys these packs has a significant advantage over those who don’t, as they can just spam Prophet’s Banes the whole time. It is very easy to achieve level 6 REQs in Warzone and purchase them multiple times in a game.

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> > 2533274880633045;5:
> > > 2533274820812525;1:
> > > Ok so this is sort of a follow up to the thread I made yesterday which got locked because I said a naughty word, which is fair enough since its in the forum rules but I was a little too angry to care about any rules. So as you may have guessed this is about the Prophets Bane req pack and how much of a rip off it is. But also I want to clear up something that MANY of you who are defending it seem to be saying, and that is “it’s not pay to win”
> > > Pay to win DOES NOT mean you are paying for a guaranteed victory, that would be absolutely ridiculous, pay to win means paying for an advantage to help you win, and that is exactly what this month of mythic is, paying for an advantage by giving you an abundance of very powerful in game weapons.
> > >
> > > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go, meaning many people who have actually grinded through the game to get these items have pretty much wasted their time and people who may have only picked up the game yesterday can just pay to have this super rare, pretty powerful weapon as soon as they’ve started playing. That is plain and simply NOT FAIR! How can anyone try and justify that? It is PAYING FOR AN ADVANTAGE!
> > >
> > > Also this is just the beginning of what Microsoft have planned! If this is a success we’ll be seeing A LOT more of this happening. They’re just testing the waters right now. It’ll start off with just a few weapons here and there but it’ll only get worse. Now I’m not a fan of Halo follower, I used to be but as of lately I have just been put off from watching their videos. However I had to watch their video covering this topic and I actually agree with a lot of what they say! It’s bad enough now that you can just pay to get a mythic weapon handed to you instantly, but if this trend continues its not just gonna be weapons they try selling to us. What about popular armour permutations? A large majority of the Halo community loves the Mk VI armour. When it comes to making Halo 6 Microsoft might be like well that armour is obviously really popular, let’s sell it to the players! Many people are bound to buy it because it’s a well loved armour permutation among the Halo community. Ok probably not the best example I can give but you can see what I’m trying to say! There is no logical way anyone can actually think this isn’t a problem. Please don’t defend what they are doing and saying “hey its no problem, doesn’t bother me” because THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING AND WE CANNOT LET THEM CONTINUE THIS TREND!
> >
> >
> > The req system has been to some degree pay to win since the beginning. If you didn’t have a problem with it 11 months ago why take issue now. However, the req system is a bad idea that was implemented extremely well. The only way that paying actual money has a real benefit is in two perfectly matched teams otherwise. I.E. You and I are on two equal teams. The teams member’s are equally skilled, we have equal experience, the same amount of time playing the game, the same level of team work and communication. The only difference between the teams is that your team has spent money, while mine has only redeemed req points. You may have a ‘slight’ advantage. However if there is any difference in any of the factors I mentioned that more than overrides the advantage of having spent money. 343 created a pay to win/pay for advantage system that offers almost no advantage whatsoever to the people who spend money on it.
>
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> It’s still a very dangerous move into the wrong direction, there is no way in hell Microsoft won’t take advantage of the system if they see its a big money making success, req points or not, they’re still making profit from people who can’t help but take the bait and use real money

Why? Why is it dangerous? That kind of hyperbole is unnecessary and doesn’t help anyone. The req system as I said was implemented in a way that paying for things doesn’t confer a proper advantage except in the rarest of circumstances. The req system will return as it made a ton of money. I personally don’t like micro-transactions (My opinion hasn’t changed since the game launched) I think they take advantage of children with mommy and daddy’s credit cards. I haven’t spent one penny on the req sytem, I never will.

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> I didn’t have a problem with the REQ system 11 months ago because back then it didn’t give you a pack full of one of the best weapons in the game. Anyone who buys these packs has a significant advantage over those who don’t, as they can just spam Prophet’s Banes the whole time. It is very easy to achieve level 6 REQs in Warzone and purchase them multiple times in a game.

Except it doesn’t. I had 9 banes, before I redeemed points to get 12 more. Last night one of those kids who bought the pack called one in, guess which one of us ended up using it? I was the better player therefore I ended up with the thing he’d spent money on.

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> > > 2533274820812525;1:
> > > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go
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> > Your entire post has no ground to stand on based on this alone.
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> > /thread
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> Have you actually read the rest? Please have some sense, this isn’t going to gradually ease off! Microstransaction systems only get worse

Of course I read the rest. The game isn’t pay to win if it can be grinded. Period.

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> > > > 2533274820812525;1:
> > > > Ok so this is sort of a follow up to the thread I made yesterday which got locked because I said a naughty word, which is fair enough since its in the forum rules but I was a little too angry to care about any rules. So as you may have guessed this is about the Prophets Bane req pack and how much of a rip off it is. But also I want to clear up something that MANY of you who are defending it seem to be saying, and that is “it’s not pay to win”
> > > > Pay to win DOES NOT mean you are paying for a guaranteed victory, that would be absolutely ridiculous, pay to win means paying for an advantage to help you win, and that is exactly what this month of mythic is, paying for an advantage by giving you an abundance of very powerful in game weapons.
> > > >
> > > > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go, meaning many people who have actually grinded through the game to get these items have pretty much wasted their time and people who may have only picked up the game yesterday can just pay to have this super rare, pretty powerful weapon as soon as they’ve started playing. That is plain and simply NOT FAIR! How can anyone try and justify that? It is PAYING FOR AN ADVANTAGE!
> > > >
> > > > Also this is just the beginning of what Microsoft have planned! If this is a success we’ll be seeing A LOT more of this happening. They’re just testing the waters right now. It’ll start off with just a few weapons here and there but it’ll only get worse. Now I’m not a fan of Halo follower, I used to be but as of lately I have just been put off from watching their videos. However I had to watch their video covering this topic and I actually agree with a lot of what they say! It’s bad enough now that you can just pay to get a mythic weapon handed to you instantly, but if this trend continues its not just gonna be weapons they try selling to us. What about popular armour permutations? A large majority of the Halo community loves the Mk VI armour. When it comes to making Halo 6 Microsoft might be like well that armour is obviously really popular, let’s sell it to the players! Many people are bound to buy it because it’s a well loved armour permutation among the Halo community. Ok probably not the best example I can give but you can see what I’m trying to say! There is no logical way anyone can actually think this isn’t a problem. Please don’t defend what they are doing and saying “hey its no problem, doesn’t bother me” because THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING AND WE CANNOT LET THEM CONTINUE THIS TREND!
> > >
> > >
> > > The req system has been to some degree pay to win since the beginning. If you didn’t have a problem with it 11 months ago why take issue now. However, the req system is a bad idea that was implemented extremely well. The only way that paying actual money has a real benefit is in two perfectly matched teams otherwise. I.E. You and I are on two equal teams. The teams member’s are equally skilled, we have equal experience, the same amount of time playing the game, the same level of team work and communication. The only difference between the teams is that your team has spent money, while mine has only redeemed req points. You may have a ‘slight’ advantage. However if there is any difference in any of the factors I mentioned that more than overrides the advantage of having spent money. 343 created a pay to win/pay for advantage system that offers almost no advantage whatsoever to the people who spend money on it.
> >
> >
> > It’s still a very dangerous move into the wrong direction, there is no way in hell Microsoft won’t take advantage of the system if they see its a big money making success, req points or not, they’re still making profit from people who can’t help but take the bait and use real money
>
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> Why? Why is it dangerous? That kind of hyperbole is unnecessary and doesn’t help anyone. The req system as I said was implemented in a way that paying for things doesn’t confer a proper advantage except in the rarest of circumstances. The req system will return as it made a ton of money. I personally don’t like micro-transactions (My opinion hasn’t changed since the game launched) I think they take advantage of children with mommy and daddy’s credit cards. I haven’t spent one penny on the req sytem, I never will.
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> > I didn’t have a problem with the REQ system 11 months ago because back then it didn’t give you a pack full of one of the best weapons in the game. Anyone who buys these packs has a significant advantage over those who don’t, as they can just spam Prophet’s Banes the whole time. It is very easy to achieve level 6 REQs in Warzone and purchase them multiple times in a game.
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> Except it doesn’t. I had 9 banes, before I redeemed points to get 12 more. Last night one of those kids who bought the pack called one in, guess which one of us ended up using it? I was the better player therefore I ended up with the thing he’d spent money on.

It’s dangerous because now people are able to get one of the most powerful weapons in the game, instead of having to work for it by going through the randomly generated req system, which I didn’t agree with but it’s a whole lot better than just letting people get mythics straight away, it’s not fair, it’s a scam and even though warzone has been chaotic from day one, it’s just going to make it worse if this carries on, it’s not hard to get up to req level 6 and even the average noob can get a good amount of kills if they’re smart enough to just pick people off one by one instead of charging into a room full of enemies expecting to kill them all, this isn’t going to just be for 1 month and then they’ll be like well that was fun, we’ve earned some money let’s not carry on. I bet they’ve already earned at the very least $1000 from this prophets bane pack alone. It’s making them money, it’ll only get worse from here!

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> > > > 2533274820812525;1:
> > > > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go
> > >
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> > > Your entire post has no ground to stand on based on this alone.
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> > > /thread
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> > Have you actually read the rest? Please have some sense, this isn’t going to gradually ease off! Microstransaction systems only get worse
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> Of course I read the rest. The game isn’t pay to win if it can be grinded. Period.

It can if people CAN JUST PAY TO GET AHEAD OF THE REST!!! If it was just grinding the game then fair enough, but not when people can just pay to get one of the rarest weapons in an instant, even if people save up req points, it’s still unfair to those who have had to spend weeks or months to grind the req system to unlock it randomly, people could have literally just picked up the game today, been like “hmm what’s this prophets bane pack?” read that they are guaranteed the certification and 12 additional cards and been like “wow what a bargain, I’m not gonna wait until I unlock it randomly, may as well get it now” and they may not be any good with it but it’s still GIVING THEM AN ADVANTAGE!

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Who cares? People spend too much time worrying about others. You can play the game exactly the same way you always have work this new REQ pack.

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> > > > > 2533274820812525;1:
> > > > > Ok so this is sort of a follow up to the thread I made yesterday which got locked because I said a naughty word, which is fair enough since its in the forum rules but I was a little too angry to care about any rules. So as you may have guessed this is about the Prophets Bane req pack and how much of a rip off it is. But also I want to clear up something that MANY of you who are defending it seem to be saying, and that is “it’s not pay to win”
> > > > > Pay to win DOES NOT mean you are paying for a guaranteed victory, that would be absolutely ridiculous, pay to win means paying for an advantage to help you win, and that is exactly what this month of mythic is, paying for an advantage by giving you an abundance of very powerful in game weapons.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go, meaning many people who have actually grinded through the game to get these items have pretty much wasted their time and people who may have only picked up the game yesterday can just pay to have this super rare, pretty powerful weapon as soon as they’ve started playing. That is plain and simply NOT FAIR! How can anyone try and justify that? It is PAYING FOR AN ADVANTAGE!
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> > > > > Also this is just the beginning of what Microsoft have planned! If this is a success we’ll be seeing A LOT more of this happening. They’re just testing the waters right now. It’ll start off with just a few weapons here and there but it’ll only get worse. Now I’m not a fan of Halo follower, I used to be but as of lately I have just been put off from watching their videos. However I had to watch their video covering this topic and I actually agree with a lot of what they say! It’s bad enough now that you can just pay to get a mythic weapon handed to you instantly, but if this trend continues its not just gonna be weapons they try selling to us. What about popular armour permutations? A large majority of the Halo community loves the Mk VI armour. When it comes to making Halo 6 Microsoft might be like well that armour is obviously really popular, let’s sell it to the players! Many people are bound to buy it because it’s a well loved armour permutation among the Halo community. Ok probably not the best example I can give but you can see what I’m trying to say! There is no logical way anyone can actually think this isn’t a problem. Please don’t defend what they are doing and saying “hey its no problem, doesn’t bother me” because THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING AND WE CANNOT LET THEM CONTINUE THIS TREND!
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> > > > The req system has been to some degree pay to win since the beginning. If you didn’t have a problem with it 11 months ago why take issue now. However, the req system is a bad idea that was implemented extremely well. The only way that paying actual money has a real benefit is in two perfectly matched teams otherwise. I.E. You and I are on two equal teams. The teams member’s are equally skilled, we have equal experience, the same amount of time playing the game, the same level of team work and communication. The only difference between the teams is that your team has spent money, while mine has only redeemed req points. You may have a ‘slight’ advantage. However if there is any difference in any of the factors I mentioned that more than overrides the advantage of having spent money. 343 created a pay to win/pay for advantage system that offers almost no advantage whatsoever to the people who spend money on it.
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So it’s dangerous because someone like the kid I took a bane off yesterday (with 90% charge I might add) can get reqs, that they just as easily could’ve gotten lucky and gotten in a gold pack? When as I’ve pointed out anyone with even a slight advantage in terms of skill, experience, teamwork, or just plain luck will kill them and take it for themselves? It’s dangerous when half the people that buy it will be the same ones who come on here and complain that they can’t get there req level up high enough to use it? The bane isn’t game breaking. Is it a good weapon? yes.

Is your issue with capitalism itself? You keep bringing that up…yes it will make them money as will the pointless HCS packs. I don’t really see what your point is here.

Is this just a slippery slope fallacy? They did a mythic pack so eventually you’ll be able to pay to spawn at the beginning of the game with an overshield, nornfang, and prophet’s bane?

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> > > > > > Ok so this is sort of a follow up to the thread I made yesterday which got locked because I said a naughty word, which is fair enough since its in the forum rules but I was a little too angry to care about any rules. So as you may have guessed this is about the Prophets Bane req pack and how much of a rip off it is. But also I want to clear up something that MANY of you who are defending it seem to be saying, and that is “it’s not pay to win”
> > > > > > Pay to win DOES NOT mean you are paying for a guaranteed victory, that would be absolutely ridiculous, pay to win means paying for an advantage to help you win, and that is exactly what this month of mythic is, paying for an advantage by giving you an abundance of very powerful in game weapons.
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> > > > > > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go, meaning many people who have actually grinded through the game to get these items have pretty much wasted their time and people who may have only picked up the game yesterday can just pay to have this super rare, pretty powerful weapon as soon as they’ve started playing. That is plain and simply NOT FAIR! How can anyone try and justify that? It is PAYING FOR AN ADVANTAGE!
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> > > > > > Also this is just the beginning of what Microsoft have planned! If this is a success we’ll be seeing A LOT more of this happening. They’re just testing the waters right now. It’ll start off with just a few weapons here and there but it’ll only get worse. Now I’m not a fan of Halo follower, I used to be but as of lately I have just been put off from watching their videos. However I had to watch their video covering this topic and I actually agree with a lot of what they say! It’s bad enough now that you can just pay to get a mythic weapon handed to you instantly, but if this trend continues its not just gonna be weapons they try selling to us. What about popular armour permutations? A large majority of the Halo community loves the Mk VI armour. When it comes to making Halo 6 Microsoft might be like well that armour is obviously really popular, let’s sell it to the players! Many people are bound to buy it because it’s a well loved armour permutation among the Halo community. Ok probably not the best example I can give but you can see what I’m trying to say! There is no logical way anyone can actually think this isn’t a problem. Please don’t defend what they are doing and saying “hey its no problem, doesn’t bother me” because THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING AND WE CANNOT LET THEM CONTINUE THIS TREND!
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> > > > > The req system has been to some degree pay to win since the beginning. If you didn’t have a problem with it 11 months ago why take issue now. However, the req system is a bad idea that was implemented extremely well. The only way that paying actual money has a real benefit is in two perfectly matched teams otherwise. I.E. You and I are on two equal teams. The teams member’s are equally skilled, we have equal experience, the same amount of time playing the game, the same level of team work and communication. The only difference between the teams is that your team has spent money, while mine has only redeemed req points. You may have a ‘slight’ advantage. However if there is any difference in any of the factors I mentioned that more than overrides the advantage of having spent money. 343 created a pay to win/pay for advantage system that offers almost no advantage whatsoever to the people who spend money on it.
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You are missing the point, yes the capitalism is a problem, not just the fact that people will probably be spamming mythics in Warzone games for the next month, but also all the money 343i and Microsoft are getting from all this! Where is it going? It’s certainly not going towards making the game better, you can argue all day that “hey we’re getting free dlc” but its a scam, most of this free dlc should have been in since launch, and it’s mostly just copy and paste armour and weapon skins, the new stuff is just meh, warzone firefight, it’s broken, it’s been out for almost 3 months and it still hasn’t been fixed, we haven’t heard anything about a fix. Which brings me on to the next point, when are they gonna fix theater? When are they gonna fix the UI? The bugs and glitches? Basically everything that desperately needs to be fixed, we’re FINALLY getting a content browser, but what about other classic game modes? Where’s the classic playlist A LOT of old players have been begging for? There’s so much that people are asking for and they should surely have the funds to invest in all the fixes and improvements they need to do, now don’t get me wrong, where the game actually works it works really well, forge, amazing! But where is our money going to? Apart from the “FREE DLC” and HCS tournaments. What are we getting out of it? Why won’t they fix all the problems? I’ll tell you why, they’re too busy finding ways to squeeze more money out of people through microstransactions. And this month of mythic is just one of those schemes. They aren’t in it to make good Halo games. That’s pretty obvious now, they don’t care about what the fans want, they just want to get as much money out of us as they can before this franchise crashes and burns.

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> > > > > > > Pay to win DOES NOT mean you are paying for a guaranteed victory, that would be absolutely ridiculous, pay to win means paying for an advantage to help you win, and that is exactly what this month of mythic is, paying for an advantage by giving you an abundance of very powerful in game weapons.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now there’s the argument that you don’t have to pay with real money. Ok fair point but since it’ll take at least 2-3 days to save that much req points it’s blatantly obvious that Microsoft are expecting a lot of people to just buy it to have it there from the get go, meaning many people who have actually grinded through the game to get these items have pretty much wasted their time and people who may have only picked up the game yesterday can just pay to have this super rare, pretty powerful weapon as soon as they’ve started playing. That is plain and simply NOT FAIR! How can anyone try and justify that? It is PAYING FOR AN ADVANTAGE!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Also this is just the beginning of what Microsoft have planned! If this is a success we’ll be seeing A LOT more of this happening. They’re just testing the waters right now. It’ll start off with just a few weapons here and there but it’ll only get worse. Now I’m not a fan of Halo follower, I used to be but as of lately I have just been put off from watching their videos. However I had to watch their video covering this topic and I actually agree with a lot of what they say! It’s bad enough now that you can just pay to get a mythic weapon handed to you instantly, but if this trend continues its not just gonna be weapons they try selling to us. What about popular armour permutations? A large majority of the Halo community loves the Mk VI armour. When it comes to making Halo 6 Microsoft might be like well that armour is obviously really popular, let’s sell it to the players! Many people are bound to buy it because it’s a well loved armour permutation among the Halo community. Ok probably not the best example I can give but you can see what I’m trying to say! There is no logical way anyone can actually think this isn’t a problem. Please don’t defend what they are doing and saying “hey its no problem, doesn’t bother me” because THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING AND WE CANNOT LET THEM CONTINUE THIS TREND!
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> > > > > > The req system has been to some degree pay to win since the beginning. If you didn’t have a problem with it 11 months ago why take issue now. However, the req system is a bad idea that was implemented extremely well. The only way that paying actual money has a real benefit is in two perfectly matched teams otherwise. I.E. You and I are on two equal teams. The teams member’s are equally skilled, we have equal experience, the same amount of time playing the game, the same level of team work and communication. The only difference between the teams is that your team has spent money, while mine has only redeemed req points. You may have a ‘slight’ advantage. However if there is any difference in any of the factors I mentioned that more than overrides the advantage of having spent money. 343 created a pay to win/pay for advantage system that offers almost no advantage whatsoever to the people who spend money on it.
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Oh wow, there is so much wrong with that I don’t know where to start… Capitalism? While I’ll agree that unfettered capitalism can be problematic it certainly don’t have any issue with it in principle provided appropriate regulations are in place. No I don’t know where the money is going and I don’t particularly care, just as I don’t care where the profit from the bottle of iced tea in my hands went to.

Armor and weapons skins are things some people want (I actually want quite a few more weapons skins as most of them don’t suit me.) I’m sorry you find some of these items to be ‘meh’, but you aren’t the only consumer of the product. Someone really loves everyone of the bloody things, even the armor that looks incredibly awful to me.

Various fixes: Yes, there are quite a few that need fixed and hopefully they are working on them (I do wish they were more forthright about what they are working on), but this has nothing to do with a mythic req pack or how it could be 'dangerous." Should some of the money made on the req pack go to the salaries of the programmers working on this stuff, it probably already does.

Classic playlist: MCC, it’s there go have a go. You can even choose which halo you consider classic.

What are we getting out of it? If you don’t think the product is worth the value asked you don’t buy it. Again I’ve spent no actual currency on req packs. I have issues with micro transactions and refuse to pay for them. I often don’t buy games until they come down in price, because I don’t consider them good value for the money. You either are getting what you paid for or you aren’t. You can’t expect to agree to pay for a product and the suddenly decide we should get x as well. Real life doesn’t work that way.

They don’t care what the fans want? Which is why we demanded the SPNKR and got it. We demanded the H2BR and got it, We demanded the missing game types (and got a few of them hopefully more to come), we demanded action sack and got it, we demanded a unsc flier and got it, people wanted reqs in forge and they’ve gotten some of them (and likely more to come.) 343 are a company out to make money. The way they make money is to offer a product that gives the majority of people what they want. We’ve asked and for the most part we’ve gotten (Missing game types, social playlists still not here.) 343 have made some bad decisions. At Launch Halo 5 wasn’t worth what I paid for it, but they’ve slowly given us the things which should have been there at launch.

Personally I hope Halo 6 launches complete. All the playlists, all the game types, all the maps and then we get proper DLC, but that has nothing to do with a mythic req pack.

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People who defends REQ system really have no reason other than free updates, which is bad also.

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I couldn’t personally care less. I’ve had all REQs since late january and never used any real money. I currently have 21 Prophets Bane REQ cards and I haven’t bought the new mythic pack even though I have around 250 K REQ points. I mean why would I? I don’t need any more Bane’s. The thing is, at this point of the game’s lifespan, everyone who play Halo 5 a lot should have all REQs by now. Why do you care if some SR10 guy buys himself a few Bane’s with real money? He’s just gonna screw up with the weapon and give it to someone better in Warzone anyway. Even if he didn’t, it’s max 10 kills for that guy. It doesn’t really disrupt the balance in Warzone.

I agree that the mythic pack is just a cash grab. But it’s not really pay to win. Everyone uses REQs in Warzone, and I can tell you that a Prophets Bane doesn’t win games. Killing bosses and having heavy vehicles does. Why do people make such big fuzz about this? Yea, it’s made just to get money from dumb people. No, it does not break Warzone in any way.

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Look a lot of you are making some really good points in arguing, fair enough, I posted here to get other people’s views and opinions, but if you honestly think this is gonna be it, that this month of mythic is just a one time thing, then you are wrong, not many games that have implemented microstransaction systems gradually cut them off, they only get worse, it may not be much of a problem now but I can almost guarantee to you now that it will get worse. Then we will be seeing a real pay to win system in place, the balance will be completely out of the window and it’ll be people who can afford all the good stuff just completely dominating the people who try and earn all the good stuff through just grinding, many people have already made this point but I’ll say it anyway, Prophets banes maybe aren’t quite bad enough, what if it’s nornfangs next week? Or even Spnkr primes? Or whispered truths… It’s just gonna be a mess and this is just the start of it guys, it’s not gonna just go away if Microsoft make enough cash from it