its honestly stupid how you cant break this leader at all late game you can wipe his army 100 times and it wont change a thing since his bases can never be broken add the mega turrets and boom you never lose
What? Do you know how hard it is to get mega turrets up in 1s? They cost astronomical amounts of resources, if you see that a Pavium is building megas just push him. Megas have very little health and Pavium’s early leader abilities are not very good on top of him more than likely wasting his resources on turrets instead of units.
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> What? Do you know how hard it is to get mega turrets up in 1s? They cost astronomical amounts of resources, if you see that a Pavium is building megas just push him. Megas have very little health and Pavium’s early leader abilities are not very good on top of him more than likely wasting his resources on turrets instead of units.
Late game, this is not a issue which to bring to light with burnout being op. Pav can out eco any leader with a single base against someone who has every mini, node and all other base pads. If pav gets a second established base, he is LITTERALLY set for life.
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> What? Do you know how hard it is to get mega turrets up in 1s? They cost astronomical amounts of resources, if you see that a Pavium is building megas just push him. Megas have very little health and Pavium’s early leader abilities are not very good on top of him more than likely wasting his resources on turrets instead of units.
Astronomical? Are you kidding? I can have 3 mega turrets and 2 bases up in 10 minutes, and have room to have a small army. You underestimate the effectiveness of burnout.
It is not so strong, but in my opinion, if it is above others.
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> > What? Do you know how hard it is to get mega turrets up in 1s? They cost astronomical amounts of resources, if you see that a Pavium is building megas just push him. Megas have very little health and Pavium’s early leader abilities are not very good on top of him more than likely wasting his resources on turrets instead of units.
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> Astronomical? Are you kidding? I can have 3 mega turrets and 2 bases up in 10 minutes, and have room to have a small army. You underestimate the effectiveness of burnout.
Pretty much what i said. Burnout is currently the best economic leader power by far.
As a pavium main, late game IS Pavium’s strong suit. Nerfing his late game ability would potentially put him down from a strong leader to a joke voridus (there are good players who can play voridus, but I have yet to see very many).
Shipmaster with honor guard harass, for example, can shut down pavium even with a designator on him. If you’re having trouble taking him down late game, push him early to mid game.
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> As a pavium main, late game IS Pavium’s strong suit. Nerfing his late game ability would potentially put him down from a strong leader to a joke voridus (there are good players who can play voridus, but I have yet to see very many).
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> Shipmaster with honor guard harass, for example, can shut down pavium even with a designator on him. If you’re having trouble taking him down late game, push him early to mid game.
Serious question here.
With roughly 20 games played as Pavium, do you really think that you understand the leader well enough to confidently say how strong he is, or is not?
I’ve played more than 20, where is that statistic?
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> I’ve played more than 20, where is that statistic?
You have 138 total games played, with 14% of those games being Pavium.
14% of 138 is ~20.
20 Games played.
so how many is enough for you to determine that I actually merit input? I was just trying to contribute.
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> so how many is enough for you to determine that I actually merit input? I was just trying to contribute.
Not trying to throw shade, my friend. Just a genuine question.
I don’t think you had any other intention otherwise you wouldn’t have asked. Yes, I believe I understand Pavium well enough to input my own contributions, otherwise I wouldn’t have bothered.
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> > so how many is enough for you to determine that I actually merit input? I was just trying to contribute.
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> Not trying to throw shade, my friend. Just a genuine question.
> do you really think that you understand the leader well enough to confidently say how strong he is, or is not?
You are really coming off as pompous. I understand where you are coming from, but I don’t think there is any good way to ask that over a forum. All you are doing is making players not want contribute to the conversation since they do not hit some BS skill level bar.
We know nothing about the players who post here. We know nothing about their experience in other RTS games. All we can do is check their service record and then judge them by it.
But how does fair and balanced game play translate at different skill levels. Some things are not balanced regardless of your skill level and some things only seem imbalanced at the most novice level (rushing). There has also been a few times when a Diamond or lower player has pointed out a glitch or bug that high level players who spam that leader never noticed. For example I think it was Heavy Grunts not being affected by logistics.
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> > > so how many is enough for you to determine that I actually merit input? I was just trying to contribute.
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> > Not trying to throw shade, my friend. Just a genuine question.
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> > do you really think that you understand the leader well enough to confidently say how strong he is, or is not?
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> You are really coming off as pompous. I understand where you are coming from, but I don’t think there is any good way to ask that over a forum. All you are doing is making players not want contribute to the conversation since they do not hit some BS skill level bar.
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> We know nothing about the players who post here. We know nothing about their experience in other RTS games. All we can do is check their service record and then judge them by it.
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> But how does fair and balanced game play translate at different skill levels. Some things are not balanced regardless of your skill level and some things only seem imbalanced at the most novice level (rushing). There has also been a few times when a Diamond or lower player has pointed out a glitch or bug that high level players who spam that leader never noticed. For example I think it was Heavy Grunts not being affected by logistics.
Aren’t you the same individual who called me a -Yoink-? Yikes.
Just a simple question. No need to look so deep into it.
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> its honestly stupid how you cant break this leader at all late game you can wipe his army 100 times and it wont change a thing since his bases can never be broken add the mega turrets and boom you never lose
The current late game meta devolves into mass air armies, so by the time mega turrets could realistically be a threat, you should not usually have to deal with them. Pavium’s Stand and his building heal is obnoxious, but the Lich is best used offensively, so that isn’t a very big deal. He’s just a pain to whittle down, really, and not OP.
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> > its honestly stupid how you cant break this leader at all late game you can wipe his army 100 times and it wont change a thing since his bases can never be broken add the mega turrets and boom you never lose
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> The current late game meta devolves into mass air armies, so by the time mega turrets could realistically be a threat, you should not usually have to deal with them. Pavium’s Stand and his building heal is obnoxious, but the Lich is best used offensively, so that isn’t a very big deal. He’s just a pain to whittle down, really, and not OP.
You obviously never played a good pavium.
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> > > its honestly stupid how you cant break this leader at all late game you can wipe his army 100 times and it wont change a thing since his bases can never be broken add the mega turrets and boom you never lose
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> > The current late game meta devolves into mass air armies, so by the time mega turrets could realistically be a threat, you should not usually have to deal with them. Pavium’s Stand and his building heal is obnoxious, but the Lich is best used offensively, so that isn’t a very big deal. He’s just a pain to whittle down, really, and not OP.
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> You obviously never played a good pavium.
A good Pavium goes Lich, not Stand. Stand is horrible now compared to Lich.
If played well Lich is a game ender because of the DPS it can do if it focuses down a main base.
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> > > > its honestly stupid how you cant break this leader at all late game you can wipe his army 100 times and it wont change a thing since his bases can never be broken add the mega turrets and boom you never lose
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> > > The current late game meta devolves into mass air armies, so by the time mega turrets could realistically be a threat, you should not usually have to deal with them. Pavium’s Stand and his building heal is obnoxious, but the Lich is best used offensively, so that isn’t a very big deal. He’s just a pain to whittle down, really, and not OP.
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> > You obviously never played a good pavium.
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> A good Pavium goes Lich, not Stand. Stand is horrible now compared to Lich.
> If played well Lich is a game ender because of the DPS it can do if it focuses down a main base.
He was saying lich was a pain rather than OP, i dont care for stand as it does not stop your army from dying, exspensive, and yaps please dont shoot me is alot better.
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> > > its honestly stupid how you cant break this leader at all late game you can wipe his army 100 times and it wont change a thing since his bases can never be broken add the mega turrets and boom you never lose
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> > The current late game meta devolves into mass air armies, so by the time mega turrets could realistically be a threat, you should not usually have to deal with them. Pavium’s Stand and his building heal is obnoxious, but the Lich is best used offensively, so that isn’t a very big deal. He’s just a pain to whittle down, really, and not OP.
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> You obviously never played a good pavi
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> > > > > > its honestly stupid how you cant break this leader at all late game you can wipe his army 100 times and it wont change a thing since his bases can never be broken add the mega turrets and boom you never lose
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> > > > > The current late game meta devolves into mass air armies, so by the time mega turrets could realistically be a threat, you should not usually have to deal with them. Pavium’s Stand and his building heal is obnoxious, but the Lich is best used offensively, so that isn’t a very big deal. He’s just a pain to whittle down, really, and not OP.
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> > > > You obviously never played a good pavium.
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> > > A good Pavium goes Lich, not Stand. Stand is horrible now compared to Lich.
> > > If played well Lich is a game ender because of the DPS it can do if it focuses down a main base.
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> > He was saying lich was a pain rather than OP, i dont care for stand as it does not stop your army from dying, exspensive, and yaps please dont shoot me is alot better.
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> I’ve played the best Pavium in the game, actually
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> > > > its honestly stupid how you cant break this leader at all late game you can wipe his army 100 times and it wont change a thing since his bases can never be broken add the mega turrets and boom you never lose
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> > > The current late game meta devolves into mass air armies, so by the time mega turrets could realistically be a threat, you should not usually have to deal with them. Pavium’s Stand and his building heal is obnoxious, but the Lich is best used offensively, so that isn’t a very big deal. He’s just a pain to whittle down, really, and not OP.
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> > You obviously never played a good pavium.
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> I’ve played the best Pav in the game, actually, and I have a strong Pavium myself. I’m drawing from experience against Scoot and Metaloid, the guys who essentially developed the optimal Pav play. Banshees are significantly weaker against Hornets late game, and the majority of his late game powers either stall for time or have niche use defensively. The Lich is a force to be reckoned with when used offensively, but not too much of a problem when used defensively.