Okay, so far with the addition of Karen Travis’s novels, Halsey and her actions are put more into the spotlight, with what seems to be some malice from Parangosky and so far I’ve noticed not everyone really likes this approach and I just wanted to talk about it so I can understand more for myself as well.
From what I’ve read thus far in the Halo novels, Halsey has questioned what she was doing at almost every turn but did it anyway. So I can kind of see why she is portrayed as a form of a monster.
But she did all of this with the approval of the ONI and probably to HIGHCOM due to extreme expenditures for the Spartan program. And during that time Parangosky must have signed off on the Spartan project(s). So I don’t entirely get why she is so blargh over what Halsey’s done, why she would pretty much scold/imprison her in her own work.
I would think 343i would have signed off on this approach so they knew the general direction of the novel trilogy.
With that in mind could it be just in Parangosky’s nature? Halsey seems self-entitled and can break rules as they please with no punishment to degrees. To that point could Parangosky’s own sense of authority feel challenged and she wishes to put a leash on Halsey?
Halsey also may have been a thorn in Parangosky’s side on more than one occasion, with attempts to mess with the S3 Program and didn’t Cortana play a role in the death of Colonel Ackerson? And there was the fack Ackerson hately Halsey with a passion as well.
Anyway, so far that’s what I have thought up, what do the Halovers-goers think?
> Okay, so far with the addition of Karen Travis’s novels, Halsey and her actions are put more into the spotlight, with what seems to be some malice from Parangosky and so far I’ve noticed not everyone really likes this approach and I just wanted to talk about it so I can understand more for myself as well.
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> From what I’ve read thus far in the Halo novels, Halsey has questioned what she was doing at almost every turn but did it anyway. So I can kind of see why she is portrayed as a form of a monster.
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> But she did all of this with the approval of the ONI and probably to HIGHCOM due to extreme expenditures for the Spartan program. And during that time Parangosky must have signed off on the Spartan project(s). So I don’t entirely get why she is so blargh over what Halsey’s done, why she would pretty much scold/imprison her in her own work.
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> I would think 343i would have signed off on this approach so they knew the general direction of the novel trilogy.
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> With that in mind could it be just in Parangosky’s nature? Halsey seems self-entitled and can break rules as they please with no punishment to degrees. To that point could Parangosky’s own sense of authority feel challenged and she wishes to put a leash on Halsey?
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> Halsey also may have been a thorn in Parangosky’s side on more than one occasion, with attempts to mess with the S3 Program and didn’t Cortana play a role in the death of Colonel Ackerson? And there was the fack Ackerson hately Halsey with a passion as well.
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> Anyway, so far that’s what I have thought up, <mark>what do the Halovers-goers think?</mark>
> But she did all of this with the approval of the ONI and probably to HIGHCOM due to extreme expenditures for the Spartan program. And during that time Parangosky must have signed off on the Spartan project(s). So I don’t entirely get why she is so blargh over what Halsey’s done, why she would pretty much scold/imprison her in her own work.
The big thing Old Maggie is upset with is the notion the flash clones of the S-II’s were kept secret from her. Right, 75+ cloned children and the equipment to make them was hidden from the head of ONI and the AIs Halsey was always paranoid about to the pint she only wrote personal things down in her journal.
Sure Karen, whatever.
> With that in mind could it be just in Parangosky’s nature? Halsey seems self-entitled <mark>and can break rules as they please with no punishment to degrees.</mark>
Halsey has never really felt that way or conveyed that idea. Her kidnapping Kelly and fleeing to Onyx may resemble that, but it wasn’t really her being self-entitled.
> To that point could Parangosky’s own sense of authority feel challenged and she wishes to put a leash on Halsey?
If she felt threatened, she would’ve just killed Halsey. Simple as that.
> Halsey also may have been a thorn in Parangosky’s side on more than one occasion, with attempts to mess with the S3 Program and didn’t Cortana play a role in the death of Colonel Ackerson? And there was the fack Ackerson hately Halsey with a passion as well.
A few things.
Halsey had no knowledge of the S-III project, so how could she mess with it?
Cortana attempted to get him transferred AFTER he sent an aircraft to fire missiles on Master Chief during the test of MJOLNIR armor simply to try and make John fail and discredit Halsey’s program.
The only reason Ackerson hated Halsey was because her project kept money from his so he grew jealous.
I wouldn’t say that. The authors obviously had to go in a new and fresh direction with the stories. I mean we are currently in post-war after all.
Now I have no idea how 343i picks authors to write books for them, whether they have to write a draft of what the story will be and how it will play out and 343i picks what they think is the best or if 343i goes the the authors directly and ask them. I honestly have no idea. But in either case, the author normally is in frequent contact with members of 343i for fact straightening and all that, so in the end 343i would also to be blamed if you don’t really like the books. But that aside, depending how the rest of the novels play out, I may or may not like them.
Currently I like Glasslands, it was a bit different, with more of an ONI perspective. I do like the way it’s playing out in the book too, it’s a plausible scenario. From ONI’s point of view the Sangheili are still a serious threat still along with the remaining Covenant forces, so a potential threat stuck in civil war would in one way be beneficial for humanity. Though I don’t entirely agree with that, nor do I think we should really be poking a hornets nest.
But it would be interesting to see if HIGHCOM tries to intervene, or something. (My ability to speculate and judgment is not so good now, had surgery recently and the pain meds are making me groggy).
One thing though is I don’t want to see UNSC vs ONI scenario, maybe Chief/Cortana vs ONI, which would go along with what 343i has been going on about how the Chief will have to making some “pretty tough decisions”, and will have to “take stock of himself”.
> The big thing Old Maggie is upset with is the notion the flash clones of the S-II’s were kept secret from her. Right, 75+ cloned children and the equipment to make them was hidden from the head of ONI and the AIs Halsey was always paranoid about to the pint she only wrote personal things down in her journal.
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> Sure Karen, whatever.
You are right on that, I highly doubt she didn’t know about that.
> Halsey has never really felt that way or conveyed that idea. Her kidnapping Kelly and fleeing to Onyx may resemble that, but it wasn’t really her being self-entitled.
That was part of it, though I think she kind of mentions she will get in trouble for her actions, but she did them anyway while probably expecting she will get a slap on the wrist while she can go about business as usual.it’s been a long time since I’ve read this book) But I also got that feeling with the moral decision with the flash clones.
I noticed she might have some sense of self entitlement over how she viewed the S-III’s, the conflict between Mendez and all that.
> If she felt threatened, she would’ve just killed Halsey. Simple as that.
I didn’t mean a serious threat. Just a threat that if Halsey was in a situation where she has freedom to make decisions and she felt that whatever thing ONI wanted was wrong, Halsey would do it her way.
Wasn’t stated in Halsey’s journal that she was suspicious of Ackerson when some drugs she used in the spartan program were diverted or something along those lines?
I know, I remember that conflict very vividly, I just thought the whole thing of Cortana meddling with Ackerson would just add more thorns into Parangosky’s side.
You are right on that and yes he is a -Yoink!-. I wanted the Covenant to catch up to him after what he did to Cortana and the Chief.
> 1) Wasn’t stated in Halsey’s journal that she was suspicious of Ackerson when some drugs she used in the spartan program were diverted or something along those lines?
She was suspicious, but that isn’t the same as knowing about the S-IIIs and wanting to meddle with with.
> > Traviss is a hack.
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> I wouldn’t say that. The authors obviously had to go in a new and fresh direction with the stories. I mean we are currently in post-war after all.
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> Now I have no idea how 343i picks authors to write books for them, whether they have to write a draft of what the story will be and how it will play out and 343i picks what they think is the best or if 343i goes the the authors directly and ask them. I honestly have no idea. But in either case, the author normally is in frequent contact with members of 343i for fact straightening and all that, so in the end 343i would also to be blamed if you don’t really like the books. But that aside, depending how the rest of the novels play out, I may or may not like them.
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> Currently I like Glasslands, it was a bit different, with more of an ONI perspective. I do like the way it’s playing out in the book too, it’s a plausible scenario. From ONI’s point of view the Sangheili are still a serious threat still along with the remaining Covenant forces, so a potential threat stuck in civil war would in one way be beneficial for humanity. Though I don’t entirely agree with that, nor do I think we should really be poking a hornets nest.
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> But it would be interesting to see if HIGHCOM tries to intervene, or something. (My ability to speculate and judgment is not so good now, had surgery recently and the pain meds are making me groggy).
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> One thing though is I don’t want to see UNSC vs ONI scenario, maybe Chief/Cortana vs ONI, which would go along with what 343i has been going on about how the Chief will have to making some “pretty tough decisions”, and will have to “take stock of himself”.
She doesn’t read anything about the Universe she is writing for which messes with the consistency. She doesn’t even apply simple logic to her “head in the sand” approach, which makes it even worse. She’s a hack.
In all honesty don’t even worry about the Drama. Halsey is being pinned as the scapegoat because she actually cares and feels bad for the events while maggie is just an outright war criminal.
Maggie
Gave the order to let reach fall A.K.A Operation RED FLAG
Supported the notion of suicide children and didn’t ask any question that weren’t fund related.
Wasted 20 years building a ship that didn’t even partake in the war. A ship that cost more than what the Class II of Spartan IIs would have, More than several UNSC fleets, and more than it would have costed to give a few hundred children Mark V.
Maggie is bad,should be locked up, is comparable to a -Yoink!-,is a war criminal, and the one that doesn’t care about her actions effect on others.
I really, really didn’t like the direction Travis went with the characters. Halsey is pretty much my favorite character from the universe but Halsey made her in to a nut case. I also didn’t care for the political direction. Let’s have peace but destroy it with backdoor sabotage. I just don’t care for her as an author. She’s too female heavy. I’ve read some other works by her and felt the same way.
> > > Traviss is a hack.
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> > I wouldn’t say that. The authors obviously had to go in a new and fresh direction with the stories. I mean we are currently in post-war after all.
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> > Now I have no idea how 343i picks authors to write books for them, whether they have to write a draft of what the story will be and how it will play out and 343i picks what they think is the best or if 343i goes the the authors directly and ask them. I honestly have no idea. But in either case, the author normally is in frequent contact with members of 343i for fact straightening and all that, so in the end 343i would also to be blamed if you don’t really like the books. But that aside, depending how the rest of the novels play out, I may or may not like them.
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> > Currently I like Glasslands, it was a bit different, with more of an ONI perspective. I do like the way it’s playing out in the book too, it’s a plausible scenario. From ONI’s point of view the Sangheili are still a serious threat still along with the remaining Covenant forces, so a potential threat stuck in civil war would in one way be beneficial for humanity. Though I don’t entirely agree with that, nor do I think we should really be poking a hornets nest.
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> > But it would be interesting to see if HIGHCOM tries to intervene, or something. (My ability to speculate and judgment is not so good now, had surgery recently and the pain meds are making me groggy).
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> > One thing though is I don’t want to see UNSC vs ONI scenario, maybe Chief/Cortana vs ONI, which would go along with what 343i has been going on about how the Chief will have to making some “pretty tough decisions”, and will have to “take stock of himself”.
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> She doesn’t read anything about the Universe she is writing for which messes with the consistency. She doesn’t even apply simple logic to her “head in the sand” approach, which makes it even worse. She’s a hack.
Qoute “I really, really didn’t like the direction Travis went with the characters. Halsey is pretty much my favorite character from the universe but Halsey made her in to a nut case. I also didn’t care for the political direction. Let’s have peace but destroy it with backdoor sabotage. I just don’t care for her as an author. She’s too female heavy. I’ve read some other works by her and felt the same way.”
My thoughts exactly. Ive read every book and definitly get the feeling that she has no clue what Halo is really about. I dont care if someone was a war correspondent or even served in the Territorial Reserve. Her description of the feelings of the ODST’s was like a bleeding heart woman.
> Okay, so far with the addition of Karen Travis’s novels, Halsey and her actions are put more into the spotlight, with what seems to be some malice from Parangosky and so far I’ve noticed not everyone really likes this approach and I just wanted to talk about it so I can understand more for myself as well.
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> From what I’ve read thus far in the Halo novels, Halsey has questioned what she was doing at almost every turn but did it anyway. So I can kind of see why she is portrayed as a form of a monster.
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> But she did all of this with the approval of the ONI and probably to HIGHCOM due to extreme expenditures for the Spartan program. And during that time Parangosky must have signed off on the Spartan project(s). So I don’t entirely get why she is so blargh over what Halsey’s done, why she would pretty much scold/imprison her in her own work.
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> I would think 343i would have signed off on this approach so they knew the general direction of the novel trilogy.
>
> With that in mind could it be just in Parangosky’s nature? Halsey seems self-entitled and can break rules as they please with no punishment to degrees. To that point could Parangosky’s own sense of authority feel challenged and she wishes to put a leash on Halsey?
>
> Halsey also may have been a thorn in Parangosky’s side on more than one occasion, with attempts to mess with the S3 Program and didn’t Cortana play a role in the death of Colonel Ackerson? And there was the fack Ackerson hately Halsey with a passion as well.
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> Anyway, so far that’s what I have thought up, what do the Halovers-goers think?
Parangosky must have some sort of regret over allowing the spartan programs happen. See how she is trying to hang halsey to keep the blame off her and also starting a less unethical spartan-IV program?
The only reason the program used children as because they didn’t have the tech to use it on adults. Soon as they got the tech they stopped using children.
> The only reason the program used children as because they didn’t have the tech to use it on adults. Soon as they got the tech they stopped using children.
Exactly. The advancements made to the Spartan III’s augmentations made them much safer and easier to administer. Given that even more time has passed it’s safe to assume even more progress has been made. Ackerson even said that the plan would be to get the Spartan program to the point where the general population (of the military I’d presume) could be augmented.
> > The only reason the program used children as because they didn’t have the tech to use it on adults. Soon as they got the tech they stopped using children.
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> Exactly. The advancements made to the Spartan III’s augmentations made them much safer and easier to administer. Given that even more time has passed it’s safe to assume even more progress has been made. Ackerson even said that the plan would be to get the Spartan program to the point where the general population (of the military I’d presume) could be augmented.
That’s not entirely true. They also knew they could train the 2’s from childhood to be the perfect soldier. ODSTs are superior soldiers but notice their attitudes and ability to work together compared to the Spartan’s.
> > > The only reason the program used children as because they didn’t have the tech to use it on adults. Soon as they got the tech they stopped using children.
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> > Exactly. The advancements made to the Spartan III’s augmentations made them much safer and easier to administer. Given that even more time has passed it’s safe to assume even more progress has been made. Ackerson even said that the plan would be to get the Spartan program to the point where the general population (of the military I’d presume) could be augmented.
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> That’s not entirely true. They also knew they could train the 2’s from childhood to be the perfect soldier. ODSTs are superior soldiers but notice their attitudes and ability to work together compared to the Spartan’s.
ODSTs would be comparable to today’s special forces. They are disciplined and efficient and not because they were trained from childhood. Their training and a lifetime of experience negates any advantage the IIs had. With the addition of augmentations and MJOLNIR I’d say the differences between the IIs and IVs aren’t very big.