It’s hard to ignore the recent outcry to further delay the game/disappointment without Forge and Co-Op at launch. I personally don’t find either to be a big deal at all and think of them to be rather niche, however I’ve seen numerous posts explaining the importance having them at launch. I’d really hate to see 343 further delay Infinite because of this and think the casual fan would fully forget about Halo. Not to mention the outpour of negative media publicity that would follow another delay.
I’m getting the vibe that the real concern isn’t the missing features necessarily, but the worry based on 343’s previous Halo launches (MCC, H4, H5) and lack of transparency when seemly everything is on track, yet more development hiccups. https://i.redd.it/v8ilkr4qrki71.png
So I ask you guys/gals this. Are you more upset about Forge and Co-Op being left out at launch? or Is your trust in 343?
People just need a reason to complain about things. They will still play the game on Day 1 regardless of Forge and Co-Op not being in the game at launch. Anyone that says otherwise is straight capping…
It just makes you wonder what else is either not gonna be working or delayed at launch because, forge,co op or assassinations,I mean that’s pretty standard stuff in halo now
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> It’s hard to ignore the recent outcry to further delay the game/disappointment without Forge and Co-Op at launch. I personally don’t find either to be a big deal at all and think of them to be rather niche, however I’ve seen numerous posts explaining the importance having them at launch. I’d really hate to see 343 further delay Infinite because of this and think the casual fan would fully forget about Halo. Not to mention the outpour of negative media publicity that would follow another delay.
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> I’m getting the vibe that the real concern isn’t the missing features necessarily, but the worry based on 343’s previous Halo launches (MCC, H4, H5) and lack of transparency when seemly everything is on track, yet more development hiccups. https://i.redd.it/v8ilkr4qrki71.png
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> So I ask you guys/gals this. Are you more upset about Forge and Co-Op being left out at launch? or Is your trust in 343?
I mean, both?
I’m not a huge forge person, but co-op is huge for me. I do usually like to play campaign solo first, but I usually like then play co-op with friends like, within days. If i get the game day 1 (big if at this point), unless the campaign is completely mind blowing (which 343 has failed to do) I’ll probably just play it a few times and never come back for when they ad co-op 3 months later. It turns halo from the game I love into just any other fps I pick up on steam play for a few days, and discard.
I imagine forge is pretty huge for people who enjoy custom games. Not everything is into sweaty pvp.
343 has often let features out without really announcing them. Despite this, I feel like I know more about what isn’t in the game, than what is. If this is what they are saying isn’t in the game, I worry what else is missing that they aren’t telling us.
343 really cares about this franchise. If they aren’t releasing co-op or forge at launch, it’s for a very good reason that is likely out of their control. I’m sure the Microsoft execs are trying to get this game out at their deadline and have no intention of delaying the game further.
It’s a bummer but ultimately i’d rather wait for great content than have them rush it and give us doo-doo content y’know?
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> People just need a reason to complain about things. They will still play the game on Day 1 regardless of Forge and Co-Op not being in the game at launch. Anyone that says otherwise is straight capping…
Completely agree. I’d rather not have further negative mass media press from the game being delayed further and hopefully launch during “holidays 2021”
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> It just makes you wonder what else is either not gonna be working or delayed at launch because, forge,co op or assassinations,I mean that’s pretty standard stuff in halo now
So this seems more of the trust/transparency of 343?
I personally don’t care about either not being present. I mean, it sucks for those wanting to jump into it right as the game drops, but it really isn’t necessary to wait for both to be finished before releasing the game.
Reddit is not happy. I just checked out r/halo and it’s even worse than here…
I am not upset about the news itsself, just lacking any confidence in 343 because the game seems in a bad state overall. And I haven’t got much room to forgive because I’m already not a fan of the outline system, lack of blood etc and everything that slaps me in the face to say “this is a F2P game”.
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> 343 really cares about this franchise. If they aren’t releasing co-op or forge at launch, it’s for a very good reason that is likely out of their control. I’m sure the Microsoft execs are trying to get this game out at their deadline and have no intention of delaying the game further.
> It’s a bummer but ultimately i’d rather wait for great content than have them rush it and give us doo-doo content y’know?
I have to say with all honesty…do they?
It took 3 games for them to finally go for a classic styled multiplayer.
It took them 3 games to return to the classic art style.
It took them 3 games to return to classic music.
This will be their third game without elites.
Honestly it just feels like they’re milking the brand, slowly learning what halo is about, despite fans being vocal about it for years.
Forge was the backbone to Halo 5’s BTB mode. Custom games, constant new maps, adjusting maps for competitive and other UGC are all the lifeblood to Halo’s longevity. It is essential for this “10-year plan”.
That being said, as an avid forger myself, I can live with the delay. Forge has evolved well beyond its humble beginnings, so it not being available at launch is understandable and plenty of games offered UGC modes post-launch and are doing fantastic. I am more blown back by the idea that you think this is niche than you being neutral on the delay.
As for co-op, I do not see how you can view that as being niche either. It has been in every Halo game. My best Halo memories were playing co-op with buddies. One way Halo sticks out to me is that it is one of the few shooters that does single player, co-op and multiplayer all so well at its peak. I would say unpopular modes like Spartan ops is niche. Even external media like books and comics are a bit niche. But a feature that has been in since day one of the franchise is by no means niche.
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> > 343 really cares about this franchise. If they aren’t releasing co-op or forge at launch, it’s for a very good reason that is likely out of their control. I’m sure the Microsoft execs are trying to get this game out at their deadline and have no intention of delaying the game further.
> > It’s a bummer but ultimately i’d rather wait for great content than have them rush it and give us doo-doo content y’know?
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> I have to say with all honesty…do they?
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> It took 3 games for them to finally go for a classic styled multiplayer.
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> It took them 3 games to return to the classic art style.
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> It took them 3 games to return to classic music.
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> This will be their third game without elites.
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> Honestly it just feels like they’re milking the brand, slowly learning what halo is about, despite fans being vocal about it for years.
I’m a diehard Bungie fan, but I do respect 343 for “trying” to do something different for Halo 4 + 5. I will say, I hated 5 very much, but respected them for trying to not mimic Bungie fully.
I do think its a shame though that each launch seems to have some kind of hiccup that really kills any momentum the game has. I really liked the beta and hoping 343 delivers.
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> I’m a diehard Bungie fan, but I do respect 343 for “trying” to do something different for Halo 4 + 5. I will say, I hated 5 very much, but respected them for trying to not mimic Bungie fully.
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> I do think its a shame though that each launch seems to have some kind of hiccup that really kills any momentum the game has. I really liked the beta and hoping 343 delivers.
I’m not a diehard bungie fan either. I dont particularly care who developes it, and I do understand the need to change and evolve things. Heck, I generally liked 343’s look for the chief, and the forerunner angle halo 4 had started.
But it feels like 343 keeps chasing trends and releasing half-baked versions of these trends, while costing us old features. Especially with this being a ‘10 year plan’, it’d be best to launch with as close to a normal halo experience as possible, and evolve it from there.
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> > 343 really cares about this franchise. If they aren’t releasing co-op or forge at launch, it’s for a very good reason that is likely out of their control. I’m sure the Microsoft execs are trying to get this game out at their deadline and have no intention of delaying the game further.
> > It’s a bummer but ultimately i’d rather wait for great content than have them rush it and give us doo-doo content y’know?
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> I have to say with all honesty…do they?
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> It took 3 games for them to finally go for a classic styled multiplayer.
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> It took them 3 games to return to the classic art style.
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> It took them 3 games to return to classic music.
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> This will be their third game without elites.
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> Honestly it just feels like they’re milking the brand, slowly learning what halo is about, despite fans being vocal about it for years.
Well first and foremost, things are not the same for us as consumers and for them as a developer company. We’re looking through different lenses, and what they want to do vs what they can do are not always the same thing. Also keep in mind, the opinions on how well received Halo 4 and Halo 5 were are just that, opinions. I, as someone who started on Combat Evolved, loved Halo 4 and 5 and consider it just as much Halo as the original trilogy. Also keep in mind that new players need to be netted into the franchise, and catering to old Halo fans isn’t always the best way to do things because there really isn’t alot of OGs left in comparison to other games.
And as far as Elites go, Bungie was the first ones to really screw over elites. They went from a core part of customization to being limited to one mode with like 6 armor sets for customization.
I will also say yes, it took them a bit to find the roots of Halo and really make a new game that is true to the roots without being stuck in the past. That’s easier said than done man, it really is.
And again keep in mind that what new fans like and what old fans (specifically Halo 3 fans) like are rarely aligned. Whichever Halo you started on will determine what you believe is what Halo is meant to be, but what Halo is meant to be is every game. It’s all Halo. It always has been. No two Halo games are exactly alike my man. Halo CE is drastically different from Halo 2, is different from Halo 3, is different from Halo Reach, is different from Halo 4 and 5 and Infinite. They are all very different games in alot of ways. Halo 4 is no different from Halo Reach than Halo 2 is. Even down to the music, gameplay, customization, characters
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> Why not both?
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> And these are FAR from niche.
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> Forge was the backbone to Halo 5’s BTB mode. Custom games, constant new maps, adjusting maps for competitive and other UGC are all the lifeblood to Halo’s longevity. It is essential for this “10-year plan”.
> That being said, as an avid forger myself, I can live with the delay. Forge has evolved well beyond its humble beginnings, so it not being available at launch is understandable and plenty of games offered UGC modes post-launch and are doing fantastic. I am more blown back by the idea that you think this is niche than you being neutral on the delay.
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> As for co-op, I do not see how you can view that as being niche either. It has been in every Halo game. My best Halo memories were playing co-op with buddies. One way Halo sticks out to me is that it is one of the few shooters that does single player, co-op and multiplayer all so well at its peak. I would say unpopular modes like Spartan ops is niche. Even external media like books and comics are a bit niche. But a feature that has been in since day one of the franchise is by no means niche.
As I said, I see these as niche. Not saying that everyone has to agree with that.
I dont see Forge really being something to want to further delay the game not being included at launch. If 343 developed a variety of good maps then the need for instant forge maps shouldnt be needed right at launch. Obviously maps takes tons of times to make, I do get that.
With Co-op, I again feel that this isnt a necessary reason to further delay the game. It’s not like you cant play campaign solo and not get the experience. Sure it sucks you cant play online with your friends, but again I dont feel that this is a good reason to want the game delayed.
Umm there’s like a dozen threads on this exact topic. Do we need another? many of us have repeated the same answers on several points and it’s pretty obvious by now that the community is split on this decision…though it does seem like more people are annoyed by what 343i has said.
All this melodrama is ridiculous 343 haven’t done this on purpose and they have been totally transparent with us. But some like petulant children can’t help themselves and have to throw their toys out of the pram.
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> Umm there’s like a dozen threads on this exact topic. Do we need another? many of us have repeated the same answers on several points and it’s pretty obvious by now that the community is split on this decision…though it does seem like more people are annoyed by what 343i has said.
This isnt a should they delay vs. should they not delay.
It’s meant to more question peoples thinking. Are you (not you in particular) really this upset with Forge and Co-Op being omitted at release…or is it because you don’t trust/disappointed in 343. I think a bunch of people are being very reactionary and not thinking what’s really making them upset. Again…my opinion…but I’m shocked this news brought on this much hate.
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> > Umm there’s like a dozen threads on this exact topic. Do we need another? many of us have repeated the same answers on several points and it’s pretty obvious by now that the community is split on this decision…though it does seem like more people are annoyed by what 343i has said.
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> This isnt a should they delay vs. should they not delay.
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> It’s meant to more question peoples thinking. Are you (not you in particular) really this upset with Forge and Co-Op being omitted at release…or is it because you don’t trust 343. I think a bunch of people are being very reactionary and not thinking what’s really making them upset.
I get the point but at the moment there’s a lot of threads like this at the moment. I’m not happy about what 343i said but just noticing a lot of very similar threads lately.
