This is more of a controversial opinion and that’s okay as long as we keep it civil. But am I the only one who never liked the concept of LASO? I watched several guides and several speedruns on people doing LASO and I thought it was extremely frustrating. I know in Reach it gave you extra XP but I think I really started to think it was cheap and not worth it around the time the MCC achievement list came out, when I saw you got 30G for completing Halo 2 on LASO I thought that was way too low. And I know achievements aren’t mandatory and achievements don’t really do anything but boost gamerscore but that doesn’t excuse the ridiculousness of it all in certain games that people have to go through. Then to top it off some people actually complete such a brutal challenge for the achievement not to pop up which is insane on it’s own.
I do think people who do LASO should get awarded like community acknowledgement, a Title, a glowing nameplate (those skull nameplates aren’t that cool for what they put you through), even armor. I just always felt LASO shouldn’t be gamerscore base, what I liked about Halo’s achievements compared to other games is it was a mix between fair and skill based. It took skill to get a Perfection, it took skill to get an Extermination, it took skill to assassinate the dreaded Armor Lock user after the patch on a specific map. While it does take skill to complete LASO, it’s way more random and frustrating and dependant on glitches and exploits some of those glitches completely alter the game too like drastically like needing Sergeant Johnson alive on Cairo Station. I know some games like Halo 3 and Halo 4 are easier than others but it doesn’t negate the sheer dificulty. So guys what are your thoughts on LASO?
TL;DR- I don’t really think that something that is dependant on exploits and glitches should be used for achievements. However, I do respect the fact that some did go through all the trouble to complete a challenge like that should get a much better reward.
People who can beat levels on LASO deserve rewards for their accomplishment, it really is quite the skillful challenge to accomplish.
However, I would rather watch people play LASO than do it myself nowadays, it’s just not fun, it’s tedious and always feels like I wasted my time doing it.
I love the concept of LASO. It adds an extra difficulty for the game for thosr in the community who are looking for an additional challenge. Alas, why I love the concept though, completing a game on LASO difficulty is something I will never be able to do, which is why I admire those who have done it.
I respect this opinion. I think the MCC in particular has way too many achievements.
I do think early LASO’s are ridiculous. I completed all LASO levels in Reach on 360 with my friends, but that was a good 3-5 hour slog per level. However, it also wasn’t impossible - you just had to be smart and not let the game defeat you. But the CE/2 LASO’s are just something else entirely.
I like hunting achievements so when I first saw all the laso achievements in the MCC I was discouraged. I spent years dreading them and thinking they were a bad idea. Now that I’ve completed a few of the games on LASO, I actually enjoy it. There is something very satisfying about knowing you were able to complete a game on LASO, and honestly they aren’t that bad to do. There are plenty of guides online, and once you do a few missions, you start to think more strategically about each enemy encounter. The more you do, the easier it gets
Edit: Just to clarify, I’m not saying they are easy, but they are nowhere as difficult as I thought they would be
Just to bring it up, I think you guys who have completed LASO deserve way more than just 30G you guys need some complex armor, a title, and community recognition. I do not know how some of you even managed to get through Gravemind. But watching this one video of these two guys co-oping through made me cheer when they finally got into the last room.
The low gamerscore is probably due to the sheer number of achievements in the MCC. In order to cram all those achievements, they really had to drop the average score. Although I would take the 700/700 unlocked over the higher GS LASO achievements every time. I do think that new LASO nameplates are long over due, but other than that not really sure what else they could add to the MCC to better reward players. I wish H5 would add a LASO and speed running achievement as I really learned to enjoy them in the MCC.
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> The low gamerscore is probably due to the sheer number of achievements in the MCC. In order to cram all those achievements, they really had to drop the average score. Although I would take the 700/700 unlocked over the higher GS LASO achievements every time. I do think that new LASO nameplates are long over due, but other than that not really sure what else they could add to the MCC to better reward players. I wish H5 would add a LASO and speed running achievement as I really learned to enjoy them in the MCC.
I’m a bit okay with Halo 5 not having LASO as you know I’m not the biggest fan. I’d rather the speedrun achievements those were actually fun. I do think MCC needs way better LASO achievement rewards from what I saw it was not worth it. However, I think it would make more sense to have Firefight Achievements in Halo 5 or Warzone this was an area seriously neglected.
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> Makes me not want to be in a rush to play infinite. I like getting all the achievements but getting to the point where LASO is just stress inducing.
In all mainline Halo games, I have the achievements, I think the achievements are fair even the Vidmaster achievements were fair. LASO, I just don’t know how the community does it sometimes man. Kudos to you guys though.
I think for the normal player LASO is a tad over bounds. How many out of the player population is going to attempt it, not many. My guess is why 343 did away with par score and time in H5. Very few were going to do it.
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> I think for the normal player LASO is a tad over bounds. How many out of the player population is going to attempt it, not many. My guess is why 343 did away with par score and time in H5. Very few were going to do it.
A lot of people actually attempted it, remember Legendary is hard for the average player and for good reason. But some of those skulls are really unreasonable and to have them all on? Par Score is at least fair, just kill a decent amount of enemies, Par Time also isn’t that hard. Halo Wars did Par time on Heroic and people though that was a bit too much.
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> > I think for the normal player LASO is a tad over bounds. How many out of the player population is going to attempt it, not many. My guess is why 343 did away with par score and time in H5. Very few were going to do it.
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> A lot of people actually attempted it, remember Legendary is hard for the average player and for good reason. But some of those skulls are really unreasonable and to have them all on? Par Score is at least fair, just kill a decent amount of enemies, Par Time also isn’t that hard. Halo Wars did Par time on Heroic and people though that was a bit too much.
Personally, I like playing campaign just to get the story and a feel for the game. I’m not a pro or anything remotely associated.
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> > > I think for the normal player LASO is a tad over bounds. How many out of the player population is going to attempt it, not many. My guess is why 343 did away with par score and time in H5. Very few were going to do it.
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> > A lot of people actually attempted it, remember Legendary is hard for the average player and for good reason. But some of those skulls are really unreasonable and to have them all on? Par Score is at least fair, just kill a decent amount of enemies, Par Time also isn’t that hard. Halo Wars did Par time on Heroic and people though that was a bit too much.
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> Personally, I like playing campaign just to get the story and a feel for the game. I’m not a pro or anything remotely associated.
Though Halo 5 didn’t have the strongest story. It did have the best movement and use of fair exploration unless you count ODST, I really want that style for Infinite so bad to explore an open world ring with a hub world. But I don’t know how LASO would work in such a bizarre scenario.
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> People who can beat levels on LASO deserve rewards for their accomplishment, it really is quite the skillful challenge to accomplish.
> However, I would rather watch people play LASO than do it myself nowadays, it’s just not fun, it’s tedious and always feels like I wasted my time doing it.
A select few missions are bareable. But once you’ve already done them it’s just tedious yeah. LASO Is ridiculous by its nature but very fun if you want the challenge