ONI

Games Halo 5: Guardians
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Since ONI have started to get much more attention now I was wondering what people think of them, are they a necessary evil or just a power hungry intelligence agency (a la Cerberus).

Up in till now ive understood and to an extent agreed with a lot of choices ONI have made. The Kilo-Five operation made a lot of sense to me, yes the Elites are friends now but for 30 years they didn’t question any their leaders as they murdered billions so whose to say they wouldn’t turn around and decide that humans should be wiped out with their still sizeable fleet. Incite a civil war, arm both sides and buy the UNSC time to rebuild and rearm was a sound if short term solution. Throwing Halsey under the bus for the Spartan II program, ONI get their scape goat and get a genius to do what they want with. Win Win for ONI. But this branding of the Chief as a traitor has confused the hell out of me (if thats whats happening). What do ONI gain from it ? Are they looking for another scapegoat like with Halsey, if so why use the Chief and not Locke ?

I just hope 343i doesnt turn ONI into a stereotypical evil organisation ( again like Cerberus) and actually have a reason for all this supposed false branding of the Chief. As of right now im beginning to hope that Chief actually did something wrong since ive always liked ONI’s morally gray stance.

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We ONI are not evil, we stand for what’s right. Secretive yes but that’s for your own protection.

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> Since ONI have started to get much more attention now I was wondering what people think of them, are they a necessary evil or just a power hungry intelligence agency (a la Cerberus).
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> Up in till now ive understood and to an extent agreed with a lot of choices ONI have made. The Kilo-Five operation made a lot of sense to me, yes the Elites are friends now but for 30 years they didn’t question any their leaders as they murdered billions so whose to say they wouldn’t turn around and decide that humans should be wiped out with their still sizeable fleet. Incite a civil war, arm both sides and buy the UNSC time to rebuild and rearm was a sound if short term solution. Throwing Halsey under the bus for the Spartan II program, ONI get their scape goat and get a genius to do what they want with. Win Win for ONI. But this branding of the Chief as a traitor has confused the hell out of me (if thats whats happening). What do ONI gain from it ? Are they looking for another scapegoat like with Halsey, if so why use the Chief and not Locke ?
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> I just hope 343i doesnt turn ONI into a stereotypical evil organisation ( again like Cerberus) and actually have a reason for all this supposed false branding of the Chief. As of right now im beginning to hope that Chief actually did something wrong since ive always liked ONI’s morally gray stance.

Love the reference to Cerberus.

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ONI is basically one giant sociopath. Manipulating, conspiring all for personal gain. Especially after the kilo 5 trilogy I can sadly say that I can not support an organisation that’s main goal is power. They want to assert humanity as the top species in the galaxy and I just don’t agree with that. I think it should be about unity and equality for all sentient species. Master chief isn’t the saviour of humanity, he’s the saviour of the universe. The Elites, Grunts, Jackals, Hunters, he technically saved them all from annihilation aswell, even if they where trying to cause it.

Kinda rambled a bit at the end there but I’m really tired. Someone must understand the point I’m trying to make?

Edit: yes they are basically Cerberus. A bunch of deluded -Yoink!- who believe in racial supremacy. Infact, they’re just as bad as the Prophets.

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> ONI is basically one giant sociopath. Manipulating, conspiring all for personal gain. Especially after the kilo 5 trilogy I can sadly say that I can not support an organisation that’s main goal is power. They want to assert humanity as the top species in the galaxy and I just don’t agree with that. I think it should be about unity and equality for all sentient species. Master chief isn’t the saviour of humanity, he’s the saviour of the universe. The Elites, Grunts, Jackals, Hunters, he technically saved them all from annihilation aswell, even if they where trying to cause it.
>
> Kinda rambled a bit at the end there but I’m really tired. Someone must understand the point I’m trying to make?
>
> Edit: yes they are basically Cerberus. A bunch of deluded -Yoink!- who believe in racial supremacy. Infact, they’re just as bad as the Prophets.

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> > ONI is basically one giant sociopath. Manipulating, conspiring all for personal gain. Especially after the kilo 5 trilogy I can sadly say that I can not support an organisation that’s main goal is power. They want to assert humanity as the top species in the galaxy and I just don’t agree with that. I think it should be about unity and equality for all sentient species. Master chief isn’t the saviour of humanity, he’s the saviour of the universe. The Elites, Grunts, Jackals, Hunters, he technically saved them all from annihilation aswell, even if they where trying to cause it.
> >
> > Kinda rambled a bit at the end there but I’m really tired. Someone must understand the point I’m trying to make?
> >
> > Edit: yes they are basically Cerberus. A bunch of deluded -Yoink!- who believe in racial supremacy. Infact, they’re just as bad as the Prophets.
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> :angry:

:relieved:

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> The Kilo-Five operation made a lot of sense to me, yes the Elites are friends now but for 30 years they didn’t question any their leaders as they murdered billions so whose to say they wouldn’t turn around and decide that humans should be wiped out with their still sizeable fleet.

The Elites did start to question their leaders and this is very well documented nowadays. Thus the likelihood of them collectively turning on humans was non-existent. The Covenant only ended because of the political ramifications of the human-Covenant war at the time within the Elite’s, and if betrayal was a likely component of the Elite’s future actions then the Covenant wouldn’t have broken apart nor would Earth have been spared a glassing after Halo 3. If ONI were knowledgeable of Sanghelios to the extent where they could find the Servants of Abiding Truth and plan an operation like this then they should have known that. The Kilo-5 operation was a total farce, because in spite of that ONI still decided to potentially ruin the political trend that saved them from being glassed by pulling a stupid stunt like this.

Other reasons why ONI are incompetent:

  • They didn’t use an intermediary to deliver the weapons to Telcam, so not only are they trusting that 'Telcam is competent enough to keep this a secret, they are trusting that Thel isn’t spying on him and thus likely to discover the whole thing like Jul did.

  • They didn’t take into account the Sangheili’s vast number of colonies and the military might that was available out there. They only targeted Sanghelios pointlessly, the centre of power of their only ally, whilst Jul 'Mdama built the Neo-Covenant from the outer Sangheili colonies. Derp.

  • By attacking Thel and not taking into account the many hostile factions out there in the murky depths of Covenant colonial space, they increased humanity’s chances of extinction. A weak Thel means that humanity merely has to shoulder more of the security burden that both undoubtedly share together in the face of such a large number of threats.

  • They also failed to take into account how a weakened Sanghelios would tempt the Brute lead factions to invade human and Sangheili space, who they would be unlikely to view as being unaffiliated with each other now. Again, a weakened Sanghelios merely means that humanity has to shoulder more of the defence burden.

  • No one asked how the hell shipments of plasma rifles was supposed to prop up a rebellion against a heavily armed and defended power like Vadam State, who had starships. No one questioned the abilities of 'Telcam when his opponents were two of the greatest military geniuses alive - Thel 'Vadam and Rtas 'Vadum.

> Incite a civil war, arm both sides and buy the UNSC time to rebuild and rearm was a sound if short term solution.

Except that there aren’t two sides. There’s several dozen, scattered over an area of space larger than UNSC space, and all ONI knew at the time was that out of all of that, Thel 'Vadam was their only ally.

And they decide to attack him. Total idiots.

Also, the UNSC is going to take decades to rebuild and re-arm, so they can’t rely on crappy gun-running ops like this in order to get them by until they are strong enough to fend for themselves.

> Throwing Halsey under the bus for the Spartan II program, ONI get their scape goat and get a genius to do what they want with. Win Win for ONI.

Except that her maltreatment caused her to leave and even worse, defect to the enemy. If you mistreat your employees, you can’t be surprised when they tell you to go F yourself. Now their only chance of controlling the Infinity’s Engines or in making progress with Forerunner technology at a rate that can compete with the Sangheili no longer wants to work for them. Instead they are stuck with Glassman, who doesn’t know anything about this stuff.

And that’s only the recent stuff too. ONI are responsible for the Insurrection and arguably the technological and cultural stagnation of the human race by protecting the interests of interstellar megacorps and their monopolies, as well as Earth Imperialism, rather than the interests of human individuals and colonies.

ONI are your textbook comic-book villain organisation. I’m hopeful that John having went AWOL is finally an indicator that we will be rid of these trolls quite soon.

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ONI is not evil.
ONI’s main goal is not to gain power (they already have it) but to save the human race with asymmetrical methods.

CINCONI (osman/parangosky) is power hungry for sure and possibly evil or incompetent.

Halsey worked for section three. Section three are clever and pro human. Section three appreciated Halsey. Section three was very powerful but lost nearly everything in the fall of reach, this power vacuum was filled by CINCONI that became even more powerful. This made Halsey depend exclusively on parangosky, that had waited for years for her personal revenge, but until the fall of reach Halsey had too many supporters and was too well known to be assassinated as the others that crossed parangosky.

hope these brief statements help you.

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> > The Kilo-Five operation made a lot of sense to me, yes the Elites are friends now but for 30 years they didn’t question any their leaders as they murdered billions so whose to say they wouldn’t turn around and decide that humans should be wiped out with their still sizeable fleet.
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> The Elites did start to question their leaders and this is very well documented nowadays. Thus the likelihood of them collectively turning on humans was non-existent. The Covenant only ended because of the political ramifications of the human-Covenant war at the time within the Elite’s, and if betrayal was a likely component of the Elite’s future actions then the Covenant wouldn’t have broken apart nor would Earth have been spared a glassing after Halo 3. If ONI were knowledgeable of Sanghelios to the extent where they could find the Servants of Abiding Truth and plan an operation like this then they should have known that. The Kilo-5 operation was a total farce, because in spite of that ONI still decided to potentially ruin the political trend that saved them from being glassed by pulling a stupid stunt like this.
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> Other reasons why ONI are incompetent:
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> - They didn’t use an intermediary to deliver the weapons to Telcam, so not only are they trusting that 'Telcam is competent enough to keep this a secret, they are trusting that Thel isn’t spying on him and thus likely to discover the whole thing like Jul did.
>
> - They didn’t take into account the Sangheili’s vast number of colonies and the military might that was available out there. They only targeted Sanghelios pointlessly, the centre of power of their only ally, whilst Jul 'Mdama built the Neo-Covenant from the outer Sangheili colonies. Derp.
>
> - By attacking Thel and not taking into account the many hostile factions out there in the murky depths of Covenant colonial space, they increased humanity’s chances of extinction. A weak Thel means that humanity merely has to shoulder more of the security burden that both undoubtedly share together in the face of such a large number of threats.
>
> - They also failed to take into account how a weakened Sanghelios would tempt the Brute lead factions to invade human and Sangheili space, who they would be unlikely to view as being unaffiliated with each other now. Again, a weakened Sanghelios merely means that humanity has to shoulder more of the defence burden.
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> - No one asked how the hell shipments of plasma rifles was supposed to prop up a rebellion against a heavily armed and defended power like Vadam State, who had starships. No one questioned the abilities of 'Telcam when his opponents were two of the greatest military geniuses alive - Thel 'Vadam and Rtas 'Vadum.
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> > Incite a civil war, arm both sides and buy the UNSC time to rebuild and rearm was a sound if short term solution.
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> Except that there aren’t two sides. There’s several dozen, scattered over an area of space larger than UNSC space, and all ONI knew at the time was that out of all of that, Thel 'Vadam was their only ally.
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> And they decide to attack him. Total idiots.
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> Also, the UNSC is going to take decades to rebuild and re-arm, so they can’t rely on crappy gun-running ops like this in order to get them by until they are strong enough to fend for themselves.
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> > Throwing Halsey under the bus for the Spartan II program, ONI get their scape goat and get a genius to do what they want with. Win Win for ONI.
>
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> Except that her maltreatment caused her to leave and even worse, defect to the enemy. If you mistreat your employees, you can’t be surprised when they tell you to go F yourself. Now their only chance of controlling the Infinity’s Engines or in making progress with Forerunner technology at a rate that can compete with the Sangheili no longer wants to work for them. Instead they are stuck with Glassman, who doesn’t know anything about this stuff.
>
> And that’s only the recent stuff too. ONI are responsible for the Insurrection and arguably the technological and cultural stagnation of the human race by protecting the interests of interstellar megacorps and their monopolies, as well as Earth Imperialism, rather than the interests of human individuals and colonies.
>
> ONI are your textbook comic-book villain organisation. I’m hopeful that John having went AWOL is finally an indicator that we will be rid of these trolls quite soon.

yup

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> > The Kilo-Five operation made a lot of sense to me, yes the Elites are friends now but for 30 years they didn’t question any their leaders as they murdered billions so whose to say they wouldn’t turn around and decide that humans should be wiped out with their still sizeable fleet.
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> The Elites did start to question their leaders and this is very well documented nowadays. Thus the likelihood of them collectively turning on humans was non-existent. The Covenant only ended because of the political ramifications of the human-Covenant war at the time within the Elite’s, and if betrayal was a likely component of the Elite’s future actions then the Covenant wouldn’t have broken apart nor would Earth have been spared a glassing after Halo 3. If ONI were knowledgeable of Sanghelios to the extent where they could find the Servants of Abiding Truth and plan an operation like this then they should have known that. The Kilo-5 operation was a total farce, because in spite of that ONI still decided to potentially ruin the political trend that saved them from being glassed by pulling a stupid stunt like this.
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> Other reasons why ONI are incompetent:
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> - They didn’t use an intermediary to deliver the weapons to Telcam, so not only are they trusting that 'Telcam is competent enough to keep this a secret, they are trusting that Thel isn’t spying on him and thus likely to discover the whole thing like Jul did.
>
> - They didn’t take into account the Sangheili’s vast number of colonies and the military might that was available out there. They only targeted Sanghelios pointlessly, the centre of power of their only ally, whilst Jul 'Mdama built the Neo-Covenant from the outer Sangheili colonies. Derp.
>
> - By attacking Thel and not taking into account the many hostile factions out there in the murky depths of Covenant colonial space, they increased humanity’s chances of extinction. A weak Thel means that humanity merely has to shoulder more of the security burden that both undoubtedly share together in the face of such a large number of threats.
>
> - They also failed to take into account how a weakened Sanghelios would tempt the Brute lead factions to invade human and Sangheili space, who they would be unlikely to view as being unaffiliated with each other now. Again, a weakened Sanghelios merely means that humanity has to shoulder more of the defence burden.
>
> - No one asked how the hell shipments of plasma rifles was supposed to prop up a rebellion against a heavily armed and defended power like Vadam State, who had starships. No one questioned the abilities of 'Telcam when his opponents were two of the greatest military geniuses alive - Thel 'Vadam and Rtas 'Vadum.
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> > Incite a civil war, arm both sides and buy the UNSC time to rebuild and rearm was a sound if short term solution.
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> Except that there aren’t two sides. There’s several dozen, scattered over an area of space larger than UNSC space, and all ONI knew at the time was that out of all of that, Thel 'Vadam was their only ally.
>
> And they decide to attack him. Total idiots.
>
> Also, the UNSC is going to take decades to rebuild and re-arm, so they can’t rely on crappy gun-running ops like this in order to get them by until they are strong enough to fend for themselves.
>
>
>
> > Throwing Halsey under the bus for the Spartan II program, ONI get their scape goat and get a genius to do what they want with. Win Win for ONI.
>
>
>
> Except that her maltreatment caused her to leave and even worse, defect to the enemy. If you mistreat your employees, you can’t be surprised when they tell you to go F yourself. Now their only chance of controlling the Infinity’s Engines or in making progress with Forerunner technology at a rate that can compete with the Sangheili no longer wants to work for them. Instead they are stuck with Glassman, who doesn’t know anything about this stuff.
>
> And that’s only the recent stuff too. ONI are responsible for the Insurrection and arguably the technological and cultural stagnation of the human race by protecting the interests of interstellar megacorps and their monopolies, as well as Earth Imperialism, rather than the interests of human individuals and colonies.
>
> ONI are your textbook comic-book villain organisation. I’m hopeful that John having went AWOL is finally an indicator that we will be rid of these trolls quite soon.

No.
ONI are responsible of salvation of the human race and of many technological progresses.
They are not responsible for insurrection.

in no way ONI has more sins than your friends -Yoink- elites, in no way they were less justified. But yeah, you justify glassings but not the Spartan II program? With your dubious ethics you could have worked for Beta 5, under ackerson, if only you were a bit more loyal to humanity and less to our enemies.

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Well, as long as ONI makes the elites pay for their crimes, they can do whatever they want

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> No.

Yes. Also once again Pix, if you’ve got nothing better to do than post factually incorrect misinformation in response to my posts that are not even tangentially relevant to what I said, and without making even so much as a rudimentary attempt to refute what I actually said, then you may be better off not trying to argue with me at all because it will get you nowhere.

I make note however of your avoidance of the points I raised in my original post.

> ONI are responsible of salvation of the human race and of many technological progresses.

That’s not correct. Halsey is responsible for mostly all of Humanity’s modernised technology. ONI are responsible for nothing but funding her or extrapolating upon her innovations. Mjolnir armour, transhumanity, next-gen AI technology, energy shielding and almost all knowledge on Forerunner and Covenant technology are due to her contributions. Here’s a list of things that ONI did without Halsey being involved:

The Orion Program.
The Rhino.
The Mona Lisa Flood Research.
Operation Kilo-5.
Study of the Janus Key.
Ongoing attempts to bring Infinity’s engines under control.

As we all know, these were less than successful programs. ONI are responsible for having provided key intelligence during the war about Covenant fleet movements, and in finally breaking their encryption codes after 30 years of studying them, as well as in attenuating and confusing deep space signals from 21st century Earth to prevent Covenant triangulation and of course in creating the Cole Protocol. These are important. However, they are no more important than the contributions of the UNSC Navy, Army or the Spartans. Throwing money at Halsey, and scaling up her work, doesn’t mean they take the credit for her work. Nor do they take credit for what John did just because they threw money at Halsey who made him his armour, augmentations and Cortana.

> They are not responsible for insurrection.

They are responsible for pushing the UNSC’s draconian approach to colonial governance in response to the discovery of Forerunner artefacts, because they wanted sole control:

From page 43 of the Halo Encyclopaedia:

> The complete power that ONI exercised over the control of research and information flow from these various discoveries showed their growing power within the UNSC and the Government’s desire to maintain control over the colonies. As humanity expanded, the UNSC took every step necessary to keep its grip on the Outer colonies. The Inner colonies depended on UNSC-maintained supply lines. By the 2400’s, Outer, and even many Inner, colonies soon began to question the often-draconian interference of the UNSC in what was supposed to be a confederation of independently governed worlds. The great dream that had swept humanity into new worlds had begun to sour in the minds of many of its colonies. This lead to rebellion among the various worlds and to the inevitable outbreak of civil war war among humans.

For another example of the stifling nature of ONI’s puppeteering of humanity, we can look at the history of the colony world of Charybdis IX in the Cole Protocol where an out of control mega-corp moved in and destroyed the colony’s local markets and businesses. It turned the colony into a corporate oligarchy by supplanting colonial governance and turning it into a puppet administration. It paid people -Yoink- wages whilst inflation went through the roof. When people rebelled, ONI and the UNSC came in and put down the rebellion in support of the corporation, not caring at all about the appalling living conditions of people on the colony. This practice will likely be the reason behind why there’s hardly any innovation in humanity and why its technology is centuries behind where it should be. All innovation and research is locked away under ONI and UNSC supported monopolies.

> in no way ONI has more sins than your friends -Yoink- elites

Elites are a species. ONI is an organisation with an agenda. The two are not even remotely comparable.

> But yeah, you justify glassings but not the Spartan II program?

Quote where I said that, please.

> With your dubious ethics you could have worked for Beta 5, under ackerson, if only you were a bit more loyal to humanity and less to our enemies.

Na. I’d much rather be on the colony Venezia getting drunk with Grunts and Jackals than being an -Yoink!- retentive ONI agent taking orders from Kim Jong Osman about how best to poison every Sangheili child with crop weapons.

But that’s just me.

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ONi wants to save the human race by doing everything possible that can harm the human race. Sure, seems legit.

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> > > The Kilo-Five operation made a lot of sense to me, yes the Elites are friends now but for 30 years they didn’t question any their leaders as they murdered billions so whose to say they wouldn’t turn around and decide that humans should be wiped out with their still sizeable fleet.
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> > The Elites did start to question their leaders and this is very well documented nowadays. Thus the likelihood of them collectively turning on humans was non-existent. The Covenant only ended because of the political ramifications of the human-Covenant war at the time within the Elite’s, and if betrayal was a likely component of the Elite’s future actions then the Covenant wouldn’t have broken apart nor would Earth have been spared a glassing after Halo 3. If ONI were knowledgeable of Sanghelios to the extent where they could find the Servants of Abiding Truth and plan an operation like this then they should have known that. The Kilo-5 operation was a total farce, because in spite of that ONI still decided to potentially ruin the political trend that saved them from being glassed by pulling a stupid stunt like this.
> >
> > Other reasons why ONI are incompetent:
> >
> > - They didn’t use an intermediary to deliver the weapons to Telcam, so not only are they trusting that 'Telcam is competent enough to keep this a secret, they are trusting that Thel isn’t spying on him and thus likely to discover the whole thing like Jul did.
> >
> > - They didn’t take into account the Sangheili’s vast number of colonies and the military might that was available out there. They only targeted Sanghelios pointlessly, the centre of power of their only ally, whilst Jul 'Mdama built the Neo-Covenant from the outer Sangheili colonies. Derp.
> >
> > - By attacking Thel and not taking into account the many hostile factions out there in the murky depths of Covenant colonial space, they increased humanity’s chances of extinction. A weak Thel means that humanity merely has to shoulder more of the security burden that both undoubtedly share together in the face of such a large number of threats.
> >
> > - They also failed to take into account how a weakened Sanghelios would tempt the Brute lead factions to invade human and Sangheili space, who they would be unlikely to view as being unaffiliated with each other now. Again, a weakened Sanghelios merely means that humanity has to shoulder more of the defence burden.
> >
> > - No one asked how the hell shipments of plasma rifles was supposed to prop up a rebellion against a heavily armed and defended power like Vadam State, who had starships. No one questioned the abilities of 'Telcam when his opponents were two of the greatest military geniuses alive - Thel 'Vadam and Rtas 'Vadum.
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> > > Incite a civil war, arm both sides and buy the UNSC time to rebuild and rearm was a sound if short term solution.
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> > Except that there aren’t two sides. There’s several dozen, scattered over an area of space larger than UNSC space, and all ONI knew at the time was that out of all of that, Thel 'Vadam was their only ally.
> >
> > And they decide to attack him. Total idiots.
> >
> > Also, the UNSC is going to take decades to rebuild and re-arm, so they can’t rely on crappy gun-running ops like this in order to get them by until they are strong enough to fend for themselves.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Throwing Halsey under the bus for the Spartan II program, ONI get their scape goat and get a genius to do what they want with. Win Win for ONI.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Except that her maltreatment caused her to leave and even worse, defect to the enemy. If you mistreat your employees, you can’t be surprised when they tell you to go F yourself. Now their only chance of controlling the Infinity’s Engines or in making progress with Forerunner technology at a rate that can compete with the Sangheili no longer wants to work for them. Instead they are stuck with Glassman, who doesn’t know anything about this stuff.
> >
> > And that’s only the recent stuff too. ONI are responsible for the Insurrection and arguably the technological and cultural stagnation of the human race by protecting the interests of interstellar megacorps and their monopolies, as well as Earth Imperialism, rather than the interests of human individuals and colonies.
> >
> > ONI are your textbook comic-book villain organisation. I’m hopeful that John having went AWOL is finally an indicator that we will be rid of these trolls quite soon.
>
>
> No.
> ONI are responsible of salvation of the human race and of many technological progresses.
> They are not responsible for insurrection.
>
> in no way ONI has more sins than your friends -Yoink- elites, in no way they were less justified. But yeah, you justify glassings but not the Spartan II program? With your dubious ethics you could have worked for Beta 5, under ackerson, if only you were a bit more loyal to humanity and less to our enemies.

cough what?

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> > > > The Kilo-Five operation made a lot of sense to me, yes the Elites are friends now but for 30 years they didn’t question any their leaders as they murdered billions so whose to say they wouldn’t turn around and decide that humans should be wiped out with their still sizeable fleet.
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> > > The Elites did start to question their leaders and this is very well documented nowadays. Thus the likelihood of them collectively turning on humans was non-existent. The Covenant only ended because of the political ramifications of the human-Covenant war at the time within the Elite’s, and if betrayal was a likely component of the Elite’s future actions then the Covenant wouldn’t have broken apart nor would Earth have been spared a glassing after Halo 3. If ONI were knowledgeable of Sanghelios to the extent where they could find the Servants of Abiding Truth and plan an operation like this then they should have known that. The Kilo-5 operation was a total farce, because in spite of that ONI still decided to potentially ruin the political trend that saved them from being glassed by pulling a stupid stunt like this.
> > >
> > > Other reasons why ONI are incompetent:
> > >
> > > - They didn’t use an intermediary to deliver the weapons to Telcam, so not only are they trusting that 'Telcam is competent enough to keep this a secret, they are trusting that Thel isn’t spying on him and thus likely to discover the whole thing like Jul did.
> > >
> > > - They didn’t take into account the Sangheili’s vast number of colonies and the military might that was available out there. They only targeted Sanghelios pointlessly, the centre of power of their only ally, whilst Jul 'Mdama built the Neo-Covenant from the outer Sangheili colonies. Derp.
> > >
> > > - By attacking Thel and not taking into account the many hostile factions out there in the murky depths of Covenant colonial space, they increased humanity’s chances of extinction. A weak Thel means that humanity merely has to shoulder more of the security burden that both undoubtedly share together in the face of such a large number of threats.
> > >
> > > - They also failed to take into account how a weakened Sanghelios would tempt the Brute lead factions to invade human and Sangheili space, who they would be unlikely to view as being unaffiliated with each other now. Again, a weakened Sanghelios merely means that humanity has to shoulder more of the defence burden.
> > >
> > > - No one asked how the hell shipments of plasma rifles was supposed to prop up a rebellion against a heavily armed and defended power like Vadam State, who had starships. No one questioned the abilities of 'Telcam when his opponents were two of the greatest military geniuses alive - Thel 'Vadam and Rtas 'Vadum.
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> > >
> > >
> > > > Incite a civil war, arm both sides and buy the UNSC time to rebuild and rearm was a sound if short term solution.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Except that there aren’t two sides. There’s several dozen, scattered over an area of space larger than UNSC space, and all ONI knew at the time was that out of all of that, Thel 'Vadam was their only ally.
> > >
> > > And they decide to attack him. Total idiots.
> > >
> > > Also, the UNSC is going to take decades to rebuild and re-arm, so they can’t rely on crappy gun-running ops like this in order to get them by until they are strong enough to fend for themselves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Throwing Halsey under the bus for the Spartan II program, ONI get their scape goat and get a genius to do what they want with. Win Win for ONI.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Except that her maltreatment caused her to leave and even worse, defect to the enemy. If you mistreat your employees, you can’t be surprised when they tell you to go F yourself. Now their only chance of controlling the Infinity’s Engines or in making progress with Forerunner technology at a rate that can compete with the Sangheili no longer wants to work for them. Instead they are stuck with Glassman, who doesn’t know anything about this stuff.
> > >
> > > And that’s only the recent stuff too. ONI are responsible for the Insurrection and arguably the technological and cultural stagnation of the human race by protecting the interests of interstellar megacorps and their monopolies, as well as Earth Imperialism, rather than the interests of human individuals and colonies.
> > >
> > > ONI are your textbook comic-book villain organisation. I’m hopeful that John having went AWOL is finally an indicator that we will be rid of these trolls quite soon.
> >
> >
> >
> > No.
> > ONI are responsible of salvation of the human race and of many technological progresses.
> > They are not responsible for insurrection.
> >
> > in no way ONI has more sins than your friends -Yoink- elites, in no way they were less justified. But yeah, you justify glassings but not the Spartan II program? With your dubious ethics you could have worked for Beta 5, under ackerson, if only you were a bit more loyal to humanity and less to our enemies.
>
>
> cough what?

What you see is someone who doesn’t actually read what someone else said and just goes after a fictitious argument because it is easier.

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> ONi wants to save the human race by doing everything possible that can harm the human race. Sure, seems legit.

I agree, ONI’s actions are majorly inhumane, which just wrong. It is like the chemical weapons in World War I. Sure it got the job done, but was very unnecessary.

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> > > 2533274881534340;10:
> > > > 2533274835068816;7:
> > > > > 2533274826317859;1:
> > > > > The Kilo-Five operation made a lot of sense to me, yes the Elites are friends now but for 30 years they didn’t question any their leaders as they murdered billions so whose to say they wouldn’t turn around and decide that humans should be wiped out with their still sizeable fleet.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Elites did start to question their leaders and this is very well documented nowadays. Thus the likelihood of them collectively turning on humans was non-existent. The Covenant only ended because of the political ramifications of the human-Covenant war at the time within the Elite’s, and if betrayal was a likely component of the Elite’s future actions then the Covenant wouldn’t have broken apart nor would Earth have been spared a glassing after Halo 3. If ONI were knowledgeable of Sanghelios to the extent where they could find the Servants of Abiding Truth and plan an operation like this then they should have known that. The Kilo-5 operation was a total farce, because in spite of that ONI still decided to potentially ruin the political trend that saved them from being glassed by pulling a stupid stunt like this.
> > > >
> > > > Other reasons why ONI are incompetent:
> > > >
> > > > - They didn’t use an intermediary to deliver the weapons to Telcam, so not only are they trusting that 'Telcam is competent enough to keep this a secret, they are trusting that Thel isn’t spying on him and thus likely to discover the whole thing like Jul did.
> > > >
> > > > - They didn’t take into account the Sangheili’s vast number of colonies and the military might that was available out there. They only targeted Sanghelios pointlessly, the centre of power of their only ally, whilst Jul 'Mdama built the Neo-Covenant from the outer Sangheili colonies. Derp.
> > > >
> > > > - By attacking Thel and not taking into account the many hostile factions out there in the murky depths of Covenant colonial space, they increased humanity’s chances of extinction. A weak Thel means that humanity merely has to shoulder more of the security burden that both undoubtedly share together in the face of such a large number of threats.
> > > >
> > > > - They also failed to take into account how a weakened Sanghelios would tempt the Brute lead factions to invade human and Sangheili space, who they would be unlikely to view as being unaffiliated with each other now. Again, a weakened Sanghelios merely means that humanity has to shoulder more of the defence burden.
> > > >
> > > > - No one asked how the hell shipments of plasma rifles was supposed to prop up a rebellion against a heavily armed and defended power like Vadam State, who had starships. No one questioned the abilities of 'Telcam when his opponents were two of the greatest military geniuses alive - Thel 'Vadam and Rtas 'Vadum.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Incite a civil war, arm both sides and buy the UNSC time to rebuild and rearm was a sound if short term solution.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Except that there aren’t two sides. There’s several dozen, scattered over an area of space larger than UNSC space, and all ONI knew at the time was that out of all of that, Thel 'Vadam was their only ally.
> > > >
> > > > And they decide to attack him. Total idiots.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the UNSC is going to take decades to rebuild and re-arm, so they can’t rely on crappy gun-running ops like this in order to get them by until they are strong enough to fend for themselves.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Throwing Halsey under the bus for the Spartan II program, ONI get their scape goat and get a genius to do what they want with. Win Win for ONI.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Except that her maltreatment caused her to leave and even worse, defect to the enemy. If you mistreat your employees, you can’t be surprised when they tell you to go F yourself. Now their only chance of controlling the Infinity’s Engines or in making progress with Forerunner technology at a rate that can compete with the Sangheili no longer wants to work for them. Instead they are stuck with Glassman, who doesn’t know anything about this stuff.
> > > >
> > > > And that’s only the recent stuff too. ONI are responsible for the Insurrection and arguably the technological and cultural stagnation of the human race by protecting the interests of interstellar megacorps and their monopolies, as well as Earth Imperialism, rather than the interests of human individuals and colonies.
> > > >
> > > > ONI are your textbook comic-book villain organisation. I’m hopeful that John having went AWOL is finally an indicator that we will be rid of these trolls quite soon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No.
> > > ONI are responsible of salvation of the human race and of many technological progresses.
> > > They are not responsible for insurrection.
> > >
> > > in no way ONI has more sins than your friends -Yoink- elites, in no way they were less justified. But yeah, you justify glassings but not the Spartan II program? With your dubious ethics you could have worked for Beta 5, under ackerson, if only you were a bit more loyal to humanity and less to our enemies.
> >
> >
> >
> > cough what?
>
>
> What you see is someone who doesn’t actually read what someone else said and just goes after a fictitious argument because it is easier.

I think he forgot that ONI did a lot of awful things for the sake of “humanity”

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> > 2533274807399716;14:
> > > 2533274881534340;10:
> > > > 2533274835068816;7:
> > > > > 2533274826317859;1:
> > > > > The Kilo-Five operation made a lot of sense to me, yes the Elites are friends now but for 30 years they didn’t question any their leaders as they murdered billions so whose to say they wouldn’t turn around and decide that humans should be wiped out with their still sizeable fleet.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Elites did start to question their leaders and this is very well documented nowadays. Thus the likelihood of them collectively turning on humans was non-existent. The Covenant only ended because of the political ramifications of the human-Covenant war at the time within the Elite’s, and if betrayal was a likely component of the Elite’s future actions then the Covenant wouldn’t have broken apart nor would Earth have been spared a glassing after Halo 3. If ONI were knowledgeable of Sanghelios to the extent where they could find the Servants of Abiding Truth and plan an operation like this then they should have known that. The Kilo-5 operation was a total farce, because in spite of that ONI still decided to potentially ruin the political trend that saved them from being glassed by pulling a stupid stunt like this.
> > > >
> > > > Other reasons why ONI are incompetent:
> > > >
> > > > - They didn’t use an intermediary to deliver the weapons to Telcam, so not only are they trusting that 'Telcam is competent enough to keep this a secret, they are trusting that Thel isn’t spying on him and thus likely to discover the whole thing like Jul did.
> > > >
> > > > - They didn’t take into account the Sangheili’s vast number of colonies and the military might that was available out there. They only targeted Sanghelios pointlessly, the centre of power of their only ally, whilst Jul 'Mdama built the Neo-Covenant from the outer Sangheili colonies. Derp.
> > > >
> > > > - By attacking Thel and not taking into account the many hostile factions out there in the murky depths of Covenant colonial space, they increased humanity’s chances of extinction. A weak Thel means that humanity merely has to shoulder more of the security burden that both undoubtedly share together in the face of such a large number of threats.
> > > >
> > > > - They also failed to take into account how a weakened Sanghelios would tempt the Brute lead factions to invade human and Sangheili space, who they would be unlikely to view as being unaffiliated with each other now. Again, a weakened Sanghelios merely means that humanity has to shoulder more of the defence burden.
> > > >
> > > > - No one asked how the hell shipments of plasma rifles was supposed to prop up a rebellion against a heavily armed and defended power like Vadam State, who had starships. No one questioned the abilities of 'Telcam when his opponents were two of the greatest military geniuses alive - Thel 'Vadam and Rtas 'Vadum.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Incite a civil war, arm both sides and buy the UNSC time to rebuild and rearm was a sound if short term solution.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Except that there aren’t two sides. There’s several dozen, scattered over an area of space larger than UNSC space, and all ONI knew at the time was that out of all of that, Thel 'Vadam was their only ally.
> > > >
> > > > And they decide to attack him. Total idiots.
> > > >
> > > > Also, the UNSC is going to take decades to rebuild and re-arm, so they can’t rely on crappy gun-running ops like this in order to get them by until they are strong enough to fend for themselves.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Throwing Halsey under the bus for the Spartan II program, ONI get their scape goat and get a genius to do what they want with. Win Win for ONI.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Except that her maltreatment caused her to leave and even worse, defect to the enemy. If you mistreat your employees, you can’t be surprised when they tell you to go F yourself. Now their only chance of controlling the Infinity’s Engines or in making progress with Forerunner technology at a rate that can compete with the Sangheili no longer wants to work for them. Instead they are stuck with Glassman, who doesn’t know anything about this stuff.
> > > >
> > > > And that’s only the recent stuff too. ONI are responsible for the Insurrection and arguably the technological and cultural stagnation of the human race by protecting the interests of interstellar megacorps and their monopolies, as well as Earth Imperialism, rather than the interests of human individuals and colonies.
> > > >
> > > > ONI are your textbook comic-book villain organisation. I’m hopeful that John having went AWOL is finally an indicator that we will be rid of these trolls quite soon.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > No.
> > > ONI are responsible of salvation of the human race and of many technological progresses.
> > > They are not responsible for insurrection.
> > >
> > > in no way ONI has more sins than your friends -Yoink- elites, in no way they were less justified. But yeah, you justify glassings but not the Spartan II program? With your dubious ethics you could have worked for Beta 5, under ackerson, if only you were a bit more loyal to humanity and less to our enemies.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > cough what?
>
>
>
> What you see is someone who doesn’t actually read what someone else said and just goes after a fictitious argument because it is easier.

No, he was seeing me commenting only the final part of Anton’s post, and provoke him to see if I get him to say that the genocide by the elites was more justified than the S-II program, this would make me resign from reading or answering any post from the user in future. Glad he didn’t…
My final lines need a knowledge of our previous discussions, that you sure have, cobra.

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> > > 2533274807399716;14:
> > > > 2533274881534340;10:
> > > > > 2533274835068816;7:
> > > > > > 2533274826317859;1:
> > > > > > The Kilo-Five operation made a lot of sense to me, yes the Elites are friends now but for 30 years they didn’t question any their leaders as they murdered billions so whose to say they wouldn’t turn around and decide that humans should be wiped out with their still sizeable fleet.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The Elites did start to question their leaders and this is very well documented nowadays. Thus the likelihood of them collectively turning on humans was non-existent. The Covenant only ended because of the political ramifications of the human-Covenant war at the time within the Elite’s, and if betrayal was a likely component of the Elite’s future actions then the Covenant wouldn’t have broken apart nor would Earth have been spared a glassing after Halo 3. If ONI were knowledgeable of Sanghelios to the extent where they could find the Servants of Abiding Truth and plan an operation like this then they should have known that. The Kilo-5 operation was a total farce, because in spite of that ONI still decided to potentially ruin the political trend that saved them from being glassed by pulling a stupid stunt like this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Other reasons why ONI are incompetent:
> > > > >
> > > > > - They didn’t use an intermediary to deliver the weapons to Telcam, so not only are they trusting that 'Telcam is competent enough to keep this a secret, they are trusting that Thel isn’t spying on him and thus likely to discover the whole thing like Jul did.
> > > > >
> > > > > - They didn’t take into account the Sangheili’s vast number of colonies and the military might that was available out there. They only targeted Sanghelios pointlessly, the centre of power of their only ally, whilst Jul 'Mdama built the Neo-Covenant from the outer Sangheili colonies. Derp.
> > > > >
> > > > > - By attacking Thel and not taking into account the many hostile factions out there in the murky depths of Covenant colonial space, they increased humanity’s chances of extinction. A weak Thel means that humanity merely has to shoulder more of the security burden that both undoubtedly share together in the face of such a large number of threats.
> > > > >
> > > > > - They also failed to take into account how a weakened Sanghelios would tempt the Brute lead factions to invade human and Sangheili space, who they would be unlikely to view as being unaffiliated with each other now. Again, a weakened Sanghelios merely means that humanity has to shoulder more of the defence burden.
> > > > >
> > > > > - No one asked how the hell shipments of plasma rifles was supposed to prop up a rebellion against a heavily armed and defended power like Vadam State, who had starships. No one questioned the abilities of 'Telcam when his opponents were two of the greatest military geniuses alive - Thel 'Vadam and Rtas 'Vadum.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Incite a civil war, arm both sides and buy the UNSC time to rebuild and rearm was a sound if short term solution.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Except that there aren’t two sides. There’s several dozen, scattered over an area of space larger than UNSC space, and all ONI knew at the time was that out of all of that, Thel 'Vadam was their only ally.
> > > > >
> > > > > And they decide to attack him. Total idiots.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, the UNSC is going to take decades to rebuild and re-arm, so they can’t rely on crappy gun-running ops like this in order to get them by until they are strong enough to fend for themselves.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Throwing Halsey under the bus for the Spartan II program, ONI get their scape goat and get a genius to do what they want with. Win Win for ONI.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Except that her maltreatment caused her to leave and even worse, defect to the enemy. If you mistreat your employees, you can’t be surprised when they tell you to go F yourself. Now their only chance of controlling the Infinity’s Engines or in making progress with Forerunner technology at a rate that can compete with the Sangheili no longer wants to work for them. Instead they are stuck with Glassman, who doesn’t know anything about this stuff.
> > > > >
> > > > > And that’s only the recent stuff too. ONI are responsible for the Insurrection and arguably the technological and cultural stagnation of the human race by protecting the interests of interstellar megacorps and their monopolies, as well as Earth Imperialism, rather than the interests of human individuals and colonies.
> > > > >
> > > > > ONI are your textbook comic-book villain organisation. I’m hopeful that John having went AWOL is finally an indicator that we will be rid of these trolls quite soon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > > > ONI are responsible of salvation of the human race and of many technological progresses.
> > > > They are not responsible for insurrection.
> > > >
> > > > in no way ONI has more sins than your friends -Yoink- elites, in no way they were less justified. But yeah, you justify glassings but not the Spartan II program? With your dubious ethics you could have worked for Beta 5, under ackerson, if only you were a bit more loyal to humanity and less to our enemies.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > cough what?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What you see is someone who doesn’t actually read what someone else said and just goes after a fictitious argument because it is easier.
>
>
>
> I think he forgot that ONI did a lot of awful things for the sake of “humanity”

Yeah, like cortana? You like cortana? What about Mjolnir? No, it’s -Yoink-, better to stay in marine BDU, right?
I’m not doing a moral apologise of ONI. They are amoral liars and criminals (in the sense of, let’s say officially clandestine). But I believe they have done what was needed, and beside that, they did it for humanity’s sake. Also, there were positive results to their work. Damn, section three does asymmetrical warfare and research and development, yeah they do it sacrificing minorities for the majority, this is questionable on a moral level, but has got it’s results, although it’s not always the most effective method (see johnson).

This said, yes CINCONI did mistakes. I’m not pro Osman or Parangosky and really believe they are different from section three, for example. But don’t blame everyone in ONI for the mistakes of the two.

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> > No.
>
>
>
>
> Yes. Also once again Pix, if you’ve got nothing better to do than post factually incorrect misinformation in response to my posts that are not even tangentially relevant to what I said, and without making even so much as a rudimentary attempt to refute what I actually said, then you may be better off not trying to argue with me at all because it will get you nowhere.
>
> I make note however of your avoidance of the points I raised in my original post.
>
>
>
> > ONI are responsible of salvation of the human race and of many technological progresses.
>
>
>
>
> That’s not correct. Halsey is responsible for mostly all of Humanity’s modernised technology. ONI are responsible for nothing but funding her or extrapolating upon her innovations. Mjolnir armour, transhumanity, next-gen AI technology, energy shielding and almost all knowledge on Forerunner and Covenant technology are due to her contributions. Here’s a list of things that ONI did without Halsey being involved:
>
> The Orion Program.
> The Rhino.
> The Mona Lisa Flood Research.
> Operation Kilo-5.
> Study of the Janus Key.
> Ongoing attempts to bring Infinity’s engines under control.
>
> As we all know, these were less than successful programs. ONI are responsible for having provided key intelligence during the war about Covenant fleet movements, and in finally breaking their encryption codes after 30 years of studying them, as well as in attenuating and confusing deep space signals from 21st century Earth to prevent Covenant triangulation and of course in creating the Cole Protocol. These are important. However, they are no more important than the contributions of the UNSC Navy, Army or the Spartans. Throwing money at Halsey, and scaling up her work, doesn’t mean they take the credit for her work. Nor do they take credit for what John did just because they threw money at Halsey who made him his armour, augmentations and Cortana.
>
>
>
> > They are not responsible for insurrection.
>
>
>
>
> They are responsible for pushing the UNSC’s draconian approach to colonial governance in response to the discovery of Forerunner artefacts, because they wanted sole control:
>
> From page 43 of the Halo Encyclopaedia:
>
>
>
> > The complete power that ONI exercised over the control of research and information flow from these various discoveries showed their growing power within the UNSC and the Government’s desire to maintain control over the colonies. As humanity expanded, the UNSC took every step necessary to keep its grip on the Outer colonies. The Inner colonies depended on UNSC-maintained supply lines. By the 2400’s, Outer, and even many Inner, colonies soon began to question the often-draconian interference of the UNSC in what was supposed to be a confederation of independently governed worlds. The great dream that had swept humanity into new worlds had begun to sour in the minds of many of its colonies. This lead to rebellion among the various worlds and to the inevitable outbreak of civil war war among humans.
>
>
>
>
> For another example of the stifling nature of ONI’s puppeteering of humanity, we can look at the history of the colony world of Charybdis IX in the Cole Protocol where an out of control mega-corp moved in and destroyed the colony’s local markets and businesses. It turned the colony into a corporate oligarchy by supplanting colonial governance and turning it into a puppet administration. It paid people -Yoink- wages whilst inflation went through the roof. When people rebelled, ONI and the UNSC came in and put down the rebellion in support of the corporation, not caring at all about the appalling living conditions of people on the colony. This practice will likely be the reason behind why there’s hardly any innovation in humanity and why its technology is centuries behind where it should be. All innovation and research is locked away under ONI and UNSC supported monopolies.
>
>
>
> > in no way ONI has more sins than your friends -Yoink- elites
>
>
>
>
> Elites are a species. ONI is an organisation with an agenda. The two are not even remotely comparable.
>
>
>
> > But yeah, you justify glassings but not the Spartan II program?
>
>
>
>
> Quote where I said that, please.
>
>
>
> > With your dubious ethics you could have worked for Beta 5, under ackerson, if only you were a bit more loyal to humanity and less to our enemies.
>
>
>
> Na. I’d much rather be on the colony Venezia getting drunk with Grunts and Jackals than being an -Yoink!- retentive ONI agent taking orders from Kim Jong Osman about how best to poison every Sangheili child with crop weapons.
>
> But that’s just me.

Well, no Section three no Halsey, they were able to find her and give her what she needed. Also it’s wrong to think she did everything alone, without teams of scientists and AIs she wouldn’t have been able to do much. And not only in the sense of those who worked for her, there were also scientists independent from Halsey that were key factors for these innovations.
And there were successful programs not lead by Halsey, we have a list in her journal, Also,Nova Bomb? that’s not Halsey’s, but it’s great! The main problem is that we were told much of Section three’s work from Halsey’s point of view, so it’s much about her own researches.
I do agree Halsey was very important for many innovations, but that’s why she was chief scientist in ONI! ONI stabbing her is half a lie, it’s just Section three disappearing and CINCONI getting her revenge, so ONI is not completely against Halsey… These innovations come from the period when ONI and Halsey meant the same thing. (I mean, when she was part of section three and section three+UNSC appreciated her)

I don’t agree on ONI being cause of the insurrection, they were a factor, but not a main one, after all it was UNSC to enact the most strong and evident control on colonies.
The fact ONI controlled research doesn’t mean research was stopped. You can say everything about ONI, but not that they don’t actively pursue technological innovation.

You usually beat ONI harder than the covenant elites, that made me think… but gladly you agree with me that S-II had more justifications than glassing colonies.

PS: Excuse me for the multiple posts, I was answering three different authors…