Olive is heading in the right direction, however

It’s still a bad step.

Many love the idea of earning their armor and this being something you can earn certainly is a big step in the right direction but it’s very exclusive, even more so then Achilles was and the only foul of that armor was the prerequisites to obtaining it. The farmers certainly have tainted the image of the armor but it was meant to be a show of unity between players and their loyalty to their clans or companies. Olive is meant to show the effort put into what is literally building Halo. That’s what forgers have been doing for almost a decade now and they do deserve some sort of recognition received it then got another which feels unnecessary to those outside looking it.

Some feel cheated that they’ve supported the game for something they can never get and others just lack the diversity to obtain the armor. Too many get the shaft for the few who get the praise which they’ve already had. It’s like giving a trophy out to the first place winner then giving them a second trophy for earning the trophy. Their recognition is noted that second trophy just makes the competition salty, and so here we are.

So, please, no more incredibility niche armors but on that note I believe it’s useless to deny something without a substitute so I’ll try my best to help things for the future. So let’s take a look at Recon. Unlike Achilles or Olive it was more of a piece of armor that was known to be given out to the impressive members of the community not specifically a single group of people. Since 343i has made so many sub variants of armors with different designs why not make a single set of armor dedicated for the outstanding members of the community BUT for each away the person is known to be outstanding for, they are given a different variation of that armor.

I.E. Forgers would have a design resembling well, the concept of forging. Putting steel to heat, creating the perfect tool. It could have a Hammer and Anvil across the front of the armor with it’s arms scorched by the molten fragments dripping along the sides of their chest down to their legs.

Those who did some sort of crazy kill related feat could get bloody hand sprints and streaks across their armor similar to that of Sev from Star Wars Republic Commando. Add a few notches for the amount of people they killed making it even more unique for what I assume would be the most seen armor type and you’re good.

Speed Runners could basically just become the Flash. Armor covered with lightning bolts that flare up whenever they sprint. They could have their times printed on their armor and it could could flare when they sprint.

Finally for those who’ve spent time building up the famous Halo machinima’s and general YouTube content that could get an armor skin that has the faces of Tragedy and Comedy on their suits. Comedy on the front, tragedy on the back and each on their respective fists sort of like Love and Hate. Their armors and legs could also have a design resembling that of strings to a puppet and their helmet layer some like that of a mask. I’m not too into drama so I don’t know what would be an appropriate face mask for them.

Something like this breeds diversity with the armor sets but doesn’t make people feel alienated. It shows that you can get the armor under your terms instead of feeling like you’re out of the loop like what Olive does. To those who feel like Olive doesn’t do that You’ve never seen someone get a trophy for getting a trophy. I only made that comparison because that has happened to me and that same feeling is what I felt when I saw Olive. The Emblem is already a show of status, sort of like a badge of honor or the emblem to an elite unit, adding a helmet to it just splits the gap even further.

Another armor that I believe 343i did expertly well then ironically took a dump on was Helioskrill. It basically became the new Endure Achievement and those who did got what they wanted. It being added to the req pool kind of blew away the hype for it because why work for something when you can get it eventually.

So hopefully this will help paint and image as well as support new ideas. While the helmet will entice people to go out and preform well with forge, as it should, it doesn’t change that fact that it’s kind of a slick way for 343i to get people to do their work for them…
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YEP, I SOMEHOW TURNED IT 343i HATE! REMEMBER KIDS YOU CAN DO ANYTHING IF YOU BELIEVE!

On that note, the normal person can obtain Olive it again just feels too niche. Give people something to work for, not something that makes them change the way they have fun if they ever want to obtain it. At the end of the day this is still just a product meant to have fun with.

Forgers have their rewards for being outstanding but what about all the other people like Halocanon, RUL, NakedEli and Teh Spearhead. They’ve certainly left their mark on the community but are left out of the loop because they’ve focused their skills elsewhere.

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> “get bloody hand sprints and streaks across their armor similar to that of Sev from Star Wars Republic Commando.”

That skin is the main reason I want this.

With the editor, I’d be able to replicate all of Delta Squad’s armour skins.

Recon was an incredibly niche armour in Halo 3, and I think it was awesome then that so few people had it. It made it worth something and really cool to see. It’s the same case here. The people who got their maps into matchmaking deserve to get some recognition and a little something for their creations, I think the Olive helmet is a good way to do so.

I have to agree. It’s neat that forgers get a new helmet but there are plenty of other people in the Halo community that should get recognition as well for their efforts.

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> Recon was an incredibly niche armour in Halo 3, and I think it was awesome then that so few people had it. It made it worth something and really cool to see. It’s the same case here. The people who got their maps into matchmaking deserve to get some recognition and a little something for their creations, I think the Olive helmet is a good way to do so.

Getting recon was in no way niche, especially after ODST came out. There were multiple ways to get Recon armor, to my knowledge there wasn’t a preset rule to it besides impress Bungie. It could be a cone kill, take a picture that is actually worth a thousand words or have a successful YouTube series.

There is only one way to get Olive and that’s to be a Forger. If you’ve ever pulled your talents away from it because you either felt like it wasn’t your thing or because you didn’t enjoy it but that helmet is favorite design. Their only options are to go against all that you know in order to get it. That’s unfair to them since not only have Forgers already gotten their recognition with their own emblem which is like an official badge of honor but they get their own armor too.

Achilles hit it home with how to obtain it, every player knows how to kill and if you didn’t know how to do so special to the standards I.E. Final shot Medals, you had your allies fill in for you which was apart of the bond the armor was meant to breed. Sadly, as I said in my OP it was tarnished by farmers and this armor will be tarnished by the Forgers who look down to other players viewing their complaints of this exclusive armor as entitlement despite them being the first part of the sub-community to ever get exclusive gear.

Youtubers, speedrunners and not even celebrity members like Nathan Fillion or Jennifer Hale have gotten their own gear before. So everyone is supposed to keep on going despite the obvious favoritism that seems to exist only so 343i doesn’t have to make maps.

P.S. Been up all night, likely won’t reply to anything for awhile. Just wanted to inform you because I didn’t want you to think I was ignoring any future replies. Thanks for reading. I hope this does better to convey my thoughts.

One thing I think everyone overlooks is that those who worked on building Forge at 343 and those who made the maps for MP literally saved Halo 5.

  • They saved BTB - They saved Customs - They saved Infection - They saved Grifball - They fixed poorly designed arena mapsA gamemode is nothing without a map and the Forgers not only made decent maps, they made maps that are constantly updated overtime and in many cases better than the 343 dev maps, if it weren’t for the forgers Halo 5 wouldn’t be as fun as it is and the population would have died a lot faster. The hours and days that go into making a map along with playtesting shows a quality of skill not known in most FPS games.

They might get an emblem but how many players honestly would recognise or care about it more than the Olive helmet, I personally didn’t even know the forgers got an emblem what so ever, now if I see someone in matchmaking with the helmet I can instantly recognize that they have helped make Halo 5 a more enjoyable experience.But if its exclusivity had to be lowered 343 could give it out to those who make amazing prefabs with a certain amount of likes or award it to winners of community forge contests. They can still keep it within Forge whilst still having many ways to unlock it.

This was TLDR…what is olive? Isn’t that the pig in forge?

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> > “get bloody hand sprints and streaks across their armor similar to that of Sev from Star Wars Republic Commando.”
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> That skin is the main reason I want this.
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> With the editor, I’d be able to replicate all of Delta Squad’s armour skins.

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> > > “get bloody hand sprints and streaks across their armor similar to that of Sev from Star Wars Republic Commando.”
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> > That skin is the main reason I want this.
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> > With the editor, I’d be able to replicate all of Delta Squad’s armour skins.
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Actual skin, imagine it with the Defender helmet!

Another pic.

Delta 40 skin.

The issue I’m thinking is isn’t it kind of late to have that challenge. How long until they stop taking admissions for maps?

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> This was TLDR…what is olive? Isn’t that the pig in forge?

olive is now a fun little helmet you can get from getting a map into matchmaking.

Op feels it’s harder to get then Achilles, the rest is uncertain to me because I only read a little, lol.

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> > This was TLDR…what is olive? Isn’t that the pig in forge?
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> olive is now a fun little helmet you can get from getting a map into matchmaking.
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> Op feels it’s harder to get then Achilles, the rest is uncertain to me because I only read a little, lol.

Hmm seems way too hard.

I don’t mind 343 idea of obtaining the OLIVE helmet and if there will or will not be any others for different activities, even though we still have TIMMY to look forward to. What I am most excited for is 343 mentioning you will be able to earn some of the 2017 helmets which include Halo Reach’s Recon. Now being one of the players who completed the vidmasters back in Halo 3 and ODST to obtain the Recon armor, I am looking forward to 343 putting a vidmaster style task or achievements to once again obtain the Recon. Not many will get OLIVE but 343 has mentioned there will be ways to earn helmets in 2017.

I am a forger (a terrible forger) and I don’t expect that I will ever obtain the “Olive Helmet”, and honestly, I think that’s fine.

The forgers have breathed so much new life into this game and I think it’s great that 343 is rewarding them with exclusive armour.

I say go the extra mile and make even more super exclusive armour. Why not have one for a certain level of forum activity, or sharing a contest-winning screenshot or something. These personal touches could really help us celebrate the sheer level of diversity in the community.

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> > > > “get bloody hand sprints and streaks across their armor similar to that of Sev from Star Wars Republic Commando.”
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> Actual skin, imagine it with the Defender helmet!
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I think I just started drooling.

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> > > > > “get bloody hand sprints and streaks across their armor similar to that of Sev from Star Wars Republic Commando.”
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> > Actual skin, imagine it with the Defender helmet!
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> > Another pic.
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> > Delta 40 skin.
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> I think I just started drooling.

Republic Commando trailer. :grinning:

Republic Commando music video.

Epic game! :point_up_2:

Would love to be able to make the armour skins.