> > if you consider yourself a fan of something then you ARE a fan of that thing! because being a fan of something is simply liking it.
>
> wrong, its liking it because of its concepts, not because it is simply there and other people like it.
WHAT? I can be a fan of anything I want for any reason.
> All I know is according to this community, anyone who played Halo since C.E. is a “true fan”.
anyone who likes the concept of halo ce is a true fan.
> A true fan of something is a fan of what something is. Not what it is becoming.
> For example, if dubstep was considered rock. A true fan of rock would not like listening to dubstep. He would listen to what in his opinion was the good stuff.
>
> Same thing goes to halo.
>
> Am i saying that halo should stay the same game after game after game? no.
> The essence of halo gameplay (the core gameplay) still needs to be there.
> And based on what we’ve heard so far about halo 4, <mark>its not.</mark>
>
> So yea.
But they already told us it is and it will still play just like other Halo games.
> > > if you consider yourself a fan of something then you ARE a fan of that thing! because being a fan of something is simply liking it.
> >
> > wrong, its liking it because of its concepts, not because it is simply there and other people like it.
>
> WHAT? I can be a fan of anything I want for any reason.
you can THINK that.
MakeLoveNotWar:
you cant believe things just because someone told you it. You have to think independently.
Your either a fan of Halo or a member of the cult of 343
Fan of Halo: - Accepts that these changes are crap
Cult of 343: - Almost worships 343 with there overzealous attitude
I like Halo!
> > > > I consider myself a “true” fan of Halo. No one has the right to tell me otherwise.
> > >
> > > What makes halo halo to you?
> > >
> > > Im simply saying that people who like halo because its called halo and will play it because its a halo game are not true fans, they just think they are.
> >
> > And your the authority on who is more of a fan than who?
> >
> > Lol I’m not even going to read your reply.
>
> because you know ill win, amirite?
> I didnt say anyone is a bigger fan than anyone else. I simply said you cant be a true fan of something just because of its name.
You’re the one assuming I’m a fan of Halo just because of the title and that it has Master Chief in it. You’re the one who’s stupid enough to make up something about someone else based on nothing.
I’m a fan of Halo because that is what I chose to be. There is no clear definition of what makes Halo “Halo”. What makes Halo “Halo” is as complex as any other fictional universe filled with 100,000+ years of history, characters, and technology.
> > > if you consider yourself a fan of something then you ARE a fan of that thing! because being a fan of something is simply liking it.
> >
> > wrong, its liking it because of its concepts, not because it is simply there and other people like it.
>
> WHAT? I can be a fan of anything I want for any reason.
So why would you be a fan of something, if not for its unique properties, or at least it’s properties that you like?
I mean, what did you like about Halo multiplayer?
lol What a stupid thread.
I may not be a “True” Halo fan by this forums standards since I started with Halo 3, but I loved Halo 3 and have bought every game since. I was only 9 when CE came out and I lived in a strict household, I wasnt even allowed to play T games back then
Why am I not a true fan just because I was late to the party? Just because I’ve only loved it for 5 years means I don’t love it enough to matter?
I don’t like every single last thing I’m hearing about this game. However, thats true about every god -Yoink!- game that’s ever come out. Overall I think the game sounds amazing. I will buy it and enjoy it. If you can’t/won’t buy it that’s your problem. People need to quit thinking that just because they played CE means they should be the sole party tailored to.
Deal with it or go through with your threats and don’t buy it.
> > > > > I consider myself a “true” fan of Halo. No one has the right to tell me otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > What makes halo halo to you?
> > > >
> > > > Im simply saying that people who like halo because its called halo and will play it because its a halo game are not true fans, they just think they are.
> > >
> > > And your the authority on who is more of a fan than who?
> > >
> > > Lol I’m not even going to read your reply.
> >
> > because you know ill win, amirite?
> > I didnt say anyone is a bigger fan than anyone else. I simply said you cant be a true fan of something just because of its name.
>
> You’re the one assuming I’m a fan of Halo just because of the title and that it has Master Chief in it. You’re the one who’s stupid enough to make up something about someone else based on nothing.
>
> I’m a fan of Halo because that is what I chose to be. There is no clear definition of what makes Halo “Halo”. What makes Halo “Halo” is as complex as any other fictional universe filled with 100,000+ years of history, characters, and technology.
But in order to be a fan, you liked its original concept, right? either its story, or its gameplay. But people who will play it because they blindly worship the developers and will buy it because it says “halo” in the title are not fans, they are bandwagoners.
> Your either a fan of Halo or a member of the cult of 343
>
> Fan of Halo: - Accepts that these changes are crap
> - Doesn’t try to sugar coat it and say but they can make a classic playlist
> - Would like all of the features returning
> - Would like weapon spawn on location
> - Wouldn’t like perks
> - Wouldn’t like loadouts
> - Wouldn’t like COD Points
> If you are any of the above you are a “true fan”
>
> Cult of 343: - Almost worships 343 with there overzealous attitude
> - Thinks that 343 is a God that can do no wrong
> - Accepts waiting for more dissapointing info
> - Try’s to convince themselves that they like the changes
> If you are any of the above then for some unknown weird reason you are a fan of 343
THIS IN THE HEAVENS A THOUSAND TIMES OVER!!!
> > > Am i saying that halo should stay the same game after game after game? no.
> > > The essence of halo gameplay (the core gameplay) still needs to be there.
> > > And based on what we’ve heard so far about halo 4, its not.
> >
> > This is the problem. We haven’t seen how any of this new stuff works, so you can’t say that it destroys the “essence of Halo” because we don’t know how it affects it in the first place.
>
> YES WE CAN.
> 1st part of core gameplay: EVERYONE STARTS OFF THE SAME.
> Thats obviously gone.
> AND ITS THE BIGGEST PART.
For you, maybe.
For me, Halo is not about everyone starting off the same. This is true to Halo 1, 2 and 3, but not Reach. And I still consider Reach one of the Halo games. Why? Because of how it plays.
The way you handle your weapon, the way you move through the enviorments. Anyone can have an entirely different opinion to what the core in Halo is, and why that person is a fan of it. There are no rules.
Also, to everyone saying it will be like CoD in space: It will not, never ever. Call of Duty 2 will have more in common with Black Ops 2 than Halo 4 will. Why? Not because it’s Call of Duty, but because it playes like Call of Duty, even though many mechanics are different. Halo will never play like CoD even if there simular aspects. It will never feel like playing CoD, it will still play like a Halo game. As did Reach, which is why I enjoy a lot even though many other Halo fans don’t.
> > > > Am i saying that halo should stay the same game after game after game? no.
> > > > The essence of halo gameplay (the core gameplay) still needs to be there.
> > > > And based on what we’ve heard so far about halo 4, its not.
> > >
> > > This is the problem. We haven’t seen how any of this new stuff works, so you can’t say that it destroys the “essence of Halo” because we don’t know how it affects it in the first place.
> >
> > YES WE CAN.
> > 1st part of core gameplay: EVERYONE STARTS OFF THE SAME.
> > Thats obviously gone.
> > AND ITS THE BIGGEST PART.
>
> For you, maybe.
>
> For me, Halo is not about everyone starting off the same. This is true to Halo 1, 2 and 3, but not Reach. And I still consider Reach one of the Halo games. Why? Because of how it plays.
>
> The way you handle your weapon, the way you move through the enviorments. Anyone can have an entirely different opinion to what the core in Halo is, and why that person is a fan of it. There are no rules.
>
> Also, to everyone saying it will be like CoD in space: It will not, never ever. Call of Duty 2 will have more in common with Black Ops 2 than Halo 4 will. Why? Not because it’s Call of Duty, but because it playes like Call of Duty, even though many mechanics are different. Halo will never play like CoD even if there simular aspects. It will never feel like playing CoD, it will still play like a Halo game. As did Reach, which is why I enjoy a lot even though many other Halo fans don’t.
No. the core of halo was defined in its first game, halo CE. sequels are supposed to improve it if there are major problems, and ADD to it. Not change it.
All this hate on Halo 4, Reach and people that like change. If they made Halo the EXACT same way as Halo 1 from 2001 until now, how many people would be left playing it? Nobody. If Halo just stayed the EXACT same every game, it would sell nothing.
Now OP, no one can decide WHO is a “true fan” or not. A true fan is someone who likes a series for what it is and what it will become. they will accept the change that is coming, and not be a (no offense) whiny little -Yoink- about it. The first Halo game that i played was Reach. Since then i have owned Halo 3, ODST, and Anniversary, and i loved all of them. I consider myself a fan of the series, because i like everything about halo. the story, the gameplay, and the characters. i will accept the changes for halo 4, because i am curious to see how they will be implemented.
> All this hate on Halo 4, Reach and people that like change. If they made Halo the EXACT same way as Halo 1 from 2001 until now, how many people would be left playing it? Nobody. If Halo just stayed the EXACT same every game, it would sell nothing.
>
> Now OP, no one can decide WHO is a “true fan” or not. A true fan is someone who likes a series for what it is and what it will become. they will accept the change that is coming, and not be a (no offense) whiny little -Yoink- about it. The first Halo game that i played was Reach. Since then i have owned Halo 3, ODST, and Anniversary, and i loved all of them. I consider myself a fan of the series, because i like everything about halo. the story, the gameplay, and the characters. i will accept the changes for halo 4, because i am curious to see how they will be implemented.
true fans welcome change, but they dont like it when the foundation of their like for the concepts is uprooted and destroyed. as i said in the OP.
Im not being a whiny -Yoink-, im just tired of people saying “im buy halo 4 because even though it looks bad its a halo game, that makes me a true fan”
Meh A true halo fan sticks with you thick and thin provides critizism, positive, and negative feedback in a respectfull manner. A true halo fan has been playing snice the halo ce XBconnect/Gamespy days and stuck with it all the way to this point and will continue to do so because all of us here now are halo fans. Don’t divide yourselfs from one and other nuff said.
> true fans welcome change, but they dont like it when the foundation of their like for the concepts is uprooted and destroyed. as i said in the OP.
>
> Im not being a whiny -Yoink!-, im just tired of people saying “im buy halo 4 because even though it looks bad its a halo game, that makes me a true fan”
Yea, but you cant just split up a fanbase because of people saying “im going to buy Halo 4 because it’s Halo” and you cant say it looks bad. We’ve had VERRRRY insignificant glimpses into the game, so because they’re adding new stuff to the game you think that the core gameplay is gone. yea they’ve added perks, but they most likely make you more vulnerable to SOMETHING. yea, they’ve added custom loadouts, but you cant start with power weapons. that doesnt really change the gameplay. it just adds more skill into the mix. most of the time when i play a game on Reach or Halo 3, i just see people run in spraying bullets, and hoping that their so called “skill” will come in handy. Halo 4 is just going to make players play with a more strategic and tactical mind set than before. its not getting rid of the “Core” gameplay, its adding to it.
You could also think of it like this…
If you are a true fan of rock, you will appreciate most, if not all songs in that category.
If you like a specific genre of rock, then you are not a “true” rock fan.
Now lets convert this to halo… shall we?
If you are a true halo fan, you will appreciate what halo is becoming and has been, at the same time.
If you only like halo 2 or 3, then you are only a halo 2 or halo 3 fan, and therefore, not a “true” Halo fan.
But in all honesty, who are any of us to decide if another person is a true fan or not.
I am a True Halo Fan, I am excited for Halo 4. I am not afraid of the changes going to happen. If I wanted a Halo 1-3 feeling game, I will go play those games. Thing is, this is not Halo 1-3, this is Halo 4. Why shouldn’t it be different? There are many different types of fans, and they all have their own points of view on the game. I understand that people fell in love with the classic Halo’s. So did I, but I am open for changes, this game has still plenty of information waiting to be revealed, be patient and if you want to rant, wait until you have the full game, and you test it for yourself.
> A true fan of something is a fan of what something is. Not what it is becoming.
> For example, if dubstep was considered rock. A true fan of rock would not like listening to dubstep. He would listen to what in his opinion was the good stuff.
>
> Same thing goes to halo.
>
> Am i saying that halo should stay the same game after game after game? no.
> The essence of halo gameplay (the core gameplay) still needs to be there.
> And based on what we’ve heard so far about halo 4, its not.
>
> So yea.
So please explain to us what you think they should add to Halo that would make it different from last Halo but not completely destroy the formula.
It seems that people like you will trash any idea thrown out there. The truth is, you are saying Halo should stay the same, game after game, because if it didn’t, you’d be right back on these forums complaining that the game is ruined even with little to no information on how the new idea will be implemented.
The way I see it, only the core mechanics should remain identical.
Movement speed.
Jump Height.
No bloom.
Ability Pick-ups.
Maybe a few others.
They should work around all of that. And from the [b20 seconds** of the game I’ve seen, not heard about, they have stuck with 3 of those 4.
In order for a game to be successful it needs to evolve. Now I do believe things like armor abilities and bloom completely ruined Reach because they completely changed the way we play the game and it’s noticeable. The one thing I enjoyed was sprint. (I know, bring the hate!) I can’t, for the life of me, understand how it kills the gameplay other than I am forced to move slowly when regularly moving.
Look at Battlefield or CoD for example. They both have been around almost as long as Halo. Infinity Ward and DICE both realized that some changes needed to be made.
DICE added destructible environments to Battlefield and Infinity Ward added perks, kill rewards, and a progressive ranking system to Call of Duty. Both franchises are now more popular than they ever could have been before these huge changes.
Now I’m not trying to compare Halo to these games specifically. I’m just using them as examples as to how change is a good thing.
You just need to be more open minded about Halo and stop begging for it to be Halo 2 or 3 with better graphics. After all, if it’s that big of a deal to you, just go play Halo 3 and let us enjoy Halo 4 without you.
So again, please, doo tell what changes they should make without ruining the game.