Officially No Bot Bootcamp or PvE

Games Halo Infinite
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No XP though. The main point is there is no PvE that will earn you XP.

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What’s more is that the ability to play games completely offline is now gone. AND you need an Internet connection to use Forge. Three steps forward, 43 steps back.

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Truly, I miss the old days where games could be played without requiring an internet connection.

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Me too, sibling. Me too…

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WTF 343i why did you take away bot bootcamp. It was the only PvE mode you gave us. This lowers the rating I give Halo Infinite. Multiplayer wise now it a 2 out of 10. Campaign is 9 out of 10. I am having a hard time getting motivated to play Multiplayer even though there are things i want to get from the winter update pass. But with only PvP I find it I don’t even want to try to get them. Sad.

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Except you don’t gain exp from customs. Sometimes it’s nice to get exp against bots when wanting a more relaxing match since some online matchs in pvp can be stressful.

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…just play with people though …you don’t have to jump through loops in playlists now, easier than ever to complete challenges and you get xp just for playing.

And if you’re bad it’s okay, you’ll play with similar people. You don’t have to play Mr wanna be mlg pro.

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It’s only stressful if you make it stressful. It’s just a game.

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That logic is ridiculous. Everyone can have ‘bad days’ in-game. Just saying “it’s just a game” feels like a lazy excuse to defend nonsense and in some ways is kind of patronizing towards game dev’s that love making them.

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Listen, Bot Bootcamp probably should stick around, but literally zero people on the pro-bot-bootcamp side are thinking about this for more than five seconds.

Do you think that maybe, just maybe there’s a legitimate reason to not have bot bootcamp? Like, take a tiny step back and play devil’s advocate for just a moment and ask yourself “why would 343 remove the only bot playlist that’s been a mainstay for a year now? why would they do it for this update and not any previous update?”

Like, the reasoning behind the decision is so apparent.

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Yea bad days happen, and it’s okay. The sooner we all accept that, the better, no need to go off on the guy that’s 5-15. You shouldn’t feel the need to hide in bot boot camp of all places lol

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Dang, this is a bummer. Bot Bootcamp was a great way for new players to get into the groove of Halo.

The mode was also a great way to hunt achievements. I don’t think I could’ve gotten ‘Watt Say You?’ in any other playlist without getting extremely lucky.

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Yeah, this one got me pretty bad. I’m hoping that it’s a temporary thing while they gauge the rate of XP earning off every match, and figure out a good pace for that. Can’t really get a solid reading if everyone’s essentially cheesing against Bots.

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Left me absolutely 0 reason to go into the multiplayer menu anymore. Forge is great but no split screen on pc leaves it useless for me and my kid. I don’t even get excited about updates or news anymore games been nothing but disappointment after disappointment.

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I see no reason to return to Halo Infinite mp now. Terrible decision.

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Well you can still go into the academy and practice against bots there, and change the difficulty, number of bots, weapons, map, ect.

It’s not too much of a loss, but it’s still a shame to lose the mode

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no exp, no advancement of the battlepass for those who don’t want to play pvp and only jump in to play a few games a day against the bots to get their xp. 343 makes some stupid -Yoink!- decisions but this ranks up there pretty high. wasn’t hurting anyone or breaking anything, why remove it?

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Ok, so what’s the reasoning?

That’s the main issue here imo

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The playlist is detrimental by some metric. There is absolutely zero logical reason to remove it UNLESS 343 thinks that removing it would have a net benefit to the game. How would they come to this conclusion?

Player metrics.

343 has looked at player data and realized the best move for the game would be to disable the player’s ability to queue for bot bootcamp. But how could it benefit the game to remove bot bootcamp?

Some possibilities:

  1. 343 held a quiet A/B test in which they disabled some players’ abilities to match within Bot Bootcamp. This is the most unlikely scenario, but it is possible. Sometimes devs will perform A/B tests to see how users react to changes. If the results showed that a majority of players who weren’t able to play Bot Bootcamp would instead switch to a PvP playlist, this would be a signal that 343 should disable the playlist because it would boost matchmaking/retention in primary playlists.

  2. Bot Bootcamp was a drain. This is the most likely scenario. 343 knew that the number of players who used Bot Bootcamp was low, and those players didn’t have meaningful contributions to the health of the game (in the form of matchmaking or monetization, as cynical as that sounds). So they cut the mode.

  3. Challenge updates changed reliance on Bootcamp. This is an angle I haven’t seen many people consider, but I have several friends that only use bot bootcamp to farm specific challenges. With the massive overhaul to challenges, it would make sense if 343 looked at the data (realizing most bootcamp players used the playlist to farm specific challenges) and determined that Bootcamp challenge farmers would migrate to other playlists.

  4. PvP comes first. This is the core issue. At the end of the day, players who engage with other players are your core audience. Without them, the game falls apart. Bot bootcamp doesn’t have the retention, monetization, or session engagement that would be better served in other playlists. So… the decision is pretty straightforward if you look at numbers.

Kill one game mode to shuffle those users to other playlists that will help longevity.

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They should have kept it until there was a PvE mode. If PvP only is the way they are going then there will be many, many players not playing MP if you believe these posts and tweets. For most it is about the lack of PvE more than Bot Bootcamp itself.

The best thing we can do is not play Infinite at all. Go fill up Firefight in the other games to show 343 their mistake.

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