Official Ranking Petition - SIGN HERE!

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Want the 1 - 50 ranking system given back to us? Go here and sign this petition and leave a response in this thread.

We all agree: The 1 - 50 ranking system tied to all of the ranked playlists was the most fun, most competitive, most enjoyable aspect of online matchmaking. Without it, replaced with an obscure “division” ranking system that’s confusing and complex - especially to newcomers, creates a huge turn off for the game as a whole and strips away the very competitive aspect that we’ve all come to love and enjoy.

Please, give us back the 1 - 50 ranking system. Tie it into all of the playlists. The people -Yoink!- about cheating, and of course, the noobs, can have their social/skirmish playlists as well.

Step 1) Sign the petition here:

Step 2) Respond to this thread

Step 3) Write a new post here:
http://halo.xbox.com/forums/games/f/7/p/addpost.aspx

Speaking your mind about the 1 - 50 ranking system.

We can do this!

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You’re the person who quoted me in that other Arena thread. You inderectly called me a noob because I believe that the Arena rating system is fine.

You also stated that you bought Reach two days ago.

Do you really think it’s reasonable to complain about something you have barely even tried?

I checked your stats, you’ve played one game in the Arena, and you got worked…by terrible players.

You, and people like you, are why the Arena has a bad reputation. You get butthurt by the first few games you play in a playlist, blame your faults on a “terrible ranking system,” or bad teammates, start threads like this making everyone else believe your crap.

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I would have to say that I agree with NEXT. I think that the Arena ranking system works really well. I know that I really got agitated with people creating new profiles so that they could speed boost there numbers and get to somewhere that they weren’t actually at. The fact that you can improve your division from time to time without being locked into that one time you were playing really really bad is a breath of fresh air. Just my opinion.

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Arena could be better lol.

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> You also stated that you bought Reach two days ago. Do you really think it’s reasonable to complain about something you have barely even tried?

I’m not complaining about the game itself. I’m complaining about the ranking system. And yes, it is reasonable. It’s incredibly easy to put cause and effect together when you make an immediate switch from one system to another. It’s not about division based rank. I play Starcraft II and they have their league/division based play and it’s wonderful. But they use it for all games - all playlists - which the majority of the user’s play. They also reset theirs. The difference? Starcraft II has these leagues/divisions for all of their playlists. They don’t shove it into an obscure corner of the game you have to dig up and coin it as some thing you just do once a day and then way down the road you see how you stack up. That’s my complaint. It’s ridiculous.

> I checked your stats, you’ve played one game in the Arena, and you got worked…by terrible players.

LOL. The only reason I got worked was because I had to try playing it to validate my opinion on it. I don’t think I even played half of the game. And where are you checking my stats? For my service record for “The Arena” it says:

Games Won/Played: 1/1
Kills: 9
Assists: 1
Deaths: 3

I don’t see how that’s getting “worked” by terrible players. But once again, I had 0 motivation to try. Which is my whole point in this. When I play the Reach playlists. I sit back in my chair casually. My heart beat never races. I couldn’t care any less about how well I do.

> You, and people like you, are why the Arena has a bad reputation. You get butthurt by the first few games you play in a playlist, blame your faults on a “terrible ranking system,” or bad teammates, start threads like this making everyone else believe your crap.

  1. Thanks for pointing out the Arena has a bad reputation. Never once in my thousands of games have I heard anyone on H2 or H3 complain about the ranking system.

  2. I was a peak 40 in H2. Here’s my stats: http://www.bungie.net/Stats/PlayerStats.aspx?player=Stone+Pilla - Mainly stayed around 35 - 37. In H3, which I also repurchased about 2 weeks ago, I’m a 43 in Lone Wolves.

Now, you think I’m butthurt about losing? Sorry, I’m a great player. What I’m butthurt about is butthurt noobs that can’t handle competitive gaming. So instead of having real ranked playlists, they shove “Arena” to an obscure corner and the real, fun games that the majority of the population plays are unranked, social games that have no correlation to actual rank. And because I see that as stupid and non-competitive, I’m butthurt?

No skilled player can come here and say there is something wrong with having a list of ranked playlists, and a list of non-ranked playlists. The only people that do have complaints are noobs who blame their bad skills on “bad teammates” and “cheaters”.

I would be more than happy if the “Arena” was tied to all of the playlists, and your rank was dynamic on the games you played. Not the “3 best games of the day” and “after the season’s over see how you stack up”. No, that’s stupid.

"without being locked into that one time you were playing really really bad is a breath of fresh air. "

Precisely my point. If you play bad, you deserve to rank down. If you go into matchmaking blindly with no pre-chosen teammates and they suck, that’s your fault. If it’s “just not your day” - then you deserve to rank down. I’m sorry, but if you play bad - that is no one’s fault but your own. You shouldn’t be considered a great player if you have those times that you “play really bad”. Sure, we all have bad days, but the great players that have high ranks are the ones who minimize the times they play bad. Arena is just another way to cater to noobs and people who can’t handle a true competitive atmosphere.

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I’d take Arena over 1-50 any day of the week. I’m all for a wider variety of ranked playlists, but I would not like to see it be a 1-50 ranking system, at least not of the same ilk that Halo 2 and 3 had.

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Arena is a failure how can anyone argue otherwise. It is ok to like it but it clearly failed.

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> You’re the person who quoted me in that other Arena thread. You inderectly called me a noob because I believe that the Arena rating system is fine.
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> You also stated that you bought Reach two days ago.
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> Do you really think it’s reasonable to complain about something you have barely even tried?
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> I checked your stats, you’ve played one game in the Arena, and you got worked…by terrible players.
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> You, and people like you, are why the Arena has a bad reputation. You get butthurt by the first few games you play in a playlist, blame your faults on a “terrible ranking system,” or bad teammates, start threads like this making everyone else believe your crap.

Man up here is so badass… and Yeah, 1-50 sucked, had tons of flaws, and you know, I hate derankers, and will ever hate them, in Arena theres no way a person can de-rank, is perfect! except for the jetpack and power weapons with high ammo capacities.

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> > You’re the person who quoted me in that other Arena thread. You inderectly called me a noob because I believe that the Arena rating system is fine.
> >
> > You also stated that you bought Reach two days ago.
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> > Do you really think it’s reasonable to complain about something you have barely even tried?
> >
> > I checked your stats, you’ve played one game in the Arena, and you got worked…by terrible players.
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> >
> > You, and people like you, are why the Arena has a bad reputation. You get butthurt by the first few games you play in a playlist, blame your faults on a “terrible ranking system,” or bad teammates, start threads like this making everyone else believe your crap.
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> Man up here is so badass… and Yeah, 1-50 sucked, had tons of flaws, and you know, I hate derankers, and will ever hate them, in Arena theres no way a person can de-rank, is perfect! except for the jetpack and power weapons with high ammo capacities.

um. no

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> > Arena is a failure how can anyone argue otherwise. It is ok to like it but it clearly failed.
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> Your momma also failed to make you, so? you arent getting a “fix” are you?

Lovely, ad hominem attacks! Enjoy your ban!

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I honestly don’t care which system they use and don’t think it matters too much as long as they get it right from the beginning.

> Arena is a failure how can anyone argue otherwise. It is ok to like it but it clearly failed.

Arena failed because Bungie was too slow to fix it.
AL and AC should never have been in it from the beginning, FFA ratings + team game = fail (hello 1000 betrayals for sniper), Seasons were too short when combined with the # of required ratings (10 times over 30 games meant you had to play Halo at least 1/3rd of the time) & there was far too much redundancy between TS and Arena (same maps, same AA’s, same # of players & no additional incentive to play [ie. global rankings/credit rewards for placement]).

Although it’s fine now, it’s “too little too late” and you’re asking for a tough time to convince people to come back.

343 needs to have the proper execution the first time… and if there are issues, fix it ASAP, not 6 months later.

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> I honestly don’t care which system they use and don’t think it matters too much as long as they get it right from the beginning.
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>
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> > Arena is a failure how can anyone argue otherwise. It is ok to like it but it clearly failed.
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> Arena failed because Bungie was too slow to fix it.
> AL and AC should never have been in it from the beginning, FFA ratings + team game = fail (hello 1000 betrayals for sniper), Seasons were too short when combined with the # of required ratings (10 times over 30 games meant you had to play Halo at least 1/3rd of the time) & there was far too much redundancy between TS and Arena (same maps, same AA’s, same # of players & no additional incentive to play [ie. global rankings/credit rewards for placement]).
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> Although it’s fine now, it’s “too little too late” and you’re asking for a tough time to convince people to come back.
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> 343 needs to have the proper execution the first time… and if there are issues, fix it ASAP, not 6 months later.

Lets face it, this is the main killer. Halo 3 ranked had many flaws gameplay wise (AR starts?). People still played it 10 x as much as Arena because of the incentive and prestige of the rank. There is just to big a list of Arena flaws to salvage it. The name Arena is just tainted and needs to be dumped.

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The common thread amongst people who don’t like the 1-50 ranking system are:

  1. People who over-complain about cheating being the cause of their low rank
    and
  2. People who complain about getting deleveled when they have a “bad day”.

Our response:

  1. We all hate cheating. I’ll admit that I couldn’t get near 40 in H2 because of all of the modders and people stand-bying. It was rampant and I hated it. But would I vote for removing the 1-50? No, that would be pointless. The whole reason cheaters existed was because Halo rank was something of value. Why don’t you have cheaters galore in Arena? No one plays Arena! No one cares! It has no value!

  2. If you play bad you derank. That’s the whole point! If you go into matchmaking alone and your teammates suck or you’re having a bad day - of course you’re going to go down in rank! I mean seriously - what would be the point of a ranking system if you only played good half the time but got rewarded for your better half? It defeats the entire purpose. Someone who plays good all of the time is better than someone who plays just as good, half the time! Stop complaining about lack of consistency in skill. Skill is linear!

It’s not even about 1-50 ranking. It’s about applying competitiveness to all of the playlists so that everyone can compete against each other.

What if someone wants to get their rank in Team Snipers? They know they’re badass at sniping so they play T Snipers all day. Why can’t they get their rank in that? Why can’t they say “I’m a Gold in team snipers”.

Bungie/343 should model after SC2 - the most popular e-sports game of all time. There’s over 500,000 logged in on Battlenet right now. I haven’t been cheated on ONCE! I think that’s what Bungie tried to do. Division/League based ranking system like SC2. Only problem is they didn’t apply it to playlists so it’s rendered pointless. Apply the current ranking system to all of the playlists then it’s more tolerable and I wouldn’t be complaining so much.

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The only thing official about this thread is that it’s officially a repost… one of many about the same thing.

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> The only thing official about this thread is that it’s officially a repost… one of many about the same thing.

That’s a good thing :slight_smile: I hope Bungie/343 see all of these “reposts” :slight_smile:

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Nah, we don’t need to take a step backwards.

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> > The only thing official about this thread is that it’s officially a repost… one of many about the same thing.
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> That’s a good thing :slight_smile: I hope Bungie/343 see all of these “reposts” :slight_smile:

Lots of threads on one topic are a terrible thing and do not help with the problem.

They just fall into the dust of archives and eventually get deleted.

If you want a cause to be noticed, it’s much more effective when everything is put into one “master” thread so those in charge will see it and go, “wow this is big! lots of support here, we should check it out.”

And no, simply putting “official” in the title will not accomplish this. You need a thorough, well-organized opening post with ALL main arguments compiled, with a non-bias tone and BOTH the positives, as well as the negatives. Nobody is going to take you seriously if you try to hide the negatives of your argument, you must present them up-front and provide a counter right away. You also need to remain calm when people present criticism. Do not flame or be angry, but rather, show them where their thinking is incorrect through use of logic and facts rather than personal feelings and bias.

Here is an example thread on the support of the MLG playlist. It has over 500 votes with a 94% approval rate, and of those who actually bothered to post in disagreement, every single one was convinced to change their vote.

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> > The only thing official about this thread is that it’s officially a repost… one of many about the same thing.
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> That’s a good thing :slight_smile: I hope Bungie/343 see all of these “reposts” :slight_smile:

You’re obviously a forum noob that just doesn’t get it, then…

20 threads with 2 pages of posts, usually by the same 5 people will not get anyone’s attention.
1 thread with 20 pages of posts will draw more attention.

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@Max Sterling - Not a forum noob, and I was never disagreeing with you guys. 1 thread with 20 pages + 200 other threads > 1 thread with 20 pages. People need to consistently complain and demand change. A lengthy thread doesn’t suggest everyone is in agreement it just suggests lengthy discussion.

That’s why if everyone who agrees with this cause posted about it and attempted to contact Bungie and whoever, that, to my mind, would get noticed better than only responding to this thread.

@Jay mzzzzz - I was on the fence whether to just make it short and sweet or lengthy. I went with short and simple. If you want to re-write it or something I’d be happy to edit the thread.