-OFFICIAL- Possible Changes In SWAT

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EDIT: Please release I haven’t “created multiple forum accounts” this is my first time on the forums, I just chose to create a new account. And Also note, I am not a 343i employee, or any importance to the community. The Gamertag “SWAT Advisor” Was the first thing that popped into my head. We don’t go on a rampage when we see someone has “King” in their GT now do we? Just be mature, and maybe you’ll appreciate my immense work like a lot of people already have. :slight_smile:

I created this “incognito” account to share a study I have been doing. Compared to other Halo games, SWAT in Halo 4 has changed a lot, not only is there no longer a “SWAT Magnums” option, but now instead of the gameplay being focused on the “everyone has the same weapon” mentally that SWAT used to have, now we have the option of a BR OR a DMR, which changes the game a lot. I’m not saying this addition is a good thing, nor a bad thing.

I have had over 10 different groups of 7 players randomly selected from my recent played with list, to test these maps. Almost all of the comment and feelings where the same, but I took the most notes while play with a lot of the top names in SWAT. (HTR leader boards/big GB SWAT players.)

These are some of their thoughts on Halo 4 SWAT:

-“Yeah I kind of like it”

-“Needs changed a little”

-“Compared to Reach its a flop”

-“a lot of the maps aren’t good for SWAT like Complex and Harvest because people either camp on the roofs (complex) or on top of the rocks (Harvest). maps like that bring Halo down”

-“I really don’t like the mixed weapons, not because of skill, it just feels more like slayer, and SWAT really isn’t about variety”

-“It makes SWAT feel a lot like Call Of Duty, for example you’re running around with one gun, and someone else is DESTROYING you with a diff gun and then you’re just like, well I’ll just use that gun instead, preference goes out the window, its just about what wins”

So I made multiple game types and we played them all on the same map so the map wouldn’t change the way the gametype felt.

I decided the first gametype should just be Halo 4 SWAT just with 2 grenades added to the loadouts so its more like Halo 3 SWAT.
We found that although at first you’d think “This is a terrible idea people will just be spamming nades the whole time” We actually found out they are still perfect for SWAT.

People don’t really use them as a spamming tool like you’d think. They’re perfect for getting campers our of corners or out from behind boxes, and on open maps they’re pretty much useless, you might chuck one all the way across the map and get a hail marry out of luck but most of the time, you’ll be trying to kill people with your gun and NOT with nades (unless they are camping scumbags.)

Out of the 70ish people I let play these gametypes I think there where only one person that didn’t like grenades, but he only thought they were useless, not over powered.

We all came to the conclusion that no matter how SWAT changes(see below to know what I mean) Grenades should DEFIANTLY be included.

Now this part of my post is a bit different its less about gametypes and more about the matchmaking system, just hear us out on this.

You start searching for SWAT matches
-Find Match
-Vote for map
(Example: Haven, Adrift, and Abandon are the options)
-Map is chosen
(Lets say Haven wins)
-Second voting screen
(Example: SWAT BRs on Haven, SWAT DMRs on Haven, SWAT Magnums on haven)

People really liked that idea after we played a few “strict” gametypes, let me share with you the notes I took on what people had to say.

We played BR’s (And Magnums) only:

-“The BR is much more responsive”

-“its much more fun to sweep hallways with the BR then go outside to a more open area and lose the skill advantage over someone who is 100 yards away with a DMR, skill advantage disappears and it turns into weapon advantage, but now that doesn’t happen”

We played SWAT DMRs (And Magnums) only:

-“SWAT feel like there’s a skill gap again!”

-“it feel a lot like Reach but with a new twist, this is the first time I’ve been able to walk around a closed area with a DMR and not feel like there’s a BR about to rape me”

-“In all honesty, you have to admit the DMR is a bit harder to get kills with compared to the BR, the BR feels sooo OP on most maps”

We played Magnums only:

-“feels just like Magnums used to, if you liked it in Reach you’ll like it in H4”

-“it feels like its in between the BR and DMR is skill needed to be good with it being BR easiest Magnum second DMR hardest. Mind that the gap isn’t that large but its noticeable”

Well that’s the conclusion of my research as far gametypes go

But this next part is crucial for 343 to take note on. In Reach, SWAT players felt shafted when it comes to maps. We had Countdown, Zealot, Boardwalk, SwordBase, and Asylum. And while Slayer playlist where monthly getting new community made maps SWAT didn’t get anything, in fact, we lost Uncaged and Pinacale. Oh lets not forget about once in every 2 months you’d get lucky and see a DLC map as an option.

SWAT needs some maps added, we’re not desperate for them NOW, but we would love to see SWAT getting new maps regularly, I played a bunch of SWAT games on a bunch of different MLG/competitive maps and these are the responses. (Gamertag of creator is included below)

Laguna created by unoverrated
It was a really fun map, looks amazing, and it plays a lot better as a SWAT map then a Slayer map honestly. it has wide open areas and closed in areas at the same time.

Cella created by WALDO the lemon
Personal favorite, its open and very fast paced, its got great call outs and it feels like Halo 3 Guardian on Roids.

Station 9 created by Big Papa SaLot
Brings A LOT of call outs into SWAT, its not precipitously open, it brings SAT back to its CQC roots, a group favorite for SWAT.

Some other maps that people felt where great for SWAT but I don’t have the creator names of are Simplex, Lockout/Blackout, and The Pit!

Please leave some feedback below on what you think about my findings, I love Halo 4 SWAT how it is, but I can see it changing a lot in the future for the better.

well i say the BR is great for smaller maps and the DMR is great for large maps, no need to get rid of them. everyone always complains about that, but if they are to get rid of one it better be the DMR!

…yes?

What is your position at 343?

I am not sure you know what the word “official” means.

> What is your position at 343?
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> I am not sure you know what the word “official” means.

he has no “Position” if he did he would have a different rank then recruit js if he had anything to do with 343 he would be a mod or something along those lines

I never claimed to hold a spot at 343 industries. This is a discussion thread, and the point of the tittle “official” is because I actually put a lot of time and hard work into this research.

> well i say the BR is great for smaller maps and the DMR is great for large maps, no need to get rid of them. everyone always complains about that, but if they are to get rid of one it better be the DMR!

This isn’t how SWAT is supposed to be. You’re walking outside of Complex and you’re destroying with the DMR, but you’re kind of limited and you really don’t want to go into a building you know there’s enemies because they’re going to have a BR, you shouldn’t have to change your weapon because you want to go to a certain side of the map.

SWAT isn’t about variety, and 343 obviously implemented this for “preference” but as a BR lover, I find myself forced to use the DMR on certain maps.

I’m not wanting anything removed from SWAT.

> I never claimed to hold a spot at 343 industries. This is a discussion thread, and the point of the tittle “official” is because I actually put a lot of time and hard work into this research.

you dont know what official means do you?

This is a very impressive post, OP! I like the way you gathered your data and you represented it in a very organized manner.

I think your greatest point made was this quote:

> -“its much more fun to sweep hallways with the BR then go outside to a more open area and lose the skill advantage over someone who is 100 yards away with a DMR, skill advantage disappears and it turns into weapon advantage, but now that doesn’t happen”

This really speaks to how the loadout system in Halo 4 reduces the need for skill over the need of having the right weapon. This is both a good and a bad thing as it does promote more dynamic gameplay as well. In SWAT, however, you only have two options and I believe it’s important for players to start at an equal level in a gametype such a gametype.

I’d believe this for most every gametype, but I’m willing to entertain loadouts as a new way for players to have a more dynamic experience.

Anyways, great post OP. You should try emailing this to 343 if they have an email address.

And to the person who posted this:

> SWAT isn’t about variety, and 343 obviously implemented this for “preference” but as a BR lover, I find myself forced to use the DMR on certain maps.
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> I’m not wanting anything removed from SWAT.

I’m really confused about your post. You seem to contradict your own point by saying “SWAT isn’t about variety”, which is exactly what the OP is trying to say.

I made it “official” for many reasons.

It contains a lot of hard work and study I’ve done

Its MY official conclusion on everything I’ve found important when it comes to changing SWAT

Its an official SWAT discussion thread where people can post complaints or ideas for SWAT.

It says official POSSIBLE changes. I’m not saying this WILL happen.

You’ve already stated the thread might be mis-titled for your liking’s, Big deal, if you want to discuss SWAT then stay here, if not, please leave.

swat with grenades??? Dumbest thing anyone has said! Swat does need more variety, so not only there should be a swat br, swat dmr, and swat magnum, but There should be a variety Swat where all long Range weapons And Scoped sidearms are Included in a Different loadout.for Example, a br And a dmr Loadout would both include the Magnum, then there Should Be a forerunner loadout. Lightrifle with a Boltshot. People Might Use the boltshot Burst, but you can still score headshots with it. Finally, a covenant loadout. That should have A carbine, but the Plasma pistol cant score a Headshot so a boltshot should Work with it. Thats how swat Should Work in My Opinion

The only thing I want for SWAT is auto-aim turned off. ^^

I like your observations and the fact you went out of your way to come up with these outcomes. What bugs me is why 343 the people that are are payed to do so, didn’t try this out or bother to ask.

It appears that the community is doing the work 343 should have in the first place. Otherwise you have some good ideas and would hope that somebody over at 343 has a read of this.

Thanks a lot Master Tallness, I appreciate that you appreciate my post, I’ve worked really hard on it and my passion for SWAT drove me to doing all of this. :slight_smile:

> I like your observations and the fact you went out of your way to come up with these outcomes. What bugs me is why 343 the people that are are payed to do so, didn’t try this out or bother to ask.
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> It appears that the community is doing the work 343 should have in the first place. Otherwise you have some good ideas and would hope that somebody over at 343 has a read of this.

It does seem 343 seems a bit careless with these sort of things, and it does bug me too sometimes that as a player I feel… Like my voice, or any ones for that matter) isn’t being heard. But honestly 343i is probably a lot more busy then we can imagine and have a lot of projects working. I really don’t mind doing these sort of things, I had a lot of find seeing what people did and didn’t like. :slight_smile:

> What is your position at 343?
>
> I am not sure you know what the word “official” means.

He also doesn’t quite understand the “don’t create multiple forum accounts” and the “don’t try to impersonate anyone official” forum rules…

> > What is your position at 343?
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> > I am not sure you know what the word “official” means.
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> He also doesn’t quite understand the “don’t create multiple forum accounts” and the “don’t try to impersonate anyone official” forum rules…

I actually don’t have a “regular” forum account, I never get on the forums on my normal account, this is my first time here.

And I’m not impersonating anyone?

DUDE!!! post this in the playlist perferences thread maybe they will see this plus if you get enough people on the threaf reposting it 343 will defenetly see it at the least.

> > > What is your position at 343?
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> > > I am not sure you know what the word “official” means.
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> > He also doesn’t quite understand the “don’t create multiple forum accounts” and the “don’t try to impersonate anyone official” forum rules…
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> I actually don’t have a “regular” forum account, I never get on the forums on my normal account, this is my first time here.
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> And I’m not impersonating anyone?

You went and created another account and named it “SWAT Advisor” just to grab attention and look important - violates both rules.

> > > > What is your position at 343?
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> > > > I am not sure you know what the word “official” means.
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> > > He also doesn’t quite understand the “don’t create multiple forum accounts” and the “don’t try to impersonate anyone official” forum rules…
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> > I actually don’t have a “regular” forum account, I never get on the forums on my normal account, this is my first time here.
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> > And I’m not impersonating anyone?
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> You went and created another account and named it “SWAT Advisor” just to grab attention and look important - violates both rules.

I didn’t create “another” account. I created this ONE account, which I am getting a subscription on and playing on when my main account gets sr-130. “Advisor” isn’t even spelled right. And I’m not trying to get attention? People are really enjoying my post and appreciating it. I promise they didn’t see my GT and jump to it just because of it. These kinds of threads are the type of threads these forums need. So please stop posting none constructive posts on this constructive thread.