There isn’t too much here to discuss, however, while watching the Halo 2 Anniversary terminal, I noticed something that caught my attention:
It appears we now know Lockes first name as well as his rank. The only thing that threw me off from this terminal was it opened with: “Submit Security credentials - Spartan 117. Identity confirmed; Access granted.”
Is john looking at a file on the arbiter created by Locke, is Locke posing as John to see this file?
Seeing as he compiled the report in the first place, I highly doubt Locke would need another person’s credentials to see that file. I think MC is using his own prestige to access classified material, and since the Arbiter and him are apparently “friends” even though they only knew each other for a month or so, he may be at least slightly irate to see that his buddy is an Alpha-class target.
ONI has been very naughty in the canon recently, so we may have an already mentally unstable MC finding out about the UNSC’s less ethical proceedings…
I think we have at least part of his reason for going rogue…
> Seeing as he compiled the report in the first place, I highly doubt Locke would need another person’s credentials to see that file. I think MC is using his own prestige to access classified material, and since the Arbiter and him are apparently “friends” even though they only knew each other for a month or so, he may be at least slightly irate to see that his buddy is an Alpha-class target.
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> ONI has been very naughty in the canon recently, so we may have an already mentally unstable MC finding out about the UNSC’s less ethical proceedings…
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> I think we have at least part of his reason for going rogue…
Oh UNSC is unethical because writes a report saying that the arbiter is a criminal?
I’d like to remember you, before the terminals do it, sorry for the spoilers, that your friend vadam_ee_ was the supreme commander during the fall of Reach, most tragic event of the covenant war, and killed billions of humans, including the spartans that died with chief during that battle.
> > Seeing as he compiled the report in the first place, I highly doubt Locke would need another person’s credentials to see that file. I think MC is using his own prestige to access classified material, and since the Arbiter and him are apparently “friends” even though they only knew each other for a month or so, he may be at least slightly irate to see that his buddy is an Alpha-class target.
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> > ONI has been very naughty in the canon recently, so we may have an already mentally unstable MC finding out about the UNSC’s less ethical proceedings…
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> > I think we have at least part of his reason for going rogue…
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> Oh UNSC is unethical because writes a report saying that the arbiter is a criminal?
> I’d like to remember you, before the terminals do it, sorry for the spoilers, that your friend vadam_ee_ was the supreme commander during the fall of Reach, most tragic event of the covenant war, and killed billions of humans, including the spartans that died with chief during that battle.
I’m guessing you haven’t read the Kilo-5 novels then?
~ Duck.
> > > Seeing as he compiled the report in the first place, I highly doubt Locke would need another person’s credentials to see that file. I think MC is using his own prestige to access classified material, and since the Arbiter and him are apparently “friends” even though they only knew each other for a month or so, he may be at least slightly irate to see that his buddy is an Alpha-class target.
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> > > ONI has been very naughty in the canon recently, so we may have an already mentally unstable MC finding out about the UNSC’s less ethical proceedings…
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> > > I think we have at least part of his reason for going rogue…
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> > Oh UNSC is unethical because writes a report saying that the arbiter is a criminal?
> > I’d like to remember you, before the terminals do it, sorry for the spoilers, that your friend vadam_ee_ was the supreme commander during the fall of Reach, most tragic event of the covenant war, and killed billions of humans, including the spartans that died with chief during that battle.
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> I’m guessing you haven’t read the Kilo-5 novels then?
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> ~ Duck.
Quite well, many times. And never noticed they said in kilo-v that arbiter never killed a human and wasn’t supreme commander.
We don’t know if he discovered kilo-v and how he reacted, and some people say he made an alliance with prophets, but we don’t know if it’s true and if it is because of kilo-v. From what we heard in the terminal he did something wrong more than what he did during the covenant war, which is already enough for him to be considered a target, at least by ONI.
I know about Thel’s position in the destruction of Reach, yes. I haven’t read the Kilo-5 novels, but from what I’ve heard, ONI has been rather Machiavellian with regards to Sangheilios. Plus there’s the fact that the UNSC was never an angel to begin with, what with the SPARTAN-II program.
I was just saying that the boundaries between the good guys and bad guys are getting increasingly blurred, what with Halsey with the Storm, Chief in the desert, the betrayal in Escalations, etc etc.
> I was just saying that the boundaries between the good guys and bad guys are getting increasingly blurred, what with Halsey with the Storm, Chief in the desert, the betrayal in Escalations, etc etc.
this is what makes the books/comics interesting imo. you have so many species and factions with a different sense of whats wrong and right. it’d be nice to see this carry over into the games a bit more since in them usually if your part of the same species your on the same side.
ONI likely still considers the Sanghelei a potential threat, thus they likely are already at work prioritizing targets so that they can act swiftly if needed.
> Seeing as he compiled the report in the first place, I highly doubt Locke would need another person’s credentials to see that file. I think MC is using his own prestige to access classified material, and since the Arbiter and him are apparently “friends” even though they only knew each other for a month or so, he may be at least slightly irate to see that his buddy is an Alpha-class target.
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> ONI has been very naughty in the canon recently, so we may have an already mentally unstable MC finding out about the UNSC’s less ethical proceedings…
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> I think we have at least part of his reason for going rogue…
Chronologically, the trailer is a complete mess. Thel still has his -ee suffix and is ranked as Supreme Fleet Commander, which would mean the report was compiled before the events of Halo 2. Yet Thel is narrating, plus by this stage he’s apparently best buddies with Chief, which would place the report at some point after the Great Schism.
The only workaround I can see is to assume we’re looking at some heavy artistic licensing. We know Locke produced a report on the Arbiter at some unknown time, and talked with him in the postwar period. That’s about it.
> I know about Thel’s position in the destruction of Reach, yes. I haven’t read the Kilo-5 novels, but from what I’ve heard, ONI has been rather Machiavellian with regards to Sangheilios. Plus there’s the fact that the UNSC was never an angel to begin with, what with the SPARTAN-II program.
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> I was just saying that the boundaries between the good guys and bad guys are getting increasingly blurred, what with Halsey with the Storm, Chief in the desert, the betrayal in Escalations, etc etc.
I’d say Halsey is the one unwaveringly good character in the entire universe.
The Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI) are the ‘black ops science division’ of the United Earth Government (UEG)… and so their role is to foresee every possible outcome… even the worst possible ones… like a galactic-wide Flood Invasion.
Also the reason that the Arbiter, Kaidon Thel’Vadam, is an Alpha-priority target is due to his status and influence he holds… not just over the Sangheili but also the forces he could marshal.
The Elites are a destructive force when united and quite cunning… and so ONI have potentially got the highest priority leaders under surveillance… Didact’s Hand, Supreme Commander Jul ‘Mdama… The Bishop, Avu Med’ Telcam… Arbiter, Kaidon Thel 'Vadam… heck even Eldar Chieftain Lydus… each Alpha target would hold the potential to unite the Covenant forces, and re-create the devastating Empire.
In short, ONI will not assassinate one as the other surviving members will gain more influence and power… and so they attempt to leave them splintered and weak… killing themselves without creating the vast threat that was the Covenant Empire.
However Jul 'Mdama having secured the ‘temporary’ alliance of the Ur-Didact and his Promethean army… he stands as the greatest threat to the United Nations Space Command (UNSC).
> > Seeing as he compiled the report in the first place, I highly doubt Locke would need another person’s credentials to see that file. I think MC is using his own prestige to access classified material, and since the Arbiter and him are apparently “friends” even though they only knew each other for a month or so, he may be at least slightly irate to see that his buddy is an Alpha-class target.
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> > ONI has been very naughty in the canon recently, so we may have an already mentally unstable MC finding out about the UNSC’s less ethical proceedings…
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> > I think we have at least part of his reason for going rogue…
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> <mark>Chronologically, the trailer is a complete mess.</mark> Thel still has his -ee suffix and is ranked as Supreme Fleet Commander, which would mean the report was compiled before the events of Halo 2. Yet Thel is narrating, plus by this stage he’s apparently best buddies with Chief, which would place the report at some point after the Great Schism.
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> The only workaround I can see is to assume we’re looking at some heavy artistic licensing. We know Locke produced a report on the Arbiter at some unknown time, and talked with him in the postwar period. That’s about it.
agree 100%.
my post on other thread:
> if it contains information on chief-vadam friendship then the “ee” shouldn’t be there. And when does chief access these terminals? If it’s during the halo 2 campaign then he doesn’t change his mind on the arbiter as he predicted in the trailer, because they are still friends in halo 3.
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> Quote:
> Sometime after 2553 Locke compiled a target profile report concerning Thel 'Vadam, detailing 'Vadam’s personal history from the start of the Human-Covenant War to the glassing of Reach and beyond. This report was later accessed by the Master Chief. -Halopedia
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> If the terminals are locke’s report this makes no sense because chief sees them during halo 2 campaign so in year 2552.
Or, quite simply, this is just one file of many on the Arbiter that have been collated & this first one is naturally about his time as Supreme Commander. Hence his “ee” suffix in the report title.
~ Duck.
> > > Seeing as he compiled the report in the first place, I highly doubt Locke would need another person’s credentials to see that file. I think MC is using his own prestige to access classified material, and since the Arbiter and him are apparently “friends” even though they only knew each other for a month or so, he may be at least slightly irate to see that his buddy is an Alpha-class target.
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> > > ONI has been very naughty in the canon recently, so we may have an already mentally unstable MC finding out about the UNSC’s less ethical proceedings…
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> > > I think we have at least part of his reason for going rogue…
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> > <mark>Chronologically, the trailer is a complete mess.</mark> Thel still has his -ee suffix and is ranked as Supreme Fleet Commander, which would mean the report was compiled before the events of Halo 2. Yet Thel is narrating, plus by this stage he’s apparently best buddies with Chief, which would place the report at some point after the Great Schism.
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> > The only workaround I can see is to assume we’re looking at some heavy artistic licensing. We know Locke produced a report on the Arbiter at some unknown time, and talked with him in the postwar period. That’s about it.
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> agree 100%.
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> my post on other thread:
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> > if it contains information on chief-vadam friendship then the “ee” shouldn’t be there. And when does chief access these terminals? If it’s during the halo 2 campaign then he doesn’t change his mind on the arbiter as he predicted in the trailer, because they are still friends in halo 3.
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> > Quote:
> > Sometime after 2553 Locke compiled a target profile report concerning Thel 'Vadam, detailing 'Vadam’s personal history from the start of the Human-Covenant War to the glassing of Reach and beyond. This report was later accessed by the Master Chief. -Halopedia
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> > If the terminals are locke’s report this makes no sense because chief sees them during halo 2 campaign so in year 2552.
Just putting this out there, but couldnt the narration be seperate from the actual terminal in game?
Arbiters voice over = maybe part of the epilogue/prologue cutscenes they have added
Terminal video = the actual video you will find in game, with a different narration detailing Thel’s time as supreme commander.
Possibility?
> > > > Seeing as he compiled the report in the first place, I highly doubt Locke would need another person’s credentials to see that file. I think MC is using his own prestige to access classified material, and since the Arbiter and him are apparently “friends” even though they only knew each other for a month or so, he may be at least slightly irate to see that his buddy is an Alpha-class target.
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> > > > ONI has been very naughty in the canon recently, so we may have an already mentally unstable MC finding out about the UNSC’s less ethical proceedings…
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> > > > I think we have at least part of his reason for going rogue…
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> > > <mark>Chronologically, the trailer is a complete mess.</mark> Thel still has his -ee suffix and is ranked as Supreme Fleet Commander, which would mean the report was compiled before the events of Halo 2. Yet Thel is narrating, plus by this stage he’s apparently best buddies with Chief, which would place the report at some point after the Great Schism.
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> > > The only workaround I can see is to assume we’re looking at some heavy artistic licensing. We know Locke produced a report on the Arbiter at some unknown time, and talked with him in the postwar period. That’s about it.
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> > agree 100%.
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> > my post on other thread:
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> > > if it contains information on chief-vadam friendship then the “ee” shouldn’t be there. And when does chief access these terminals? If it’s during the halo 2 campaign then he doesn’t change his mind on the arbiter as he predicted in the trailer, because they are still friends in halo 3.
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> > > Quote:
> > > Sometime after 2553 Locke compiled a target profile report concerning Thel 'Vadam, detailing 'Vadam’s personal history from the start of the Human-Covenant War to the glassing of Reach and beyond. This report was later accessed by the Master Chief. -Halopedia
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> > > If the terminals are locke’s report this makes no sense because chief sees them during halo 2 campaign so in year 2552.
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> Just putting this out there, but couldnt the narration be seperate from the actual terminal in game?
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> Arbiters voice over = maybe part of the epilogue/prologue cutscenes they have added
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> Terminal video = the actual video you will find in game, with a different narration detailing Thel’s time as supreme commander.
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> Possibility?
“Your master Chief calls me ‘friend’.”
“How well do you know your friend human? And what will you call me when you learn the truth of what I have done?”
This might just be dialogue between the Chief and Arbiter in Halo 5. Why would Locke consider the Arbiter a friend when the Arbiter says in the MCC trailer that he doesn’t even trust him. Plus he clearly says the MC calls him ‘friend’.
