Why does 343 insist on shoving all the good, streamlined slayer variants in playlists with all the garbage objective game types? I don’t want Husky Raid or Shotty Snipers- I just want some Super Fiesta action, and now I have to slog through the other game types to get to the stuff I enjoy? Come on, they finally had a reliably enjoyable playlist with Super Fiesta. Were the other game types having such a hard time filling lobbies that they felt they had to cram them together to get players? When I sit down to play a game, I want to know what experience I’m getting into, and the sweaty mess that is Objective Halo is not fun for me.
I don’t like objectives in Halo, but it seems that every time I find a playlist with plain old Slayer/ Fiesta/ just-shoot-the-bad-guy fun, 343 mucks it up with weak maps and objective game types that don’t hold up elsewhere.
The solution to this is simple, and I want to make it clear how simple it is: keep objectives and Slayer separate. For example:
Nine playlists. Every game type in Halo neatly sorted. A reliable experience in every queue. If you absolutely need to cram playlists together, this is how to do it- not by cramming different game types together, but by sorting the kind of experience each game type is.
Just an opinion, but I won’t be playing the new Fiesta mashup, just as I’ve been avoiding BTB for a few years now. Thank goodness BTB Super Fiesta is still pretty cut-and-dry, or else I’d be just about out of interest in playing at all. Gripe gripe gripe.
I strongly prefer objectives to slayer, and usually find slayer to be far sweatier. But at least we can both agree that objective gametypes should have their own playlist.
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> I strongly prefer objectives to slayer, and usually find slayer to be far sweatier. But at least we can both agree that objective gametypes should have their own playlist.
Absolutely. For me, I guess it’s just how objectives force map use that makes it feel sweatier, but I’m glad we agree that mixing the two is a suboptimal experience.
If the game had a match composer like mcc, lots of problems here would be completely sorted, although you missed some game types, like ffa, breakout, doubles, stuff like that. I would have an objective playlist, but not for stuff like btb since btb’s usually set up as a single playlist with a combination of slayer and obj, definitely for 4v4 though. I get what you mean with having to deal with husky raid lobbies while wanting to play fiesta, I ain’t exactly a fiesta guy myself anymore, but I can see the struggle. Only way to play “normal” 4v4 objectives now is team arena, which has got the comp settings turned on lmao, core play being the actual alternative that pops up every few months. It’s definitely messy without a doubt. This is why I’m a bit scared for this game during this year with the consolidation of playlists, this wasn’t the worst change in the world for me, but I can see why people dislike this.
Objective only playlists have a history of not doing well with population which is why they’re usually removed or put into a rotational slot. They’re also consolidating the playlists due to population issues which is why you’re getting those other gametypes in one playlist.
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> If the game had a match composer like mcc, lots of problems here would be completely sorted, although you missed some game types, like ffa, breakout, doubles, stuff like that. I would have an objective playlist, but not for stuff like btb since btb’s usually set up as a single playlist with a combination of slayer and obj, definitely for 4v4 though. I get what you mean with having to deal with husky raid lobbies while wanting to play fiesta, I ain’t exactly a fiesta guy myself anymore, but I can see the struggle. Only way to play “normal” 4v4 objectives now is team arena, which has got the comp settings turned on lmao, core play being the actual alternative that pops up every few months. It’s definitely messy without a doubt. This is why I’m a bit scared for this game during this year with the consolidation of playlists, this wasn’t the worst change in the world for me, but I can see why people dislike this.
The match composer would be a great implement, but I think the theory is we currently can search whatever custom games we want to and play whatever we want that way.
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> If the game had a match composer like mcc, lots of problems here would be completely sorted, although you missed some game types, like ffa, breakout, doubles, stuff like that. I would have an objective playlist, but not for stuff like btb since btb’s usually set up as a single playlist with a combination of slayer and obj, definitely for 4v4 though. I get what you mean with having to deal with husky raid lobbies while wanting to play fiesta, I ain’t exactly a fiesta guy myself anymore, but I can see the struggle. Only way to play “normal” 4v4 objectives now is team arena, which has got the comp settings turned on lmao, core play being the actual alternative that pops up every few months. It’s definitely messy without a doubt. This is why I’m a bit scared for this game during this year with the consolidation of playlists, this wasn’t the worst change in the world for me, but I can see why people dislike this.
That would be great. I guess I did miss out on FFA (although I didn’t even realize it, Breakout, or Doubles were anything other than rotational now anyway). BTB Objectives is something I’ve always wanted to see separated out, but that’s just a personal preference.
Honestly, I just want to enjoy shooting Spartans with ridiculous super-weapons from space. Everything else from objective game types just gets in the way of the fun for me.
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> > 2535435456818773;4:
> > If the game had a match composer like mcc, lots of problems here would be completely sorted, although you missed some game types, like ffa, breakout, doubles, stuff like that. I would have an objective playlist, but not for stuff like btb since btb’s usually set up as a single playlist with a combination of slayer and obj, definitely for 4v4 though. I get what you mean with having to deal with husky raid lobbies while wanting to play fiesta, I ain’t exactly a fiesta guy myself anymore, but I can see the struggle. Only way to play “normal” 4v4 objectives now is team arena, which has got the comp settings turned on lmao, core play being the actual alternative that pops up every few months. It’s definitely messy without a doubt. This is why I’m a bit scared for this game during this year with the consolidation of playlists, this wasn’t the worst change in the world for me, but I can see why people dislike this.
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> The match composer would be a great implement, but I think the theory is we currently can search whatever custom games we want to and play whatever we want that way.
That’s true, but customs shouldn’t have to replace the game as constructed. My customs might get a few people playing them, but a lot of the times people are just playing around in forge, doing assassinations, and running around in nightclub builds pistol-whipping each other.
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> Objective only playlists have a history of not doing well with population which is why they’re usually removed or put into a rotational slot. They’re also consolidating the playlists due to population issues which is why you’re getting those other gametypes in one playlist.
Yeah, that’s what I figured. I think if they adopted something close to what I suggest here, they might not have that problem as much.
If the population was better they could definitely do that, but as it stands Halo 5’s just too old to spread its base out that thinly. Infinite would likely be able to when it rolls around, and it should too. Slayer, Objective-Only, Slayer/Objective Mix, etc etc.
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> If the population was better they could definitely do that, but as it stands Halo 5’s just too old to spread its base out that thinly. Infinite would likely be able to when it rolls around, and it should too. Slayer, Objective-Only, Slayer/Objective Mix, etc etc.
Agreed. I hope they do, too- the current consolidation just doesn’t appeal to me. If a playlist doesn’t appeal, then it should rotate out, not get forced into another playlist.
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> I strongly prefer objectives to slayer, and usually find slayer to be far sweatier. But at least we can both agree that objective gametypes should have their own playlist.
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> Just do what 75% of husky raid players do and slay only.
Ha! True, true. That is what I usually do, to be fair- and I still wind up carrying the flag somehow.
I do like Husky Raid. Not as much as in Halo 4, but the Super Fiesta gun and map variety 5 brings to the table is pretty good.
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> To each his own. Some people like stuff you might think are garbage.
Exactly, and streamlining the playlist forces people into game types they don’t want to play, resulting in 4v1 matches before you know it then the last person either quits, or is just a kill magnet for the other team.