Won a game of BTB last night on territories. At the end of the match I heard the sniper of the losing team complaining to his team about how he went 36k 5d and they still lost. Then said his team sucks. I told him that is exactly what happens when you sit back at your base and only focus on K/D and not focus on the objectives. HE is exactly why they lost. If you are obsessed with your KD do not play objective based games.
I agree, or have no K/D affected from objective games, it’s always been an issue, I don’t get why K/D is in flag etc. It will also stop certain players boosting kills in objective, no K/D = no reason to be in there.
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> I agree, or have no K/D affected from objective games, it’s always been an issue, I don’t get why K/D is in flag etc.
Actually back in H2 and H3 no one EVER obsessed with KD at all. I seriously never ever heard anyone talk about their KD until after COD started being released. So are kids being beat up in school now if they have a low kd or something? I just don’t get this obsession with kd especially if you are in objective based games.
To be totally fair, there’s shades of grey involved here; if you’re not alive, you’re not helping your team. Suicide runs on objective don’t succeed against any competent team. Pushes require the right combination of map control, spawn manipulation, team shooting, and an objective carrier who knows the best paths and maneuvers to succeed. It’s easy to brush aside a negative k/d as the fault of running the objective, but the fact is that you not only accomplished nothing if you didn’t complete the objective, but you in fact hindered your team and would have been better off letting someone else grab it while you cover him.
Having said that, this guy seems like one of those -Yoink–clowns who sat back and farmed unimportant and unhelpful kills rather than contributing to the aid of the objective runner. Those people suck.
Edit: As Lambossity posted, this was not in fact the case. OP is booty bothered because someone who performed demonstrably better than him called him bad.
With 36 kills he basically defended a whole base by himself. Many people dont understand that outslaying people is extremly important to win objective. I looked at the game and he has also a lot of captures and defenses. Way more than you actually.
BTW nice to see that you finally got your ranked BTB. I remember you asking for it all the time. Hope you enjoy it.
i will admit i never cared about k/d until i started playing Destiny last year
from halo CE - 4 including reach and ODST i played for fun
but the CoD community in Destiny (brought over from activision and PS4) got to me and made me feel like garbage if i didnt have a certain K/D
its hard to go back to not caring but as long as you think about winning regardless of your k/d and have fun it shouldnt matter
not everyone can be super good positive all the time.
in reality if someone gives a digital ratio in a game that much validity in their life i feel bad for them because they dont have much else to be proud of
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> With 36 kills he basically defended a whole base by himself. Many people dont understand that outslaying people is extremly important to win objective. I looked at the game and he has also a lot of captures and defenses. Way more than you actually.
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> BTW nice to see that you finally got your ranked BTB. I remember you asking for it all the time. Hope you enjoy it.
rekt. I didn’t even think to check the game.
Easy fix for this is separating objective and slayer into their own list, and in objective do not add k/d
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> With 36 kills he basically defended a whole base by himself. Many people dont understand that outslaying people is extremly important to win objective. I looked at the game and he has also a lot of captures and defenses. Way more than you actually.
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> BTW nice to see that you finally got your ranked BTB. I remember you asking for it all the time. Hope you enjoy it.
This - the guy with 36 kills also led his team with 4 strongholds secured, tied for lead in strongholds defended with 3, captured 5. I’d say he was hands down the best overall performer in game between the kills, the captures, defenses and lack of deaths. As others have said before- being dead helps no one. Sometimes just being alive and making the other team aware of you - is enough for a teammate to sneak by or flank.
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> i will admit i never cared about k/d until i started playing Destiny last year
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> from halo CE - 4 including reach and ODST i played for fun
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> but the CoD community in Destiny (brought over from activision and PS4) got to me and made me feel like garbage if i didnt have a certain K/D
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> its hard to go back to not caring but as long as you think about winning regardless of your k/d and have fun it shouldnt matter
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> not everyone can be super good positive all the time.
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> in reality if someone gives a digital ratio in a game that much validity in their life i feel bad for them because they dont have much else to be proud of
Most Destiny PvP players are obsessed with k/d. Of course, it’s easy to have a good k/d if you play the Meta game. I could delete my Titan and start a new one and maintain a k/d of 1.7+ pretty easily. But that’s not the way I play. I like to lone wolf, run around and use whatever weapon I want. I also refuse to use the ridiculous Hammer of Sol. So, my k/d stays at 1.1 lol.
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> With 36 kills he basically defended a whole base by himself. Many people dont understand that outslaying people is extremly important to win objective. I looked at the game and he has also a lot of captures and defenses. Way more than you actually.
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> BTW nice to see that you finally got your ranked BTB. I remember you asking for it all the time. Hope you enjoy it.
Oh yeah in no way was I saying I was better than him. Yes he did defend that base with the sniper. He was a beast and was very good. Way better than I will ever be. But for him to bash his team, just a complete -Yoink- IMO. It was just his verbal way of bragging that he sat and camped the same spot on top of that base the entire game and only that objective. But why bash your team that was clearly pushing and trying to get all the objectives. If he would have come off that base to at least help capture another base they would have won. Oh well to each his own. I do wish it showed the assists for capturing objectives because I was in the objectives much of the game. Just wouldn’t be credited for the final second cap. Or if I knew it was about to be capped, I would run to the next objective. I even skip the first objective sometimes just to run to the middle and help push that one.
To answer your question. Yes I played 10 games in a row to get my rank (had 1 game freeze after an overkill with the needler and I said “Xbox record that” then it froze). Overall had an absolute blast. So glad ranked BTB is in H5 and has JIP. Truly enjoyed it. Also those checking my BTB stats might notice I won every “objective” BTB I played last night. So you don’t need a good KD to win objective based games. 
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> To be totally fair, there’s shades of grey involved here; if you’re not alive, you’re not helping your team. Suicide runs on objective don’t succeed against any competent team. Pushes require the right combination of map control, spawn manipulation, team shooting, and an objective carrier who knows the best paths and maneuvers to succeed. It’s easy to brush aside a negative k/d as the fault of running the objective, but the fact is that you not only accomplished nothing if you didn’t complete the objective, but you in fact hindered your team and would have been better off letting someone else grab it while you cover him.
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> Having said that, this guy seems like one of those -Yoink–clowns who sat back and farmed unimportant and unhelpful kills rather than contributing to the aid of the objective runner. Those people suck.
I think that’s the point he’s trying to make. I only played a few games last night, but it felt like half my team was always more concerned about sitting back and farming the people that ran up then trying to push forward and control important positions that would help us make a successful push into a base for and flag grab that would have good covering fire from the areas we took over. Which was probably likely because they new they were more likely to be killed taking those areas and holding them than BRing the people running into our base. I don’t mind a solid 2 men on base D, which is why i agree in part on your shades of gray comment, but 4-5 farmers is -Yoinking!- annoying and counter productive.
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> > With 36 kills he basically defended a whole base by himself. Many people dont understand that outslaying people is extremly important to win objective. I looked at the game and he has also a lot of captures and defenses. Way more than you actually.
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> > BTW nice to see that you finally got your ranked BTB. I remember you asking for it all the time. Hope you enjoy it.
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> Oh yeah in no way was I saying I was better than him. Yes he did defend that base with the sniper. He was a beast and was very good. But for him to bash his team, just a complete -Yoink- IMO. It was just his verbal way of bragging that he sat and camped the same spot on top of that base the entire game and only that objective. But why bash your team that was clearly pushing and trying to get all the objectives. If he would have come off that base to at least help capture another base they would have won. Oh well to each his own. I do wish it showed the assists for capturing objectives because I was in the objectives much of the game. Just wouldn’t be credited for the final second cap. Or if I knew it was about to be capped, I would run to the next objective. I even skip the first objective sometimes just to run to the middle and help push that one.
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> To answer your question. Yes I played 10 games in a row to get my rank (had 1 game freeze after an overkill with the needler and I said “Xbox record that” then it froze). Overall had an absolute blast. So glad ranked BTB is in H5 and has JIP. Truly enjoyed it. Also those checking my BTB stats might notice I won every “objective” BTB I played last night. So you don’t need a good KD to win objective based games.
It’s frustrating to lose due to incompetence on the part of others, in both video games and life in general. Combine that with the indignant feeling of “the ranking system ACTUALLY BELIEVES I had any business being paired with these people”, and I have more sympathy for him than I do for you.
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> > To be totally fair, there’s shades of grey involved here; if you’re not alive, you’re not helping your team. Suicide runs on objective don’t succeed against any competent team. Pushes require the right combination of map control, spawn manipulation, team shooting, and an objective carrier who knows the best paths and maneuvers to succeed. It’s easy to brush aside a negative k/d as the fault of running the objective, but the fact is that you not only accomplished nothing if you didn’t complete the objective, but you in fact hindered your team and would have been better off letting someone else grab it while you cover him.
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> > Having said that, this guy seems like one of those -Yoink–clowns who sat back and farmed unimportant and unhelpful kills rather than contributing to the aid of the objective runner. Those people suck.
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> I think that’s the point he’s trying to make. I only played a few games last night, but it felt like half my team was always more concerned about sitting back and farming the people that ran up then trying to push forward and control important positions that would help us make a successful push into a base for and flag grab that would have good covering fire from the areas we took over. Which was probably likely because they new they were more likely to be killed taking those areas and holding them than BRing the people running into our base. I don’t mind a solid 2 men on base D, which is why i agree in part on your shades of gray comment, but 4-5 farmers is -Yoinking!- annoying and counter productive.
Yes exactly the point I was making. As I said above, he was very good with the sniper and since it was so easy for him to defend that 1 base with his skills, he could have very easily pushed to another base and would have, without a doubt in my mind, won the game. He was clearly more focused on KD then complained because he lost.
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> > I agree, or have no K/D affected from objective games, it’s always been an issue, I don’t get why K/D is in flag etc.
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> Actually back in H2 and H3 no one EVER obsessed with KD at all. I seriously never ever heard anyone talk about their KD until after COD started being released. So are kids being beat up in school now if they have a low kd or something? I just don’t get this obsession with kd especially if you are in objective based games.
I don’t know, honestly, the only time kills and deaths are relevant is in slayer based games, I never bother about dying in flag, king etc, but as you wrote, some are, I don’t get it either.
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> Won a game of BTB last night on territories. At the end of the match I heard the sniper of the losing team complaining to his team about how he went 36k 5d and they still lost. Then said his team sucks. I told him that is exactly what happens when you sit back at your base and only focus on K/D and not focus on the objectives. HE is exactly why they lost. If you are obsessed with your KD do not play objective based games.
I’ve thrown my body to the grave probably thousands of times to win an objective. You sacrifice everything as a team player.
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> > With 36 kills he basically defended a whole base by himself. Many people dont understand that outslaying people is extremly important to win objective. I looked at the game and he has also a lot of captures and defenses. Way more than you actually.
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> > BTW nice to see that you finally got your ranked BTB. I remember you asking for it all the time. Hope you enjoy it.
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> Oh yeah in no way was I saying I was better than him. Yes he did defend that base with the sniper. He was a beast and was very good. But for him to bash his team, just a complete -Yoink- IMO. It was just his verbal way of bragging that he sat and camped the same spot on top of that base the entire game and only that objective. But why bash your team that was clearly pushing and trying to get all the objectives. If he would have come off that base to at least help capture another base they would have won. Oh well to each his own. I do wish it showed the assists for capturing objectives because I was in the objectives much of the game. Just wouldn’t be credited for the final second cap. Or if I knew it was about to be capped, I would run to the next objective. I even skip the first objective sometimes just to run to the middle and help push that one.
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> To answer your question. Yes I played 10 games in a row to get my rank (had 1 game freeze after an overkill with the needler and I said “Xbox record that” then it froze). Overall had an absolute blast. So glad ranked BTB is in H5 and has JIP. Truly enjoyed it. Also those checking my BTB stats might notice I won every “objective” BTB I played last night. So you don’t need a good KD to win objective based games.
You don’t need to out slay a team to win an objective game. That’s a very black/white way of looking at it. It’s an objective game. Does it give you an edge…yes… but this isn’t breakout. People re-spawn. I’ve played plenty of objective games that my own team was beat out kills wise but we won. You just need to get the kills that matter, i.e. for capture the flag you need to kill their flag carrier and defend your own. Any additional kills aren’t really needed.
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> > > To be totally fair, there’s shades of grey involved here; if you’re not alive, you’re not helping your team. Suicide runs on objective don’t succeed against any competent team. Pushes require the right combination of map control, spawn manipulation, team shooting, and an objective carrier who knows the best paths and maneuvers to succeed. It’s easy to brush aside a negative k/d as the fault of running the objective, but the fact is that you not only accomplished nothing if you didn’t complete the objective, but you in fact hindered your team and would have been better off letting someone else grab it while you cover him.
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> > > Having said that, this guy seems like one of those -Yoink–clowns who sat back and farmed unimportant and unhelpful kills rather than contributing to the aid of the objective runner. Those people suck.
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> > I think that’s the point he’s trying to make. I only played a few games last night, but it felt like half my team was always more concerned about sitting back and farming the people that ran up then trying to push forward and control important positions that would help us make a successful push into a base for and flag grab that would have good covering fire from the areas we took over. Which was probably likely because they new they were more likely to be killed taking those areas and holding them than BRing the people running into our base. I don’t mind a solid 2 men on base D, which is why i agree in part on your shades of gray comment, but 4-5 farmers is -Yoinking!- annoying and counter productive.
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> Yes exactly the point I was making. As I said above, he was very good with the sniper and since it was so easy for him to defend that 1 base with his skills, he could have very easily pushed to another base and would have, without a doubt in my mind, won the game. He was clearly more focused on KD then complained because he lost.
Yeah i understand you there. I just get frustrated when there’s too many people like that in my match. Or not enough people like that on defense. I never have a good balanced team in terms of those willing to play D and those on Offense. I honestly float between both depending on who goes where