Nothing wrong with speedrunning in campaign levels

Games Other Halo
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Speed running has been a part of Halo since the beginning and I wanted to know your opinion about it.

When we are given daily and weekly challenges that revolve around campaign missions like: complete a campaign level on certain difficulty, complete level with skull on certain difficulty, complete 10 campaign levels this week on certain difficulty, etc it is 100% fair to use any speed running tactic to complete that challenge. A tactic like running away from the battle where you need to defend the group on Nightfall or the phasing through the gate towards the end of Nightfall are legitimate speed running tricks. Same as the grenade/concussion rifle jump towards the end of Pillar of Autumn to get on to the MAC cannon early to. Both are legit speed running tricks. If they didn’t want people to use speed running tactics Bungie would have banned them back when they were found out.

Doing something like the exploit where you save during a cut scene and quit the level and then go back in to get a free campaign complete and then continue to reload that save is a cheating way to earn challenges.

What is your opinion on using speed running tricks in game to complete challenges and achievements? If you are against it give a legit reason and no using the excuse of “The only reason they haven’t been patched is because the game is 6+ years old” These tricks were all found back in 2010 and 2011, if Bungie wanted to they would have patched them a long time ago.

I see nothing wrong with it since they don’t harm other players and are not breaking any TOS.

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I absolutely agree. Nothing wrong with speedrunning at all. For any Reach challenges that required you to beat a level of your choice on “x difficulty” or “with x skulls” or “without dying” I’d always choose Winter Contingency and speedrun that bad boy, which would take me like 15 minutes.

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> I absolutely agree. Nothing wrong with speedrunning at all. For any Reach challenges that required you to beat a level of your choice on “x difficulty” or “with x skulls” or “without dying” I’d always choose Winter Contingency and speedrun that bad boy, which would take me like 15 minutes.

I always go for Nightfall and run past every battle since they don’t stop you from not fighting every battle and then do the phasing through the gate during the part with the Covenant tower on the map Powerhouse. Takes usually 5 minutes. Apparently there are people who actually have a problem with people doing speed running tactics. lol

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Nothing wrong with speedrunning levels for challenges, as long as you don’t use glitches or exploits to do so…like glitching through the gate. Using an exploit or glitch to obtain cR, achievements, or other game gains in personal favor (Doesn’t matter if it gets a player more status, or a status faster) violates LIVE Code of Conduct, as it in essence is a form of boosting, hence cheating.

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> Nothing wrong with speedrunning, as long as you don’t use glitches or exploits to do so…like glitching through the gate. Using an exploit or glitch to obtain cR, achievements, or other game gains in personal favor (Doesn’t matter if it gets a player more status, or a status faster) violates LIVE Code of Conduct, as it in essence is a form of boosting, hence cheating.

there is nothing technically wrong with phasing through the gate, you don’t technically leave the playable space, you just get to it earlier. If it was really against COC to use all the speed running skips then channels like Naked Halo, RC Master, Mythic Tyrant and all the other speed runner channels would have been forced to remove their content. But since Bungie, 343, and Microsoft actually are okay with those speed running tricks that have been promoted then there is nothing wrong with them. They’ve even named achievements in MCC after speed runners who have used on conventional ways through levels.

Now if you were to leave the playable space like trying to get in the pelican on exodus then yes, that is a glitch but at the same time that doesnt hurt anyone cause that doesn’t even help you get through the level or earn anything

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Using the glitch to phase through the gate makes it so enemies don’t spawn in and you can run though the level. This is a glitch or exploit and using glitches/exploits like this to rapidly complete challenges for rewards is against LIVE Code of Conduct since it’s a form of boosting/cheating.

Also…two points on your claim. “Bungie hasn’t removed the glitch.” Bungie doesn’t own it anymore, 343 does and since it’s an old -Yoink- game and I am pretty sure 343 doesn’t care about a game like Halo Reach anymore. And second, Bungie actually use to reset player account in Reach for doing things like this. It is just that as time when on and they moved on to other projects, they stopped caring as much and pretty much stopped enforcing in since they were no longer working with/on the game anymore and were no longer with Halo. The fact that Bungie had actually reset players for doing this proves that it’s wrong. It is still technically a form of boosting cR/Ranking and is against LIVE CoC regardless if Bungie/343 still uphold the terms of banning/resetting players for it or not.

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> Using the glitch to phase through the gate makes it so enemies don’t spawn in and you can run though the level. This is a glitch or exploit and using glitches/exploits like this to rapidly complete challenges for rewards is against LIVE Code of Conduct since it’s a form of boosting/cheating.
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> Also…two points on your claim. “Bungie hasn’t removed the glitch.” Bungie doesn’t own it anymore, 343 does and since it’s an old -Yoink- game and I am pretty sure 343 doesn’t care about a game like Halo Reach anymore. And second, Bungie actually use to reset player account in Reach for doing things like this. It is just that as time when on and they moved on to other projects, they stopped caring as much and pretty much stopped enforcing in since they were no longer working with/on the game anymore and were no longer with Halo. The fact that Bungie had actually reset players for doing this proves that it’s wrong. It is still technically a form of boosting cR/Ranking and is against LIVE CoC regardless if Bungie/343 still uphold the terms of banning/resetting players for it or not.

If Xbox, 343, and Bungie (at the time) are ok with it then it’s fine.

The “glitch” was found in the end of 2010/early 2011, which if I am correct then Bungie could have patched it easily anytime they want. Your argument about the game being an old game is invalid since 90% of speed running tricks that could involve a level skip were found within the first few months of a game. Also they never reset people for using that trick. They reset people for using the target locator spam on ONI Sword Base, that I know along with the people who were afking through games along with the Grifball boosters but I have not seen a single person saying they got reset for using the phasing in the gate on Nightfall.

You do know the point of speed running is to complete levels as fast as possible by anyway right, that includes using any in game trick to make it faster.

If 343 were to update it and patch it out, it wouldn’t really affect me anymore then since I’m an Inheritor now. lol

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> > Using the glitch to phase through the gate makes it so enemies don’t spawn in and you can run though the level. This is a glitch or exploit and using glitches/exploits like this to rapidly complete challenges for rewards is against LIVE Code of Conduct since it’s a form of boosting/cheating.
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> > Also…two points on your claim. “Bungie hasn’t removed the glitch.” Bungie doesn’t own it anymore, 343 does and since it’s an old -Yoink- game and I am pretty sure 343 doesn’t care about a game like Halo Reach anymore. And second, Bungie actually use to reset player account in Reach for doing things like this. It is just that as time when on and they moved on to other projects, they stopped caring as much and pretty much stopped enforcing in since they were no longer working with/on the game anymore and were no longer with Halo. The fact that Bungie had actually reset players for doing this proves that it’s wrong. It is still technically a form of boosting cR/Ranking and is against LIVE CoC regardless if Bungie/343 still uphold the terms of banning/resetting players for it or not.
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> If Xbox, 343, and Bungie (at the time) are ok with it then it’s fine.
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> The “glitch” was found in the end of 2010/early 2011, which if I am correct then Bungie could have patched it easily anytime they want. Your argument about the game being an old game is invalid since 90% of speed running tricks that could involve a level skip were found within the first few months of a game. Also they never reset people for using that trick. They reset people for using the target locator spam on ONI Sword Base, that I know along with the people who were afking through games along with the Grifball boosters but I have not seen a single person saying they got reset for using the phasing in the gate on Nightfall.
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> You do know the point of speed running is to complete levels as fast as possible by anyway right, that includes using any in game trick to make it faster.
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> If 343 were to update it and patch it out, it wouldn’t really affect me anymore then since I’m an Inheritor now. lol

Ooh, Inheritor…want a cookie? No one cares what rank you are, especially if you used glitches/exploits to do so. As I have said in a previous post before it was locked…you can sit here and think you are a 100% legit gamer with your exploits and what not…while that fact remains, it is still a form of boosting and there for is against LIVE CoC.

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> > > Using the glitch to phase through the gate makes it so enemies don’t spawn in and you can run though the level. This is a glitch or exploit and using glitches/exploits like this to rapidly complete challenges for rewards is against LIVE Code of Conduct since it’s a form of boosting/cheating.
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> > > Also…two points on your claim. “Bungie hasn’t removed the glitch.” Bungie doesn’t own it anymore, 343 does and since it’s an old -Yoink- game and I am pretty sure 343 doesn’t care about a game like Halo Reach anymore. And second, Bungie actually use to reset player account in Reach for doing things like this. It is just that as time when on and they moved on to other projects, they stopped caring as much and pretty much stopped enforcing in since they were no longer working with/on the game anymore and were no longer with Halo. The fact that Bungie had actually reset players for doing this proves that it’s wrong. It is still technically a form of boosting cR/Ranking and is against LIVE CoC regardless if Bungie/343 still uphold the terms of banning/resetting players for it or not.
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> > If Xbox, 343, and Bungie (at the time) are ok with it then it’s fine.
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> > The “glitch” was found in the end of 2010/early 2011, which if I am correct then Bungie could have patched it easily anytime they want. Your argument about the game being an old game is invalid since 90% of speed running tricks that could involve a level skip were found within the first few months of a game. Also they never reset people for using that trick. They reset people for using the target locator spam on ONI Sword Base, that I know along with the people who were afking through games along with the Grifball boosters but I have not seen a single person saying they got reset for using the phasing in the gate on Nightfall.
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> > You do know the point of speed running is to complete levels as fast as possible by anyway right, that includes using any in game trick to make it faster.
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> > If 343 were to update it and patch it out, it wouldn’t really affect me anymore then since I’m an Inheritor now. lol
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> Ooh, Inheritor…want a cookie? No one cares what rank you are, especially if you used glitches/exploits to do so. As I have said in a previous post before it was locked…you can sit here and think you are a 100% legit gamer with your exploits and what not…while that fact remains, it is still a form of boosting and there for is against LIVE CoC.

I played the game legit and earned my rank legit, I completed challenges, played many matches, completed many commendations. Who cares if I used the forklift phasing to complete Nightfall faster, it doesn’t affect you in anyway. Why do you even think that forklift was on that part of the level to begin with, when the only way to phase through the gate is by using a vehicle? answer that for me please. Bungie had to of purposely put that in there so maybe therefore it isn’t an exploit after all. Meaning therefore it’s a legit strategy to use. I’m done arguing with something that thinks there is only one way to play a game. That’s the nice thing about video games, there is more than one way to complete levels. If I want to use something purposely left in the game then I’m allowed to use it. Any speed runner will tell you that using that skip is completely fine if you want to complete the level fast. end of discussion.

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It was a closed game and therefore Bungie couldn’t patch it out. Sure yea, they put the vehicle in there for the scenery since you were in an industry level so a forklift made for good scenery/props. The glitch of phasing through the get wasn’t intentional…but unlike an open world game like Destiny where it can be patched/updated on the fly, Reach was not one of those games and there for Bungie couldn’t just “patch it out”. As I have said, it is still deemed as a glitch/exploit and using such as a means to complete challenges faster and earn cR/Rank more quickly is still deemed as boosting and therefore is still against Live CoC. And I love how you think you know how I think. I don’t think there is only one way to complete a game level. I don’t see any issue with speedrunning a level. But there is an issue with using glitches/exploits to do so. And everyone I have talked with, which are quite a few…and a lot of them are die hard dedicated fans of the series all agree with me. There is nothing legit about using these methods, regardless if it was left in the game or not. You are still exploiting a game mechanic for your gains. You can sit in your little hole thinking you are holier-than-though with your glitches and exploits…but since you have already claimed to have using them, then a lot of people aren’t going to buy into the the whole “I earned my Rank legit.”

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Also, what kind of a BS thread are you posting? You say you want to hear people’s thoughts and opinions on the matter yet they can’t use the terms of “it’s an old game” as grounds for their opinion. I mean your words exactly are:

“What is your opinion on using speed running tricks in game to complete challenges and achievements? If you are against it give a legit reason and no using the excuse of “The only reason they haven’t been patched is because the game is 6+ years old” These tricks were all found back in 2010 and 2011, if Bungie wanted to they would have patched them a long time ago.”

You whole original post is basically saying “Here are my thoughts on the matter, I want to hear what you think on the matter…as long as it’s something I agree with.”

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> Also, what kind of a BS thread are you posting? You say you want to hear people’s thoughts and opinions on the matter yet they can’t use the terms of “it’s an old game” as grounds for their opinion. I mean your words exactly are:
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> “What is your opinion on using speed running tricks in game to complete challenges and achievements? If you are against it give a legit reason and no using the excuse of “The only reason they haven’t been patched is because the game is 6+ years old” These tricks were all found back in 2010 and 2011, if Bungie wanted to they would have patched them a long time ago.”
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> You whole original post is basically saying “Here are my thoughts on the matter, I want to hear what you think on the matter…as long as it’s something I agree with.”

what ever dude, you have anything better to do

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> > Also, what kind of a BS thread are you posting? You say you want to hear people’s thoughts and opinions on the matter yet they can’t use the terms of “it’s an old game” as grounds for their opinion. I mean your words exactly are:
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> > “What is your opinion on using speed running tricks in game to complete challenges and achievements? If you are against it give a legit reason and no using the excuse of “The only reason they haven’t been patched is because the game is 6+ years old” These tricks were all found back in 2010 and 2011, if Bungie wanted to they would have patched them a long time ago.”
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> > You whole original post is basically saying “Here are my thoughts on the matter, I want to hear what you think on the matter…as long as it’s something I agree with.”
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> what ever dude, you have anything better to do

Actually yes, I do. Make honest forum posts and play a game legitly. Thank you for reminding me. Have a nice day.

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> Also, what kind of a BS thread are you posting? You say you want to hear people’s thoughts and opinions on the matter yet they can’t use the terms of “it’s an old game” as grounds for their opinion. I mean your words exactly are:
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> “What is your opinion on using speed running tricks in game to complete challenges and achievements? If you are against it give a legit reason and no using the excuse of “The only reason they haven’t been patched is because the game is 6+ years old” These tricks were all found back in 2010 and 2011, if Bungie wanted to they would have patched them a long time ago.”
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> You whole original post is basically saying “Here are my thoughts on the matter, I want to hear what you think on the matter…as long as it’s something I agree with.”

also did you possible think that maybe I don’t like you because you’re basically calling me a cheater because I play a different way than you. I am in no way a cheater or booster.

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> > Also, what kind of a BS thread are you posting? You say you want to hear people’s thoughts and opinions on the matter yet they can’t use the terms of “it’s an old game” as grounds for their opinion. I mean your words exactly are:
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> > “What is your opinion on using speed running tricks in game to complete challenges and achievements? If you are against it give a legit reason and no using the excuse of “The only reason they haven’t been patched is because the game is 6+ years old” These tricks were all found back in 2010 and 2011, if Bungie wanted to they would have patched them a long time ago.”
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> > You whole original post is basically saying “Here are my thoughts on the matter, I want to hear what you think on the matter…as long as it’s something I agree with.”
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> also did you possible think that maybe I don’t like you because you’re basically calling me a cheater because I play a different way than you. I am in no way a cheater or booster.

Uuh…LIVE CoC basically state that using “glitches/exploits” to obtain cR, achievements, or other game gains in personal favor (Doesn’t matter if it gets a player more status, or a status faster)is a violation because is it essentially a form of boosting/cheating.

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> Also, what kind of a BS thread are you posting? You say you want to hear people’s thoughts and opinions on the matter yet they can’t use the terms of “it’s an old game” as grounds for their opinion. I mean your words exactly are:
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> “What is your opinion on using speed running tricks in game to complete challenges and achievements? If you are against it give a legit reason and no using the excuse of “The only reason they haven’t been patched is because the game is 6+ years old” These tricks were all found back in 2010 and 2011, if Bungie wanted to they would have patched them a long time ago.”
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> You whole original post is basically saying “Here are my thoughts on the matter, I want to hear what you think on the matter…as long as it’s something I agree with.”

lastly the reason I said, “If you are against it give a legit reason and no using the excuse of “The only reason they haven’t been patched is because the game is 6+ years old”” is because I hear the same stupid excuses about why things aren’t patched and the same excuse every time is “Oh the game is x years old, the creators have no time to go back and patch it even though the trick was found the first months of launch” boohoo.

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> > > Also, what kind of a BS thread are you posting? You say you want to hear people’s thoughts and opinions on the matter yet they can’t use the terms of “it’s an old game” as grounds for their opinion. I mean your words exactly are:
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> > > “What is your opinion on using speed running tricks in game to complete challenges and achievements? If you are against it give a legit reason and no using the excuse of “The only reason they haven’t been patched is because the game is 6+ years old” These tricks were all found back in 2010 and 2011, if Bungie wanted to they would have patched them a long time ago.”
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> > > You whole original post is basically saying “Here are my thoughts on the matter, I want to hear what you think on the matter…as long as it’s something I agree with.”
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> > also did you possible think that maybe I don’t like you because you’re basically calling me a cheater because I play a different way than you. I am in no way a cheater or booster.
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> Uuh…LIVE CoC basically state that using “glitches/exploits” to obtain cR, achievements, or other game gains in personal favor (Doesn’t matter if it gets a player more status, or a status faster)is a violation because is it essentially a form of boosting/cheating.

well that’s how that level is speedran by every speedrunner. haven’t seen a single one of them get banned now have I?

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You basically started this whole thing because I called you out for telling someone else to use these exploits for easy challenge wins in another thread anyway.

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Now, with that being said, I am taking myself up on my “originally final post” before you kept going on with your nonsense and go make some honest forum posts and play games legitly.

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> > > > Also, what kind of a BS thread are you posting? You say you want to hear people’s thoughts and opinions on the matter yet they can’t use the terms of “it’s an old game” as grounds for their opinion. I mean your words exactly are:
> > > > “What is your opinion on using speed running tricks in game to complete challenges and achievements? If you are against it give a legit reason and no using the excuse of “The only reason they haven’t been patched is because the game is 6+ years old” These tricks were all found back in 2010 and 2011, if Bungie wanted to they would have patched them a long time ago.”
> > > > You whole original post is basically saying “Here are my thoughts on the matter, I want to hear what you think on the matter…as long as it’s something I agree with.”
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> > > also did you possible think that maybe I don’t like you because you’re basically calling me a cheater because I play a different way than you. I am in no way a cheater or booster.
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> > Uuh…LIVE CoC basically state that using “glitches/exploits” to obtain cR, achievements, or other game gains in personal favor (Doesn’t matter if it gets a player more status, or a status faster)is a violation because is it essentially a form of boosting/cheating.
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> well that’s how that level is speedran by every speedrunner. haven’t seen a single one of them get banned now have I?

I think I understand where you are coming from to an extent.

When these glitches and exploits are used for the sake and only the sake of speedrunning, not for ingame personal gains of any kind not limited to but including cR, achievements, EXP/XP, commedations, armor, skins, and/or any other type of ingame unlockable content, then what is being done does not affect Code of Conduct and the legitimacy of the speedrun is to be determined by the community.

The reason why speedrunners are not banned for speedrunning is because they are not aiming for any ingame personal gains, such as those mentioned above. Their speedrunning through glitching/exploiting is not unlocking anything or giving their account anything as an end result of their speedrunning. It’s nothing more than a race and nothing more comes from it other than a time and potential bragging rights.

Now, when such glitches and exploits are used to intentonally have the end result being any form of ingame personal gains, these given ingame gains are unlocked in methods that were not intended by the developer. When that happens, it is considered boosting, and hence cheating(Doesn’t matter if the end result of exploiting/glitching gives more of an ingame status than normal, or unlocks an ingame status faster than intended). Due to that, doing so does indeed violate LIVE Code of Conduct.

I am reminded of the MCC achievements that were patched, that there were ways to intentionally glitch to skip alot of some Halo Levels to dramatically cheat progress (For example, with a glitch, a one hour level takes only five minutes) toward the achievements of beating a Halo game in a total of a certain time or less. People who used said glitches to make progress towards said achievements, as well as to quickly unlock the achievement for completing the level were indeed cheating. 343i eventually patched alot of those.

Now incase this is brought up, you might bring up the now non-existant Custom Challenges for Reach that used to be on Halo Waypoint. This was created by 343i with the intention of creating custom challenges to earn additional cR. This was an official and intentional way to earn additional cR by 343i as long as it is done properly. Also, 343i was smart with it and gave no bonus cR for enemies killed with a target locator to prevent people from exploiting the target locator glitch.

So there is indeed a difference between speedrunning and boosting and I hope I explained it in detail here. To no clip/phase through a wall with a glitch and/or exploit (Not intended by the developer) to prevent hoardes of enemies from spawning for the sole purpose to complete a challenge faster (ingame gains) is a form of boosting, hence cheating. To do so however to have no ingame gains come from it to simply complete the level faster is speedrunning. That is the difference.