So I don’t get to play co-op with friends when this game launches? Wow that sounds like a pretty big deal breaker.
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> > > While I agree, the 6 years argument it actually kind of false, as it took them 3 of that 6 years just to finish the Slipspace engine. They did not really start making the game until at least 2018.
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> Slipspace Engine - Halopedia, the Halo wiki
None of this proves that they only started developing the game in 2018.
In fact, I even looked at the Halo Infinite article, and this claim is also never supported in there either.
And even if they did, that would be laughably stupid to wait for the graphics engine to be finished to start working on stuff that is completely independent of the graphics.
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> What a dumb response. “I don’t know how to make a car, so I can’t be angry if its missing air bags”.
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> They simply need to delay again. We can’t have a Halo 5 launch again.
The dumb responses are those upset over this miniscual stuff. It’s hilarious.
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> > > > While I agree, the 6 years argument it actually kind of false, as it took them 3 of that 6 years just to finish the Slipspace engine. They did not really start making the game until at least 2018.
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> None of this proves that they only started developing the game in 2018.
> In fact, I even looked at the Halo Infinite article, and this claim is also never supported in there either.
> And even if they did, that would be laughably stupid to wait for the graphics engine to be finished to start working on stuff that is completely independent of the graphics.
Yes a prototype of Halo Infinite probably was being built during the time the Engine was being built, but that prototype was more or less still being built in Halo 5. Infact there is a pic that was released a while ago, which many of use believe to be the earliest look at Halo Infinite with it still being in the Halo 5 engine. It even showcased what is now the GrappleShot.https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/ewes6c/a_gameplay_snippet_in_we_are_343_industries/
You can’t really start building the assets that will eventually make up the look, and design of your game, until your engine is finished. Meaning whatever work they had done in that time, would have to be completely redone once the engine is finished as they would have to then build all the new assets, environments, character models, etc. as well as adding the new animations. Most of the prototype would have been nothing more than testing features and giving the artist a visual on what they wanted Infinite to eventually look like. So yes, if it had taken them since 2018 to finish the Slipspace Engine, then they really would not have been able to do any significant work on Infinite until they had those systems up and running. You can’t build a game on an unfinished engine. Also even in that time you also still have to factor in covid, time restraints and other pressures such as people quitting during that time causing shifts in the company.
I have so little faith in 343 at this point, the news of coop and forge being delayed didn’t phase me one bit.
But if the full game is delayed again, it’s gonna kill all the hype.
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> You can’t really start building the assets that will eventually make up the look, and design of your game, until your engine is finished.
Of course you can. Guns, levels, AI, etc. is all independent of the graphics. Even the 3D models can be mostly finished, the main issue is more the textures that get affected by the graphics engine.
But even if you had to redesign all 3D-assets afterwards, it’s not gonna delay you as much as waiting three entire years for a graphics engine would.
Again, if 343 really had waited for three years before starting development on the game - which they never actually claimed themselves - that would have been an incredibly stupid move on their part and they’d only have themselves to blame for any time shortage and the resulting crunch.
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> Also even in that time you also still have to factor in covid, time restraints and other pressures such as people quitting during that time causing shifts in the company.
Covid is nothing but a convenient excuse as other studios - including Microsoft-owned ones - curiously weren’t effected by. And key people only started leaving the company at a point when the game was already supposed to be nigh-finished.
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> > What a dumb response. “I don’t know how to make a car, so I can’t be angry if its missing air bags”.
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> > They simply need to delay again. We can’t have a Halo 5 launch again.
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> The dumb responses are those upset over this miniscual stuff. It’s hilarious.
Sorry we care about this franchise. We know many don’t have standards anymore so we understand the confusion.
for me honestly, I dont mind this delay, as I dont touch co-op and I rarely touch forge made some maps, but I feel for the people that are upset about this, but I dont think they should delay this game completely because of co-op or forge and I dont think this game will flop because of that. honestly id prefer that they did have them both at launch but they want to make sure both co-op and forge work completely. I dont think the devs made this choice lightly, it was either deal with an angry community for no co-op or no forge for 3 months(co-op) and 6 months (forge) or deal with an angry community for delaying an already delayed game another 6 months, or said nothing let Co-op and forge launch with the game and be a broken buggy mess and deal with the community on that, they were in a lose-lose-lose situation. I get people are not at all happy but at least they told us what is going on and why and when we should expect to see it.
I honestly don’t know what to say.
I concur. By releasing early they are risking having lower sell numbers. After the halo 5 fiasco I don’t think thats a risk worth taking. Ill be waiting the 3 months to make sure I get my campaign coop before purchasing.
I think all of you tend to forget the depth and creativity, and detail we had in Halo 5’s forge. And how it’s still a huge map editor to date.
With Halo Infinite, and the creativity Tom French and his team has let’s be real, Halo Infinites forge could probably even be ruled out as it’s own game.
With the addition of bots in MP I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in forge. I’m positive there’s going to be so many new things that will blow our minds away.
I’m going to continue to be patient, confident and buy Halo Infinite the second it comes out and enjoy it for what it is.
I wouldn’t be surprised if we got a Spartan Ops or Firefight reveal in the future some time soon.
This is such a dissapointment, we didn’t have forge at launch of halo 5 and now infinite won’t have it. Now I’m really worried for launch about MP content
If you’re familiar with game design, or any kind of software design or team project, you’ll know that one can keep working on a project forever. This is why 343i has been working on Infinite for 6 years when the standard cycle of a Halo game was 3 years beforehand. Microsoft and 343i knew they can’t screw this up, so they kept pushing back the release date, probably scrapping certain elements, refining others, and adding new stuff. It wouldn’t be a stretch to guess that this game has been in a near-finished state for a few years now.
What’s my point? I don’t buy the newest story. I genuinely do not believe that 343i has not had the time to complete Campaign co-op and Forge for the Infinite release date. I have a sinking suspicion that this delayed-release has always been the plan. Keep in mind that Infinite is a live service game, and live service games are known for being released incomplete, with important features being delayed as part of a marketing strategy to draw players back into the game. I’m not claiming that Forge and Campaign co-op are complete and 343i are choosing to hold them off deliberately, I’m claiming that they were never planned to drop on the release date.
The proof isn’t concrete but it’s actually rather obvious. In this announcement, 343i has literally confirmed that Campaign co-op is planned for Season 2 and Forge is planned for Season 3 (with each season taking approximately 3 months). These are their words, not mine. They chose to associate the release of these basic, crucial features with their new live service marketing strategy as opposed to saying these features will drop as soon as they’re ready.
And I have to ask… With Infinite Multiplayer being free, do 343i honestly think people will rush to pay 60$ for a Campaign only - and one that’s missing the absolutely crucial co-op feature, at that? 343i has yet to justify the 60$ price tag of the Campaign. Even if it really is the longest Halo game ever (which is something they also said about Halo 5, and well, you know how that turned out), that’s still not quite enough for me at least. The number one source of replayability in Campaign is co-op. Forge is important to multiplayer for obvious reasons, but that’ll be part of the Free to Play live service element anyway. Further reducing an already unconvincing 60$ package is not going to work well for 343i. I for one will not be paying for it at launch.
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> This is such a dissapointment, we didn’t have forge at launch of halo 5 and now infinite won’t have it. Now I’m really worried for launch about MP content
What’s worse, 343i says they’re planning to release it in Season 3 which would suggest Forge will drop at least 6 months after the release date. Halo 5’s population dwindled before its amazing Forge mode had the chance to revitalize it, and that was just two months after release. This is a huge missed opportunity at best, and a disaster at worst. Time will tell.
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> > This is such a dissapointment, we didn’t have forge at launch of halo 5 and now infinite won’t have it. Now I’m really worried for launch about MP content
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> What’s worse, 343i says they’re planning to release it in Season 3 which would suggest Forge will drop at least 6 months after the release date. Halo 5’s population dwindled before its amazing Forge mode had the chance to revitalize it, and that was just two months after release. This is a huge missed opportunity at best, and a disaster at worst. Time will tell.
Yeah, my only hope right now is that I hope MP has a lot of game modes and maps at launch. Halo 5 didn’t have much of it so I hope infinite does.
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> > What’s worse, 343i says they’re planning to release it in Season 3 which would suggest Forge will drop at least 6 months after the release date. Halo 5’s population dwindled before its amazing Forge mode had the chance to revitalize it, and that was just two months after release. This is a huge missed opportunity at best, and a disaster at worst. Time will tell.
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> Yeah, my only hope right now is that I hope MP has a lot of game modes and maps at launch. Halo 5 didn’t have much of it so I hope infinite does.
I’ll be honest… What little hope was regained for 343i is now gone for me personally. They had enough time to at least get Campaign co-op in at launch. I’m not paying 60 bucks for just the Campaign when it doesn’t even have co-op. And multiplayer? Sure I’ll try it, it’s free after all. But I’m not optimistic about the content available at launch. This will be like Halo 5 most likely.
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> This is absolutely ridiculous. You’ve had 6 years to develop this game but you can’t have campaign co-op or forge at launch? What the hell is happening with this studio? This can’t be another Halo 5 situation 343, it just can’t be.
Nope, game shouldn’t be delayed again for an optional feature.
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> The dumb responses are those upset over this miniscual stuff. It’s hilarious.
What’s hilarious is how you feel the need to vigorously defend 343i even when they’re clearly making a mistake. And by the way, for some people campaign co-op is the most important feature in Halo and not “minuscule stuff”. The same goes for Forge. Some people have different opinions than yours, and those are equally valid.
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> I’ll buy the game when it’s got coop. Halo 2…3 years after halo CE launched. Halo 3…3 years after halo 2 launched. Halo Reach…3 years after halo 3 launched (and ODST the year before.) Infinite….6 years after halo 5….no coop at launch lol
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> I genuinely feel bad for 343, as they obviously did not want this to happen, and the blowback has to suck. But yeah, idk….6 years.
You’ll be there with the rest of us on Day 1. Don’t talk rubbish.
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> What’s hilarious is how you feel the need to vigorously defend 343i even when they’re clearly making a mistake. And by the way, for some people campaign co-op is the most important feature in Halo and not “minuscule stuff”. The same goes for Forge. Some people have different opinions than yours, and those are equally valid.
A mistake would be releasing the features broken.