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> > So, I hope people look into this a bit more when it comes to a reasoning for it not being delayed and why MS and 343 are essencially a rock in a hard place.
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> > MS wants GOTY for 2021. Its the beginning of the new generation and Sony realistically only has 2 contenders or, 2 obvious contenders (returnal and Ratchet). MS is going to want as many games as they can on that list and currently, those look to be psychonauts 2 (which is cross platform), forza (which is a racing game so is almost always omitted) and Halo.
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> > They have to weight the risk rewards of keeping Halo in 2021 and or delaying it. Realistically, the risks to Halo if its not delayed are not that major as long as the multipler and the single player itself are good experiances. Missing co-op and forge are 100% a big deal, but we also exist in a reality where sea of thieves and no man sky are extremely successful. If the core experiances are good, MS is willing to bank on player openess to delayed features if it means they get more potential to win GOTY in 2021. Doing so sets them on the pace they need and their marketing plans for GP in 2022. There is more to gain if MS gets GOTY. Realistically, even without co-op and forge, as long as the multiplayer has plenty of modes (social and ranked) and the campaign is considered good or great, they have that chance.
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> So this is Microsoft’s fault? What else is new
No, the fact the features are not done in time is 343’s. MS delayed it an entire year and took that failure on the chin. They wont do that again when they have more to potentially gain.
Blame 343, but understand why the game wont be delayed again. As much as people dont want to admit it, if the core multiplayer is good and core campaign is good, this wont be that big of a deal for most people.
Im disappointed but on the bright side, I now have another reason to play through the campaign at a later date with my friends now.
While I personally don’t use forge and won’t be in urgent need of co-op for a while when it comes out, I still agree that it’s weird, the product should have the core features at launch.
How did they even consider releasing it 2020 at first? Kinda curious what we would have gotten if they never delayed it in the first place.
However, if the solo campaign knocks it out of the park I’ll be satisfied enough.
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> > > After what happened with H5…I completely agree that Infinite should be delayed. Basicially “A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad.”"
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> > Duke Nukem, Aliens: Colonial Marines, and CyberPunk 2077 are 3 titles I can think of that were delayed for massive periods of time. Delays don’t solve anything, competence does.
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> exactly and many don’t realise with these types of online service games such as Fortnite, Call of Duty warzone, warframe, Destiny 2 & Apex Legends they all got their second wind and came back more popular then ever.
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> there’s no doubt in my mind when Halo Infinite gets its forge and coop campaign it will be better than ever and more popular for it.
It makes sense to not have every feature in the game when you want it to last 10 years. Halo 5 lasted as long as it did because everything added post launch
Yep. Delay delay delay. Do it. Better to launch a complete game.
Well, its definitely unfortunate. But I believe that its best for them to release the game as it is now with its core experiences multiplayer and campaign. Forge and campaign co-op should be there day one, I wholeheartedly agree, because they’re also core aspects of Halo.
However, we really don’t understand what goes on during these development cycles and the issues they possess working on the game. Sure they did have 6 years to work on infinite (building slipspace engine from the ground up for a majority of the dev time) but what they’re working on is a whole new beastly thing and needs time for polish.
We also had the pandemic, which really did not help much, and the game is being released on 8 year old hardware.
I’m puzzled as to why campaign co-op at the very least couldn’t be done, (the answer would probably simply be bugs, for all I know) but with forge I can COMPLETELY understand.
Now based on what I’ve seen with the l e a k s and all, forge is going to truly be a very insane experience if all the details about it were true. Its quite literally going to be a creative experience cranked up 200 based on my and the communities speculations about it. It makes sense why it wouldn’t be there at launch.
Would you rather have these two hankered aspects of Halo ridden with bugs, and virtually unplayable at launch? Because I surely don’t. It would be a PR nightmare for them, first of all. And it would quite literally feed into the narrative of “343 CAN’T DO ANYTHING RIGHT >:(” So I suggest that it was probably the right call for them to do this, and inform us several months before launch.
Its a free live service game that’ll be routinely updated with more things, and seeing that literally 50 percent of this game is going to be free, the news stings a little less.
They’ve been very upfront and honest about their development issues and content inquiries and I appreciate 343 for that. The tech previews are enough to really show that they really want to get this game right.
You and everyone else on this thread has the right to be frustrated and angry about this, and your concerns are very valid. But as for me I truly believe that they’re trying their best to roll things out as smoothly as they can.
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> > > > > > > > > Y’all are some pathetic spoiled brats.
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> > > > > > > > > I look forward to playing forge but I’m not throwing a tantrum over not getting it day 1. The game, like they said, will never be truly finished. They are choosing to launch it when its core stuff is done. You’ll get your precious co-op and whatever later. No more delaying the game.
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> > > > > > > > Bro stop being such a shill. Many people aren’t gonna wait months after launch to play the things they’ve wanted since day 1. This game isn’t gonna be as successful as they hoped if they don’t launch with these things, this happened with Halo 5 too.
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> > > > > > > I bet you screamed and cried in public places as a kid
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> > > > > > That… is a really immature response. Anyway, some of us want to experience the campaign for the first time with someone else. Now we have to wait three months after release while dodging spoilers about the story. That is why some of us want the game to be delayed. Is that hard to understand?
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> > > > > You’re not willing to just wait for 3 months to play the campaign first time in co-op. You want them to delay the entire game so nobody can play it for at least 3 months.
> > > > > This is a ‘if I can’t have what I want, then nobody should’ attitude.
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> > > > ‘‘You can’t wait 3 months for campaign co-op?’’ holy crap dude you are what’s wrong with the gaming industry. Most people aren’t gonna wait for an important update that should’ve been there day 1. I’ll most likely wait, that doesn’t mean I’m gonna be happy about it. I’ve waited 6 years for this game. By now, you would think the content would be even better than Halo 3 and Reach. I’m terrified about the other content that will be missing when this game drops and if it’s just as bad, if not worse than Halo 5 then you can say goodbye to that 10 year plan Microsoft has been hyping up. What I’m most worried about is if the player base will be bored with the game by the time these things come out. Same thing happened with Cod Cold War. Just stop commenting, you’re making yourself look like a clown.
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> > > I had more fun playing the flight than I did the entirety of halo reach, 4, and 5 combined. That’s just my opinion though, enjoy being a sourpuss about not having sprinkles on your icecream.
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> > Wow good for you, I enjoyed the flight too. You can’t come up with a good argument though and you’re the reason we’re getting half baked games nowadays. I’m not arguing with you anymore, you’re extremely immature and you’re not helping the game at all by defending this lol.
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> Just because you disagree with my opinion, that doesn’t make it incorrect. We don’t know what shape the game will be in at launch when it comes to actual issues. Not having co-op or forge at launch is not an actual issue with the game, it’s just something we want.
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> I’d love for it to come with the game at launch, but not if it isn’t ready. I’ll play the parts of the game that are ready in the mean time.
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> Also, why is everyone so worried about the game being successful at launch? Do you have shares involved here? Let microsoft and 343i worry about the game being successful. They already know they’re getting my money to play this golden goddess of a game.
And yet you talk like you’re speaking facts. You’re not, you’re just being a shill for a company that doesn’t even know you exist. And yes, we don’t know what the launch will be like but you can’t blame me for being worried if they don’t even have those very important modes at launch. That shows they haven’t learned and that so much other content will be missing like Halo 5.
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> > > > This is absolutely ridiculous. You’ve had 6 years to develop this game but you can’t have campaign co-op or forge at launch? What the hell is happening with this studio? This can’t be another Halo 5 situation 343, it just can’t be.
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> > > Why delay a full game for just 2 things if the whole thing is already finished??
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> > Well then the whole thing is not finished
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> Yes it is. Campaign is finished, MP is finished, thats the core of the game. Co-op campaign and forge dont make the full game, the base campaign, gameplay, and MP do
Oh I agree that they made the right move choosing to perfect those over forge. But to say that whole game is finished when forge isn’t really undercuts the significance of forge. It’s become a huge part of Halo. I’ll choose this time to explain my view that it’s completely understandable to me from what I’ve read why they are where they are. They essentially only had 3 years after finishing Slipspace engine, a huge engine overhaul, and Covid took a huge chunk of that potential progress time away from them. Plus, they’ve had to streamline this game for console and pc, for campaign, multiplayer, and forge. Apparently, there were big issues with pc to solve, so I think they chose right to perfect at least what I’d consider to be 2/3 of the game. However, I think that from what’s happened, it’s completely justified to allow them more time to delay the game for a stellar launch, that will likely set the reputation for this game. But it seems that Microsoft may be forcing their hand
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> > Duke Nukem, Aliens: Colonial Marines, and CyberPunk 2077 are 3 titles I can think of that were delayed for massive periods of time. Delays don’t solve anything, competence does.
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> Umm delays can only help but only if the devs learn from their mistakes.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m saying there’s a point where delays are not the answer haha
Honestly, I can accept Forge being delayed. A lack of co-op campaign definitely seems to be a big misstep though. I wonder if this is because they are trying to get split screen to work with Infinite’s campaign? I can only imagine what a pain in the -Yoink- that must be to try getting it to work on the original Xbone/ Xbone S. But I definitely don’t want the game to be delayed at this point. The multiplayer was fun as hell.
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> No, the fact the features are not done in time is 343’s. MS delayed it an entire year and took that failure on the chin. They wont do that again when they have more to potentially gain.
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> Blame 343, but understand why the game wont be delayed again. As much as people dont want to admit it, if the core multiplayer is good and core campaign is good, this wont be that big of a deal for most people.
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> Im disappointed but on the bright side, I now have another reason to play through the campaign at a later date with my friends now.
I don’t entirely blame 343, as I think covid and the fact that they had to streamline campaign, multiplayer, and forge for console and pc was just too much. They’ve had like 2.5 years to complete what is a monumental task. I think it’s a bit unfair to have them release, but if they must, I feel it’s unfair to expect them to have any other choice but A) to launch the game with problematic campaign, multiplayer, and forge, or B) to launch the game with perfect campaign and multiplayer, and to perfect forge for release mid 2022, and of those two choices, I think they made the best one they could
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> After what happened with H5…I completely agree that Infinite should be delayed. Basicially “A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad.”"
This quote has been proven false a not-insignificant number of times. Duke Nukem Forever and Crackdown 3 particularly come to mind. Delaying the game for these two features that will eventually arrive, when the game’s two core modes (campaign and multiplayer) are set to be ready to go at launch, would be a huge misstep in my opinion.
We’re already in an era of games constantly evolving and adding features after launch. It’s been made clear that Infinite is gonna be a platform for the next 10 years of Halo going forward, so Infinite is gonna have Forge and co-op for longer than it won’t have it, across its lifetime. And having the solo campaign and MP launch first will give 343i time to look at feedback, statistics, play data, and so forth in ways that could make Forge and campaign co-op better than if the whole package was delayed and everything was released at the same time.
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> > > Duke Nukem, Aliens: Colonial Marines, and CyberPunk 2077 are 3 titles I can think of that were delayed for massive periods of time. Delays don’t solve anything, competence does.
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> > Umm delays can only help but only if the devs learn from their mistakes.
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> I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m saying there’s a point where delays are not the answer haha
Yeh I agree but just wish these delays would help 343i since mostly concerned about how badly 343i seem to be handling Halo and concerned that they will repeat the same H5 launch mistakes.
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> > > > This is absolutely ridiculous. You’ve had 6 years to develop this game but you can’t have campaign co-op or forge at launch? What the hell is happening with this studio? This can’t be another Halo 5 situation 343, it just can’t be.
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> Yes it is. Campaign is finished, MP is finished, thats the core of the game. Co-op campaign and forge dont make the full game, the base campaign, gameplay, and MP do. Dont wanna buy it?? aight, dont
How long will the campaign be though? How much can we do in it? How many playlists will be for multiplayer at launch? What new and returning modes will there be? Also again, co-op campaign and forge are basically the full game, they are extremely important whether you use them or not. Many people do. How is no one thinking about this? 343 have been awfully quiet about things like this and they’re just saying ‘‘This is a live service, we’ll add more and more over the years.’’
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> Go make your own game that will be comparable. Bet its easy!
this is literally the worst response to game criticism i’ve ever seen
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> How long will the campaign be though? How much can we do in it? How many playlists will be for multiplayer at launch? What new and returning modes will there be? Also again, co-op campaign and forge are basically the full game, they are extremely important whether you use them or not. Many people do. How is no one thinking about this? 343 have been awfully quiet about things like this and they’re just saying ‘‘This is a live service, we’ll add more and more over the years.’’
We’ve become sheep.
It’s the new fashion. Now we are led to believe that the old features are a ridiculous novelty since H4. The worst is that we accept this illusion.
We need a petition against 343. Stop too much is too much.
We can’t take it anymore… Each new halo is the same, we are the one to worry, because always bad news before the release…
We need a petition against 343. Stop too much is too much.
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> I disagree. They shouldn’t delay the entire game just for a mode and co-op feature. I agree that it really sucks, I was looking forward to doing campaign with a friend, but why should everything else be pushed back just for 2 things?
I agree. I’ve waited 6yrs for this game. I’m a huge multiplayer guy and I love forge but I don’t believe the game should be delayed anymore because of these features not being present. I honestly think you guys will survive.
I must say that the roadmap of coop and campaign took me by surprise but I’m really glad they actually shared this with us today, this gives me some faith that there are at least no more bad surprises coming months.
Are coop and forge two essential aspects for a Halo game? Definitely! Are these conditions for me to start enjoying the game? Hell no.
Don’t get me wrong; I was living towards that idyllic release day playing campaign with the boys on the couch the same we started 20 years ago but now with our kids watching. Not getting that this holiday hurts. Was I planning on forging an octagon and a fiesta game type so we could get to know the new sandbox in a free for all brawl? Hell yeah, and I will miss that.
However there is apparently a perfect single player campaign to experience and a multiplayer game ready that they want to share, knowing the expectations that are bound to those! Sky high expectations as much expressed in all the great posts here.
I still think they are about to deliver us an awesome present for the holidays. It won’t be the platinum Rolex yet(!) but it will be that soon after. Let’s start enjoying this new halo journey and put that experience and inspiration to work every time the missing features are added.
TLDR; 343 knows how high the bar is concerning the quality of this game. If they say the SP campaign and MP are ready let’s go and enjoy with faith that there is no doubt what halo infinite’s endgame will be!
Everyone is overreacting. They are on a new engine hence they have to build everything from the bottom up and not purely derive. Co-op will have the largest tethering gap ever in Halo and Forge has to be dynamic with a new engine.
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> I disagree. They shouldn’t delay the entire game just for a mode and co-op feature. I agree that it really sucks, I was looking forward to doing campaign with a friend, but why should everything else be pushed back just for 2 things?
But that’s just the thing. There are probably a bit much of other modes and gametypes missing as well just like what happened to H5.