No Visible CSR will be the death of Halo 4

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> i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again: literally the only people who don’t want vigr are those who either could not get their 50 in h3 or who are really bad. that’s a fact, not an opinion. if you were a 50 in h3 and had at least a 2.0 kd in reach, i challenge you to come in here and say you don’t want a vigr. it won’t happen. only those who are terrible at halo don’t want vigr because they’re afraid of getting their feelings hurt and/or they are misled into thinking that boosting somehow ruins the game when, in fact, if you’re good, boosters won’t give you a hard time because you’ll be beating them anyway.

Yea we need visible in game CSR. Can we survive without it? yes are we or most of the people going to even try it even though im sure a large amount of people that want it have a decent internet connection and a smartphone ? Nope. 343 there has to be some way people dont care if its flashy make that thing with pixels IDK find someway to get it in.

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It won’t kill the game. Not by a long shot. The hyperbole of these competitive players is insufferable.

I never liked 1-50. Too many of those who use it remind me of those kids in grammar school or even high school who could only find self worth when comparing themselves to others or criticizing others.

If they put it in, it should only be available in competitive playlists like in H3. Even then I’d prefer to have the option to turn it off… you’ll know you’re being matched with comparable players anyway.

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> i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again: literally the only people who don’t want vigr are those who either could not get their 50 in h3 or who are really bad. that’s a fact, not an opinion. if you were a 50 in h3 and had at least a 2.0 kd in reach, i challenge you to come in here and say you don’t want a vigr. it won’t happen. only those who are terrible at halo don’t want vigr because they’re afraid of getting their feelings hurt and/or they are misled into thinking that boosting somehow ruins the game when, in fact, if you’re good, boosters won’t give you a hard time because you’ll be beating them anyway.

So what you are saying is that the vast majority who are mediocre, myself included, to accept CSR because the minority, those that consider themselves good, want an E--Yoink!- to showoff with?

Please, put your e-junk away :slight_smile:

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> i’ve said it before and i’ll say it again: literally the only people who don’t want vigr are those who either could not get their 50 in h3 or who are really bad. that’s a fact, not an opinion. if you were a 50 in h3 and had at least a 2.0 kd in reach, i challenge you to come in here and say you don’t want a vigr. it won’t happen. only those who are terrible at halo don’t want vigr because they’re afraid of getting their feelings hurt and/or they are misled into thinking that boosting somehow ruins the game when, in fact, if you’re good, boosters won’t give you a hard time because you’ll be beating them anyway.

I bounced around 39-40 in H3. This does not mean I’m really bad at the game, or even terrible.

And don’t judge me by my K/D because I play objective, where K/D is not a consideration.

This is the problem I have with those who want VIGR. You’re quick to judge and that judgment renders anyone not a 50 as “terrible at halo, don’t want vigr because they’re of getting their feelings hurt…etc,etc.”

In actuality we’re just looking at it from a more mature standpoint than you are. Fact.

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I’d rather not have it…I see problems down the road if it comes back…we already have pre-game quitters…lets not give them another excuse other than “thats not the map I wanted to play on”

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> If they put it in, it should only be available in competitive playlists like in H3.

Completely agreed. Having a social and ranked set of playlists is exactly what we need. somewhere for teams looking for competitive play, and another place for people that just wanna have fun.

> So what you are saying is that the vast majority who are mediocre, myself included, to accept CSR because the minority, those that consider themselves good, want an E--Yoink!- to showoff with?
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> Please, put your e-junk away :slight_smile:

Stop saying E--Yoink!-, for one. It’s a gross and unnecessary term for pride. For two, having pride isn’t a bad thing and it develops a connection to the game driven by passion. Thirdly, I think the majority of the players would benefit greatly from a little competitive nature.

> I bounced around 39-40 in H3. This does not mean I’m really bad at the game, or even terrible.
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> And don’t judge me by my K/D because I play objective, where K/D is not a consideration.
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> This is the problem I have with those who want VIGR. You’re quick to judge and that judgment renders anyone not a 50 as “terrible at halo, don’t want vigr because they’re of getting their feelings hurt…etc,etc.”
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> In actuality we’re just looking at it from a more mature standpoint than you are. Fact.

not all 50’s are like this particular individual. and to add to that, it isn’t usually the 50 that starts a confrontation involving ranks. It’s usually in defense of someone of a lower rank saying, “Where’d you buy your 50 BK? You’re such a scrub -Yoink- -Yoink- No way you’re legit I’ve played way better 35s than you -Yoink-”. However, neither side is right to be bringing up ranks in the first place.

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> So what you are saying is that the vast majority who are mediocre, myself included, to accept CSR because the minority, those that consider themselves good, want an E--Yoink!- to showoff with?
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> Please, put your e-junk away :slight_smile:

Why do you care about whether or not there are ranks? Why would ANY mediocre player that wouldn’t play ranked ayways care that there are ranks? If you want to be a little -Yoink- and moan that someone is better than you then you just don’t have to play the playlist. You don’t have to ruin it for the rest of us just because you’re feelings getting hurt easy. And this is coming from a bad halo 3 player with a highest skill of only 35. Visible ranks encourage me to get better and it makes a more competitive environment while matching players with similar skill. There is absolutely no good reason why visible rank shouldn’t be in game. cheating and such will happen no matter what but for the people that want VIGR it’s a fine tradeoff

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> If CSR is not visible in-game, then Halo 4… and the halo series will die. Just look at the game’s population three months into launch. Its almost dead… and with 343 planning on not making CSR visible in game, seriously 343 don’t even bother working on CSR. Having no visible CSR defeats the purpose of even having a ranking system. Why do you think Halo 2 and Halo 3’s populations were MUCH higher than reach and halo 4? It’s not rocket science… its so simple just give us what we want. Halo 2’s matchmaking was actually addicting because when you de-ranked you wanted to go back and play more matches to get your rank back up. Having it visible adds to the pride and motivation of working hard to achieve a high rank. 343… you guys were Dead Wrong for many things… don’t ruin your last chance to save the series. Bring back competitive halo!
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> I want to see what the community thinks… answer the poll above! :slight_smile:

I understand your points but, for months I have said a CSR, whether visible or not won’t make any difference.

I’ve said for weeks and weeks that separate social and competitive plays lists won’t make any difference.

Enter Team Throwdown.

The best it did was 4th out of 12 on the War Games play list day one and today it sits at 13 out of 14. And, that is no surprise at all. It was never going to be populated very well at all. The gaming population has moved on…competitive players are an endangered minority.
Yes, 343i were good to listen and try and make the competitive players “happy” but, it still would not have made a jot of difference had this been done from launch day or as of last week.

CSR?

LMAO…it will be the same as I have always said. It’s doomed to failure because its catered for a minority. It won’t make a difference whether it’s visible here, over there or anywhere at all.

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Yeah, WolfBlade XII !! You’re so RIGHT! xD The competitive players are an endangered species… maybe thats why Halo 4’s population is doing so WELL 4 months into launch right? The competitive players all abandoned Halo 4… thats why we seem “endangered” Let me tell you something, 4 months into launch and the pop is 50 k that should scare the hell out of you buddy. Considering the fact that Halo 2 and Halo 3 EASILY had 300k + players one YEAR after launch.

Theres no more incentive to play with no ranking system… especially if its not visible in-game. And guess what?! Overtime… halo will die without visible CSR. Because if they dont make CSR visible in game… the competitive players wont come back, and the populations just going to keep declining and declining.

And for all of those that are complaining about 1-50… they can easily fix that problem with an option not to display your CSR… or they can just go play social playlists.

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> Yeah, Salfiti!

Well, while I have predicted correctly what I stated in my post you so kindly replied too, it is a fact that in these forum’s I have also supported those who wish to have a CSR, whether visible or not.

I believe in fair and balanced.

Give the minority what they want. It doesn’t hurt me either way.

Have separate play lists…doesn’t hurt me either way.

All games have a starting population which over time, at different rates, decreases. Take Halo 3 for example. If it was the be-all-and-end-all, why did the large number of competitive players abandoned it? Why are the play lists for Halo 3 so low? Do I have to really answer the obvious! Why would Halo 4 be any different?

No CSR or any other ranking system, even duplicated 100 per cent from Halo 3 will ever save any game, whether it’s Halo 4 or My Little Pony 2. And, why peddle the nonsense that any given game will die without the said CSR or Halo 3 ranking system or whatever, is rubbish. All games will naturally come to an end,as will Halo 2 when its servers go down in June (or there abouts)when the devs decide to pull the plug. Halo 4 will be around for years to come until the day the devs pull the plug and people will be playing Halo 4 War Games until then. But,many would have moved onto Halo 5.

People moved on from Halo 2, to Halo 3, to Halo Reach and then onto Halo 4. And, so the cycle will continue. CSR has nothing to do with it.

One thing is certain, IMO, a ranking system should be shipped with the launch of Halo 5. However, that’s not what will make Halo 5 great or not, determine how long it will last or not but,will merely be a feature to keep a small group happy. And, that’s OK with me.

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exactly i don’t want to have to come on here every time i play a match to see if i went up or down. I want to see right after the match, so it will get me to try harder next time and increase competitiveness.

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That’s so hilarious. “NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE MY TRUESKILL IN-GAME (which I couldn’t even see at all beforehand) WILL BE THE DEATH OF THIS ENTIRE GAME!!!11!1”

This community needs to tone down the hyperbole.

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I don’t mind having the visible rank, but it should be just the number. I would leave the details in Waypoint like when you will rank up and what is needed to rank up. Having an anchor of ranks in Waypoint is a good idea. It’s harder to exploit.

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Everybody on these forums thinks that if 343 dont give them what THEY wont, group or individual, then that will be the ¨death of Halo.¨

So be it!

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> > Yeah, Salfiti!
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> Well, while I have predicted correctly what I stated in my post you so kindly replied too, it is a fact that in these forum’s I have also supported those who wish to have a CSR, whether visible or not.
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> I believe in fair and balanced.
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> Give the minority what they want. It doesn’t hurt me either way.
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> Have separate play lists…doesn’t hurt me either way.
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> All games have a starting population which over time, at different rates, decreases. Take Halo 3 for example. If it was the be-all-and-end-all, why did the large number of competitive players abandoned it? Why are the play lists for Halo 3 so low? Do I have to really answer the obvious! Why would Halo 4 be any different?
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> No CSR or any other ranking system, even duplicated 100 per cent from Halo 3 will ever save any game, whether it’s Halo 4 or My Little Pony 2. And, why peddle the nonsense that any given game will die without the said CSR or Halo 3 ranking system or whatever, is rubbish. All games will naturally come to an end,as will Halo 2 when its servers go down in June (or there abouts)when the devs decide to pull the plug. Halo 4 will be around for years to come until the day the devs pull the plug and people will be playing Halo 4 War Games until then. But,many would have moved onto Halo 5.
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> People moved on from Halo 2, to Halo 3, to Halo Reach and then onto Halo 4. And, so the cycle will continue. CSR has nothing to do with it.
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> One thing is certain, IMO, a ranking system should be shipped with the launch of Halo 5. However, that’s not what will make Halo 5 great or not, determine how long it will last or not but,will merely be a feature to keep a small group happy. And, that’s OK with me.

I wouldn’t say it’s catered towards the minority that is competitive players. Not at all. Everyone has competitive nature within them, and everyone feels the need to show off every once in a while. It’s not just the uber-competitive that want to ascend above those around them, and I think that’s something that a lot of people (surprisingly) leave out of this discussion. a VIGR, while obviously more wanted by the competitive group, benefits everyone in giving incentive to practice and get better. No one wants to be the 20 in a group of friends that are a higher level. You’ll always want to show up your friends, or for that matter people in the lobby with you of whatever game you are playing.

I do believe this game needs a visible CSR, only because of the massive gap that is created by not having one. See, competitive players will always play to be the best, whether there is a CSR or not, but without a measure of skill and nothing to show of their practice and hard work, it get’s boring, repetitive, and frustrating to play matches over and over with nothing gained. and casual players, with no incentive to get better due to no Ranked playlists or CSR active, will continue to play blissfully with no intent to get better, thus keeping them firmly locked within a casual mindset. Now, when the game gets too frustrating and boring for the competitive players to bear anymore, they will inevitably leave for something more exciting. That’s just the way it goes, and has gone since the beginning of ever (assuming, of course I have no evidence of this). When those competitive players leave, the ever evolving casual group is meant to take their place. They are meant to work their way up through the ranks and become the next competitive group. But, without a CSR to show ranks to the casual group, there is nothing to intrigue them and push them to move to the next level. This causes them to stay within the lower tiers of the game, while the competitive players leave due to boredom. Eventually what is destined to happen in such a scenario is that all the competitive group leaves, and all that is left is the casuals, which jump from game to game, and don’t care about the longevity due to a constant flux of new games either way. Competitive players care more about a games longevity because if they are going to put in the time to get good enough to compete, they don’t want to see the game die. That’s the reason I generally say that competitive players are the heart and soul of a games life span. But I digress.

People have their pros and cons, but I believe a VIGR benefits us all, casual or competitive. It’s incentive to play and get better, and to develop a bond with a game. Without competitive nature, games are destined to fall sooner than later.

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I’m getting pretty tired of seeing people thinking a game is dead for having several tens of thousand still playing. Hell, people still consider Halo 2 Vista alive and it’s got like 20 people playing.

As much as many of us, including myself, would like Halo to return to its glory days, it’s just not feasible in today’s market UNLESS the community sticks together. But instead, all I’ve seen is increased division. I respect the CoD community more just because even they still play their broken game, release after release. If anything, we need to band together, stop clinging to the past, and be more constructive about what we DO have, not what it SHOULD be (within reason of course). Let’s face it, even if CSR was included in-game, it won’t, and I repeat, it WON’T bring the population back to the glory days. It’ll just be a small bump. The fact that CSR is even being included off into waypoint only should be praise enough from the fans, because realistically, those who care about that stuff should be able to take the time to see how they’re progressing. Quit being lazy.

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> I’m getting pretty tired of seeing people thinking a game is dead for having several tens of thousand still playing. Hell, people still consider Halo 2 Vista alive and it’s got like 20 people playing.
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> As much as many of us, including myself, would like Halo to return to its glory days, it’s just not feasible in today’s market UNLESS the community sticks together. But instead, all I’ve seen is increased division. I respect the CoD community more just because even they still play their broken game, release after release. If anything, we need to band together, stop clinging to the past, and be more constructive about what we DO have, not what it SHOULD be (within reason of course). Let’s face it, even if CSR was included in-game, it won’t, and I repeat, it WON’T bring the population back to the glory days. It’ll just be a small bump. The fact that CSR is even being included off into waypoint only should be praise enough from the fans, because realistically, those who care about that stuff should be able to take the time to see how they’re progressing. Quit being lazy.

Halo is a AAA gaming franchise, and nothing but the best should be expected or accepted. To say we should just sit back and accept the compromises given to us by the less than overachieving game developers isn’t being humble, it’s being stupid. 343i doesn’t want to put in the work on this game because they are already focused on Halo 5 for the launch of the Xbox Infinity, and it’s more important to them to meet that deadline than give us anything for this game. And that’s a complete slap in the face, even if it’s justifiable to some extent.

The Halo community should not give any slack to a company that is hardly trying to appease them at 5 months in.

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Thank you!

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> > I’m getting pretty tired of seeing people thinking a game is dead for having several tens of thousand still playing. Hell, people still consider Halo 2 Vista alive and it’s got like 20 people playing.
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> > As much as many of us, including myself, would like Halo to return to its glory days, it’s just not feasible in today’s market UNLESS the community sticks together. But instead, all I’ve seen is increased division. I respect the CoD community more just because even they still play their broken game, release after release. If anything, we need to band together, stop clinging to the past, and be more constructive about what we DO have, not what it SHOULD be (within reason of course). Let’s face it, even if CSR was included in-game, it won’t, and I repeat, it WON’T bring the population back to the glory days. It’ll just be a small bump. The fact that CSR is even being included off into waypoint only should be praise enough from the fans, because realistically, those who care about that stuff should be able to take the time to see how they’re progressing. Quit being lazy.
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> Halo is a AAA gaming franchise, and nothing but the best should be expected or accepted. To say we should just sit back and accept the compromises given to us by the less than overachieving game developers isn’t being humble, it’s being stupid. 343i doesn’t want to put in the work on this game because they are already focused on Halo 5 for the launch of the Xbox Infinity, and it’s more important to them to meet that deadline than give us anything for this game. And that’s a complete slap in the face, even if it’s justifiable to some extent.
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> The Halo community should not give any slack to a company that is hardly trying to appease them at 5 months in.

If 343 were hardly even trying to listen to us, they would not have listened to us at all in the first place. 343 is trying to listen to us. They are listening to our complaints about this game. IMO I believe that they are working in a faster pace than Bungie. Lets face it, this is 343’s first game and of course they are going to have a lot of mistakes but they will learn and try to fix it yet you people give them no chance because many people will just claim that they are lying and not listening to the community. I’m sick and tired of this crap that I see everyday: “Halo 4 is a bad game because of gimmicks” and “343 is not a worthy developer” Why do I always see this? I know that 343 made mistakes but they can fix them we just have to wait and see if what they do actually works or not. From then on, thats when we can complain all we want.

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I’m pretty sure no one cares about CSR.

If Army of Two had a 1-50 rank system, it wouldn’t suddenly be #1 on Xbox.