No more camo campers?

Games Other Halo
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I’m sure some of you would have seen my ‘Camo campers’ post and I was overwhelmed with how many people there actually were that used AC.
So now my next question is, what would you do if in the last few minutes before the weapon tuning goes live, 343i decides to scrap AC as an AA and turn it into a power-up?
I know this isn’t happening BUT if it did what would you do?
Would you just quit Halo 4 complaining or just change your AA as if nothing happened or would your KD plummet to 0.01? (Thats exaggerating a little bit).

Please discuss.

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Use the thruster pack. Or the wall hack.

I only use camo on two loadouts so it wouldnt kill me.

But good question haha

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If that happened, my life would be complete! Not really, but I would definitely enjoy the game a lot more. Camo in loadouts is one of the biggest problems with the game. It was fine as a power-up. Now it’s a problem no matter how much they nerf it.

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I use camo only in BTIS and when playing CTF on BTIS maps like Ragnarok, Settler, or Exile. Outside of BTIS and large-map-CTF I use all other AAs more or less equally.

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The issue about camo is such a bogus one, IMO.

Before the TU/AC nerf and, even after it, I have never had a problem spotting someone using AC. For example, if I was to the left of Red base on Ragnarok, looking towards Top Middle or the downed Pelican, I could/can see those using AC. Not being able to do so suggests that the person complaining is not situationally aware and can’t, due to lack of visual awareness, see the AC users.

As for AC users who might be camping around corners, in caves and rooks etc, for the life of me, what the Yoink do you all think the Radar is for? Again, not an issue to combat the AC user.

IMO, for the fist example above, if your a lemming who loves to launch out of either the Red or Blue base man cannons, your just asking to be shot either while in flight or once you land in the great open expanse of green fields. You can not Yoink about not seeing the AC user. It is your fault if you upon respawning, launch out of the man canon to yet again to die!

In the second example, if you are not paying attention, you deserve to die!

In BTIS, there has never been a game where everyone has AC on or everyone is AC camping/sniping yet, on these forums, you would mistakenly believe that is what is actually happening. Pure exaggeration! I have played a lot of Halo 4, and there are all types of AAs being used and, weapons too for that matter! AC abuse, as turned into myth on this forum, isn’t prevalent in Dominion, CTF or any of the other game modes/play lists I frequent. Again, different AAs are in use.

Those who Yoink about AC are those who either have no situational or visual awareness, do not know their maps and many other things. They are also the ones who repeat their mistakes over and over again. Others who Yoink are just peeved because an AC user ended the big killing spree or whatever.

Facts is, AC is not overused. It is not OP. It can be countered. Blah blah and blah some more. AC will not be a power-up as there is no need. It has its place just as all AAs do. You don’t like AC,play Pro,play Team Throwdown, play SWAT or whatever…but, AC belongs where ever it is available. Stop trying to ruin what people do like and reshape every play lists to suite your own ends.

BTW, I only have AC in one loadout and I only use it on three maps. The three maps I use it on I do so only if I have decided to do a particular thing in that match. Otherwise, I use Hologram (2 loadouts) and Autosentry (2 loadouts). Sometimes I’ll swap to Thruster on the fly and also the Jetpack, depending upon the map and game mode.

AC has different uses. A small number might use it while they camp. Many others actually do not camp in one spot but show up at many different locations around any given map during the match. It can be used/activated just a moment before the enemy comes into sight, causing instant uncertainty on their radar, as you push forward and attack them face on. And, that its basically it. On the other hand, there are AAs, such as Thruster and Autosentry which makes AC look like child’s play.

OT: As I do not rely on any one AA and know when and where to use different ones, AC being a power-up would not phase me. I kill Spartans while I use AC and can equally kill Spartans when not using it!

Should it go?

No!

Equal rights for all AAs!

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Camo would be far better as a powerup. Speed Boost would be less OP than Camo as an AA.

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> Camo would be far better as a powerup. Speed Boost would be less OP than Camo as an AA.

You do realize that the AC is not OP, rather, it was the weapon most AC users use, the DMR. The AC didn’t kill you, the DMR did. If the AC had been a pickup/power up, you’d still be dead due to the DMR, not the AC!

The sped boost as an AA is laughable because that is OP. I have used Speed Boost to chase a Gauss Hog, high-jack and kill the driver, drive the Gauss into the Scorpion bay on Exile, jump out kill the Gauss Gunner and then chase after a Mongoose driver and kill him/her all before it ran out! I can’t do that with AC!

Autosentry actually has netted me double and triple kills having taken out six vehicles so far with a kill shot. It protects me and “watches” my back, flank etc. It gets assist etc. It even brought up the kill shot for one of my killing frenzies. AC can’t do any of that.

The Jetpack gets me to places on the map where I can get better shots and angles, make quick escapes and so much more. Jetpack can save my life. AC can’t do anything liek that.

The Thruster pack can be used for super quick beat downs, assassinations, Ninjas, avoiding death in 1v1 and turn it around to a win/kill, make map movement more quicker and spectacular and so much more. It can be used to avoid incoming nades and rocks when you have a shotgun/scattershot/boltshot. AC can’t do any of that!

We all know how great PV is! AC is weak as Yoink compared to PV!

I love the Hologram and I still can’t believe how many people still fall for it! It has great use as a Tea bagging humiliation device. I love how people turn and run after the Hologram and try to kill it, netting you the kill instead. The Hologram, when used right,is a far better device, if used right, for the majority of camping/ambush situations. AC is less OP than the Hologram IMO, especially so in CQC and camping situations. AC is not, it is only partly useful when used on large maps by snipers and DMR users but, only until you spot them. AC has no other benefit!

Two AAs are weak, when compared to others. The Hardlight Shield has little to no benefit and is the games worst. The Regen actually is the only AA to benefit your whole team.

In terms of OP, they are ranked as follows:

  1. Autosentry;
  2. Thruster;
  3. PV;
  4. Hologram;
  5. Jetpack;
  6. AC;
  7. HLS; and
  8. Regen.

AC is passive in that ifyou move,its limited usefulness is instantly gone. When you shot, people see you. Even if you do not shot but move slightly, you can be seen. AC users can even be seen from long distance if they don’t move if you know what to look for!

AC is far from being OP when compared to other AAs.

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That doesn’t make any sense to me, if the auto-sentry is the most OP AA then why is it probably the least used?
I have come across people using AC 100x more than I have people using Auto-Sentry.

People in Camo are easy to see when; 1. they’re moving 2. they’re close to you 3. when they are shooting. And people normally Camo Camping are; 1. not moving 2. far away from you 3. normally have a Sniper weapon that doesn’t take you out of camo too much.

And the other AA’s are not OP the only ones that are a bit of a problem are Jet-pack and Promethean-vision, but are no where near as OP as camo.

I also know my situational awareness on every map, and I am not a player who just constantly runs into a Ragnarok man-cannon, I have nearly a 1.5 KD without using camping as a strategy at all in any Halo game. And I would like to keep playing BTIS because aside from the Camo Campers, I quite enjoy all the vehicle gameplay (which is possible if you’re a great driver gunner) and large scale battles

Another problem with what you said is

‘As for AC users who might be camping around corners, in caves and rooks etc, for the life of me, what the Yoink do you all think the Radar is for? Again, not an issue to combat the AC user.’

Well what if they are using the camo glitch? which most smart people are.

I’m pretty sure the vast majority would all like to see AC removed from an AA, I have heard people saying that they don’t like Camo but they use it because it’s there. If it wasn’t there they would probably be overall happy to see it gone.

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I hate users who use the Active Camouflage armor ability. Camping is a cheap, yet it’s a legitimate strategy. However, camping while basically being invisible is a totally different ball park. Personally, I would like the Active Camouflage armor ability to act like the Promethean Vision armor ability when it comes to recharging.

When using the Promethean Vision and then switching it off, the recharge instantly goes to red. If a user has the Active Camouflage armor ability activated and fires off a shot from a sniper rifle, beam rifle and so on, this armor ability cease functioning and goes to red. If the user is wielding other weapons, such as short to mid range guns, the armor ability can still cloak the user based on the movement of the player and how fast this user is firing the currently equipped weapon.

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I would buy another copy of Halo 4 to support 343 and give it to someone. Seriously that would be AMAZING.

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> In terms of OP, they are ranked as follows:
>
> 1. Autosentry;
> 2. Thruster;
> 3. PV;
> 4. Hologram;
> 5. Jetpack;
> 6. AC;
> 7. HLS; and
> 8. Regen.
>
> AC is passive in that ifyou move,its limited usefulness is instantly gone. When you shot, people see you. Even if you do not shot but move slightly, you can be seen. AC users can even be seen from long distance if they don’t move if you know what to look for!
>
> AC is far from being OP when compared to other AAs.

BS.

  1. AC
  2. PV
  3. Jetpack

Nothing wrong with the below -

  1. Thruster (my fav)
  2. Hologram
  3. Regen
  4. Autosentry
  5. HLS

Oh, wait. You were playing lightning flag. Yeah the autosentry in lightning flag is OP.

XD

Lol for the most part at autosentry, but also for thruster above PV and AC and especially hologram above AC.

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You see the AC should be a point of contention on the map. I never heard any one complain about AC as pick up.

Being able to turn nearly invisible whenever you wish is a bit over powered , especially with the move away from the arena shooter “roots” that Halo has made.

On smaller maps AC can be a pain but its’ effectiveness is limited. Put it “in the hands” of players on larger maps , like the maps in Reach and H4 and you get the over powered aspect.

Wolf I haven’t argued with you in the past to much because you have very well thought out points and whether I agreed or not I could see your point of view. That being said , the ability to reach out and one shot some one , with out risking any more than a split second slip of invisibility , is to much.

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Also the ability to see an AC user has a lot to do with the Xbox you use , the TV you play on , and the cable(s) you use to transmit the signal.

It is not entirely “people suck if they can’t see them”. Sorry if that was not the message you meant to get across , but that is how it came out.

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> > In terms of OP, they are ranked as follows:
> >
> > 1. Autosentry;
> > 2. Thruster;
> > 3. PV;
> > 4. Hologram;
> > 5. Jetpack;
> > 6. AC;
> > 7. HLS; and
> > 8. Regen.
> >
> > AC is passive in that ifyou move,its limited usefulness is instantly gone. When you shot, people see you. Even if you do not shot but move slightly, you can be seen. AC users can even be seen from long distance if they don’t move if you know what to look for!
> >
> > AC is far from being OP when compared to other AAs.
>
> BS.
>
> 1. AC
> 2. PV
> 3. Jetpack
>
> Nothing wrong with the below -
>
> 4. Thruster (my fav)
> 5. Hologram
> 6. Regen
> 7. Autosentry
> 8. HLS
>
> Oh, wait. You were playing lightning flag. Yeah the autosentry in lightning flag is OP.
>
> XD
>
> Lol for the most part at autosentry, but also for thruster above PV and AC and especially hologram above AC.

I read his list 3 times, just to be sure I actually did see that he considered holgram to be more OP than AC and JP. Mind = boggled.

@Wolfblade I also liked your comments on situational awareness, Wolf. Given that just a few weeks ago it was a concept you didn’t know about and I had to explain to you. Suddenly you’re an expert it would seem. What annoys me is you just reskinned an argument against AC by blaming the player. Basicly, you took an argument I provided a few weeks ago and added a “you jus mad cuz u suck brah” twist to it.

And so died, the last of your credibility.

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the big issue with AC, at least in my opinion, is that it FORCES camping upon its users now, and i know, i have 3 loadouts with it on, which are all i ever use, and i would love to be able to navigate the map using it as a sneaking tool since i play objectives, but because of how quickly it exposes you if you move fast and how short-lived the power is before a recharge is needed, its pretty tricky to do anything but remain static with it.

i actually think this version of camo in H4 is the weakest to date, very short lifetime, easy to spot, the radar is a dead ringer as to where you are, since its a small red blob and the user is in the center of said blob.

and all people do is whine about it, its things like this and the AR that i don’t get… why do people complain about them SO much, when there are much worse AAs and weapons in the game?

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It makes maps a clusterf*** - BTB you simply cant see them until they start shjoting you and if you arent already dead you will be in seconds.

I have had many games where two or more of the opposing team will spam AC in Infinity Slayer and it makes those games a nightmare.

Any way you look at it AC hurts the game in loadouts. Map pickup or ordinance is the way to go.

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Simple make it work like H2 with the arbiters camo since moving isn’t encouraged. Also I’ve never seen a camo sniper since the early days of reach how do you find these specimens

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The problem with AC is the glitch that will make you disappear from all radar and render you invisible with no other way for other players to know that someone is even there. There are no blue dots, and the glitch has not been acknowledged by 343 even when it’s been there since release.

Bottom line is, if you abuse this glitch, you are a scrub and need to get skill. end of story.

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Map movement and onwards

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I have used camo only a handful of times. It is just not my kind of play style. I get a lot more satisfaction when I do well from good awareness, making good decisions, and out 1v1 or even two if I’m lucky.

I was surprised as well with how many posted about using camo. I think it is an indication of a shift in philosophy not only from the players but the developers also. Not only did the developers want Halo to be more accessible with a smaller skill gap, but there is also a growing number of players that want that too.

I found it interesting, Wolfblade, that on one hand you stated it is all about awareness, and it is easy to find camo users by looking at your radar; but when you talked about you using it you noted the fact that they have to find you that that gives you an advantage. It cannot be both. Either it is easy to find them or it is not. I have some success at times but not all the time.

I believe the main question is if camo and all other AA’s were made pickup only would population suffer? I couldn’t say one way or another. I can say that I would like to play a more “pure” version of Halo. The kind that the veterans talk about. In the mean time I will continue to search out camo campers and long for the good old days.