- You need to add new maps to the arena playlist, even if they are fan made maps from forge. Like Malta and Carbon. I took a 2 year break from Halo and Xbox in general. Came back to the saaaame handful of maps, doubles, ffa, and team slayer. I go to YouTube and see ppl playing a Halo 2 Sanctuary map in a mlg tournament… Put new maps in your arena playlist please. Don’t ruin a good Halo engine with the same maps for 4 years straight. Also, im so tired of playing midship and midship-based maps.
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> 343. You need to add new maps to the arena playlist, even if they are fan made maps from forge. Like Malta and Carbon. I took a 2 year break from Halo and Xbox in general. Came back to the saaaame handful of maps, doubles, ffa, and team slayer. I go to YouTube and see ppl playing a Halo 2 Sanctuary map in a mlg tournament… Put new maps in your arena playlist please. Don’t ruin a good Halo engine with the same maps for 4 years straight. Also, im so tired of playing midship and midship-based maps.
The arena maps in H5 are probably some of the worst maps in the halo fraschise aside from H4. Makes it hard to enjoy the game.
Forge maps should be put in all ranked playlists at this point.
But i am pretty biased towards H3 MM maps, those are the gold standard for me. These maps fail in comparrison. A lot of them are just copy cats of another MM map in H5, just a different skin… Not sure who thought that would be a good idea.
I would try to name them for you but the maps are so lackluster i dont even remember the names, they all kind of just blend into one.
Not just there, In Warzone, every time I feel its the same few maps. lets change it up. or copy past some of the old school maps from halo 2 - 4.
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> Not just there, In Warzone, every time I feel its the same few maps. lets change it up. or copy past some of the old school maps from halo 2 - 4.
Agreed. It is the same 6 or 7 maps since the game released. Dont play much arena because of wildly unbalanced teams and warzone is getting way old because of the staleness.
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> But i am pretty biased towards H3 MM maps, those are the gold standard for me. These maps fail in comparrison. A lot of them are just copy cats of another MM map in H5, just a different skin… Not sure who thought that would be a good idea.
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> I would try to name them for you but the maps are so lackluster i dont even remember the names, they all kind of just blend into one.
I’ll do it for you. Truth/Regret, Rig/Molten, Plaza/Overgrowth, Torque/Stasis, Eden/Empire, Fathom/Riptide.
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> > But i am pretty biased towards H3 MM maps, those are the gold standard for me. These maps fail in comparrison. A lot of them are just copy cats of another MM map in H5, just a different skin… Not sure who thought that would be a good idea.
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> > I would try to name them for you but the maps are so lackluster i dont even remember the names, they all kind of just blend into one.
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> I’ll do it for you. Truth/Regret, Rig/Molten, Plaza/Overgrowth, Torque/Stasis, Eden/Empire, Fathom/Riptide.
Ah yes, thank you.
I never understood why they thought this would be a good idea. Im all for the map remakes like valhalla & midship, but essentailly remaking the same map within the same MP just doesnt seem right.
Well im glad it wasnt just me who noticed, i thought i was going crazy seeing doubles lol.
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> > But i am pretty biased towards H3 MM maps, those are the gold standard for me. These maps fail in comparrison. A lot of them are just copy cats of another MM map in H5, just a different skin… Not sure who thought that would be a good idea.
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> > I would try to name them for you but the maps are so lackluster i dont even remember the names, they all kind of just blend into one.
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> I’ll do it for you. Truth/Regret, Rig/Molten, Plaza/Overgrowth, Torque/Stasis, Eden/Empire, Fathom/Riptide.
I thought this was weirdly both insanely lazy and a bunch of rather pointless effort on 343’s part. What happened to “work smarter, not harder”? If one is going to go through the boring and painstaking effort of re-skinning an entire map, why not just create a new one?
At the very least, the cop-out solution of using more player-made forge maps would give us some diversity.
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> > But i am pretty biased towards H3 MM maps, those are the gold standard for me. These maps fail in comparrison. A lot of them are just copy cats of another MM map in H5, just a different skin… Not sure who thought that would be a good idea.
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> > I would try to name them for you but the maps are so lackluster i dont even remember the names, they all kind of just blend into one.
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> I’ll do it for you. Truth/Regret, Rig/Molten, Plaza/Overgrowth, Torque/Stasis, Eden/Empire, Fathom/Riptide.
You forgot Tyrant and Colesium.
I know how people love to rag on these pairings as warmovers and reskins, but that really makes me shake my head. I don’t want to launch into a tyrade defending a game I largely do not like, but the map criticisms don’t make any sense to me at all. With the possible exception of Eden and Empire, these maps are far more different than they are the same, aesthetically and in terms of lay out. Believe me, if all they wanted to do was get away with a quick and cheap reskin then maps like Torque and Stasis would not have been the result.
That said, OP is right. If they’re not going to add any new maps of their own then they should be adding forge maps a healthy pace.
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> > > I would try to name them for you but the maps are so lackluster i dont even remember the names, they all kind of just blend into one.
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> > I’ll do it for you. Truth/Regret, Rig/Molten, Plaza/Overgrowth, Torque/Stasis, Eden/Empire, Fathom/Riptide.
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> Ah yes, thank you.
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> I never understood why they thought this would be a good idea. Im all for the map remakes like valhalla & midship, but essentailly remaking the same map within the same MP just doesnt seem right.
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> Well im glad it wasnt just me who noticed, i thought i was going crazy seeing doubles lol.
Just because those maps share assets between each other, doesn’t mean they play even remotely the same.
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> > I never understood why they thought this would be a good idea. Im all for the map remakes like valhalla & midship, but essentailly remaking the same map within the same MP just doesnt seem right.
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> > Well im glad it wasnt just me who noticed, i thought i was going crazy seeing doubles lol.
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> Just because those maps share assets between each other, doesn’t mean they play even remotely the same.
I don’t play enough to weigh in here on how they play, maybe they play great! I just think there is no need to have replicas of the same map, that is all. Unless they want to have replicas or remakes of maps like The Pit or Narrows, then id have no problem with.
I mainly play Btb & WZ so my only experience on these maps is in swat & super fiesta, & its gets tiresome essentially playing on the same map over & over again.
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> You forgot Tyrant and Colesium.
If Tyrant and Coliseum are reskins of each other, they did a much better job of not making it super-noticeable, hence why I didn’t list them. Can’t say the same for the other maps, where, at least to me, they are clear and obvious reskins of each other.
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> > > > I would try to name them for you but the maps are so lackluster i dont even remember the names, they all kind of just blend into one.
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> > I never understood why they thought this would be a good idea. Im all for the map remakes like valhalla & midship, but essentailly remaking the same map within the same MP just doesnt seem right.
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> > Well im glad it wasnt just me who noticed, i thought i was going crazy seeing doubles lol.
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> Just because those maps share assets between each other, doesn’t mean they play even remotely the same.
True. Still doesn’t change the fact that they’re so obviously the same maps with some modifications to make them look different from each other.
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> > > > > But i am pretty biased towards H3 MM maps, those are the gold standard for me. These maps fail in comparrison. A lot of them are just copy cats of another MM map in H5, just a different skin… Not sure who thought that would be a good idea.
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> > > > > I would try to name them for you but the maps are so lackluster i dont even remember the names, they all kind of just blend into one.
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> > > I never understood why they thought this would be a good idea. Im all for the map remakes like valhalla & midship, but essentailly remaking the same map within the same MP just doesnt seem right.
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> > > > > I would try to name them for you but the maps are so lackluster i dont even remember the names, they all kind of just blend into one.
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> > > > I’ll do it for you. Truth/Regret, Rig/Molten, Plaza/Overgrowth, Torque/Stasis, Eden/Empire, Fathom/Riptide.
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> > > I never understood why they thought this would be a good idea. Im all for the map remakes like valhalla & midship, but essentailly remaking the same map within the same MP just doesnt seem right.
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> I don’t play enough to weigh in here on how they play, maybe they play great! I just think there is no need to have replicas of the same map, that is all. Unless they want to have replicas or remakes of maps like The Pit or Narrows, then id have no problem with.
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> I mainly play Btb & WZ so my only experience on these maps is in swat & super fiesta, & its gets tiresome essentially playing on the same map over & over again.
De_dust & de_dust2, de_aztec, de_aztec & de_aztec3, de_inferno & de_cbbl, cs_assault & cs_assault2.
Sharing assets isn’t bad if the map designer understands what they’re doing. De_dust2 could probably go down as the #1 multiplayer shooter map in history, and it shares probably around 80% of its sandbox with de_dust
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> > > > > > But i am pretty biased towards H3 MM maps, those are the gold standard for me. These maps fail in comparrison. A lot of them are just copy cats of another MM map in H5, just a different skin… Not sure who thought that would be a good idea.
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> > > > > > But i am pretty biased towards H3 MM maps, those are the gold standard for me. These maps fail in comparrison. A lot of them are just copy cats of another MM map in H5, just a different skin… Not sure who thought that would be a good idea.
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> > > > I never understood why they thought this would be a good idea. Im all for the map remakes like valhalla & midship, but essentailly remaking the same map within the same MP just doesnt seem right.
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> > > > Well im glad it wasnt just me who noticed, i thought i was going crazy seeing doubles lol.
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> > > Just because those maps share assets between each other, doesn’t mean they play even remotely the same.
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> > I don’t play enough to weigh in here on how they play, maybe they play great! I just think there is no need to have replicas of the same map, that is all. Unless they want to have replicas or remakes of maps like The Pit or Narrows, then id have no problem with.
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> Sharing assets isn’t bad if the map designer understands what they’re doing. De_dust2 could probably go down as the #1 multiplayer shooter map in history, and it shares probably around 80% of its sandbox with de_dust
I am all for maps sharing same assets, but it would have to be a rare case. For starters that map would have to be play really well in its original state & well liked by the community.
Example: If The Pit got altered a bit and thrown into MP with a new skin, id be fine with that since its a dynamite map to begin with & im sure a reskin would be amazing too.
Its hard to defend that a lot of these maps aren’t reskins of each other though, even if they are altered a little here & there. This should never of been done.
Idk what it is, but not 1 arena map jumps off the page to me. Maybe its just me.
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> If Tyrant and Coliseum are reskins of each other, they did a much better job of not making it super-noticeable, hence why I didn’t list them. Can’t say the same for the other maps, where, at least to me, they are clear and obvious reskins of each other.
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> > > > I’ll do it for you. Truth/Regret, Rig/Molten, Plaza/Overgrowth, Torque/Stasis, Eden/Empire, Fathom/Riptide.
They have very similar layout and map flow, and both, obviously, are Forerunner themed. They’re close enough to the same map as makes no difference, apart from the sky boxes. And like you, no one really seems to notice. But Fathom and Riptide, which are not layed out the same at all, get called reskins because they use similar (though different) sky boxes. My point is that, with the possible exception of Empire and Eden, these map pairs take a common aesthetic and stretch it completely different directions, while also making major changes to layout. Calling them reskins is like looking at a Guttenburg Bible and a Phone Book and saying they’re the same because they’re both bound paper. People are looking, they’re just not seeing.