I want to share a few thoughts.
Suppose the next Halo game returns to a completely classic style. Classic look, classic gameplay … What will it feel like for fans like me who have joined the Halo franchise when 343 took over? Will it feel unfamiliar, just how modern Halo feels unfamiliar to classic fans? Granted, I wouldn’t mind playing a game that resembles classic Halo, but I fear that something will feel ‘off’ when most of my memories of Halo are with the current style of Halo.
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> I want to share a few thoughts.
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> Suppose the next Halo game returns to a completely classic style. Classic look, classic gameplay … What will it feel like for fans like me who have joined the Halo franchise when 343 took over? Will it feel unfamiliar, just how modern Halo feels unfamiliar to classic fans? Granted, I wouldn’t mind playing a game that resembles classic Halo, but I fear that something will feel ‘off’ when most of my memories of Halo are with the current style of Halo.
If we get a classic halo game which I really doubt 343 will not do sadly.Some have said 343 could do classic halo in a spinoff like Reach) but no signs from 343 that the next Halo title will be classic cause sadly 343 started the trend with"modern Halo" under their" Control of Halo" starting with Halo 4 and what Bungie did w reach started it but that was Bungies last halo game so they thought lets do something different.Modern fans will not like classic halo maybe while classic fans will like it/think its too late for Halo.Neither side can be fully happy at this point I think.Yes if 343 continued the classic halo trend with Halo 4 and into Halo 5 maybe.As much as some in the community want classic halo cause thats what made halo unique and great separate from Cod,unless 343 specifically says so I doubt it.The more mechanics 343 add the more Halo will be less recognizable as Halo and more of a generic FPS game w mechanics from other games to satisfy a diff audience.
This is where classic Halo fans get to have their revenge and say ‘adapt’.
I don’t see where it would be a big issue. Classic fans had to adjust to the new Halo starting with Reach and the newer fans will do the same in H6.
I mean they are kind of destined to have the same fate even if 343 doesn’t do that. I mean eventually Nu-Halo is going to become ‘outdated’ and replaced with Nu-Nu-Halo chasing whatever the new ‘standard’ in the genre is.
Are all those people who love Halo exactly as it is now just going to accept it getting thrown in the dumpster in place of whatever people ‘expect’ to be in a shooter in 20XX? Or is 343 so in tune to there tastes that no matter what they do the remaining fans will except it. I suppose if that was the case I could only envy people like that who have a developer who manages to caters to their exact tastes every time. It will certainly be interesting to the reaction the next paradigm shift in Halo’s design from the people who are fans of what it is now.
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> I mean they are kind of destined to have the same fate even if 343 doesn’t do that. I mean eventually Nu-Halo is going to become ‘outdated’ and replaced with Nu-Nu-Halo chasing whatever the new ‘standard’ in the genre is.
What’s scary is there will eventually be kids playing Halo who were born when Reach and H4 came out. We’re already getting into H3 newborn territory. Eventually the original Halos will just be an afterthought that only a small bunch will remember playing.
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> > I mean they are kind of destined to have the same fate even if 343 doesn’t do that. I mean eventually Nu-Halo is going to become ‘outdated’ and replaced with Nu-Nu-Halo chasing whatever the new ‘standard’ in the genre is.
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> What’s scary is there will eventually be kids playing Halo who were born when Reach and H4 came out. We’re already getting into H3 newborn territory. Eventually the original Halos will just be an afterthought that only a small bunch will remember playing.
That’s the way it is with anything. It’s not scary; it’s just how time works. The only way you’d prevent that from happening is by stopping new children from being born or by getting a law passed that requires the history of video games to be taught in elementary schools.
I know that. It’s just scary that eventually the people that experienced the original Halos and knew what they were will be getting smaller and smaller. I just hope that people will remember them and their legacy will live on in some way or another and won’t be forgotten.
I think there should be a combination of both, but with more classic style than new. I would like to think that new fans can come to appreciate what classic Halo has to offer, but, ultimately, it will be impossible to please everyone. I just disagree with the decision to revert entirely to this new style. The reason Halo rose to such prominence in the first place is because of what it used to be.
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> I know that. It’s just scary that eventually the people that experienced the original Halos and knew what they were will be getting smaller and smaller. I just hope that people will remember them and their legacy will live on in some way or another and won’t be forgotten.
Look at Mario. Look at Zelda. Hell, look at Pong. People remember the classics.
Next week, a new Sonic game is coming out that goes back to the classic 2D side-scrolling format. The North remembers.
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> Suppose the next Halo game returns to a completely classic style. Classic look, classic gameplay … What will it feel like for fans like me who have joined the Halo franchise when 343 took over?
The change in game mechanics between Halo 4 and Halo 5 was just as drastic as the change from Halo 5 to “classic Halo” would be. So if you started with Halo 4 and then managed to adapt to Halo 5, you’ll be fine.
More mechanics?
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Eu não problema na diferença pois eu evolui com os jogos
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> > What’s scary is there will eventually be kids playing Halo who were born when Reach and H4 came out. We’re already getting into H3 newborn territory. Eventually the original Halos will just be an afterthought that only a small bunch will remember playing.
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> That’s the way it is with anything. It’s not scary; it’s just how time works. The only way you’d prevent that from happening is by stopping new children from being born or by getting a law passed that requires the history of video games to be taught in elementary schools.
I like this idea.
Trust me dude if H6 has the classic feeling you will love it besides halo is what it is because the classic halo titles not the new ones
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Here’s the hard truth:
The number of people who enjoy 343 halo games exclusively or more so than Bungie halo games is small, very small… in fact, it is so small that if everybody else left the franchise and only you remained, it would kill Halo.
If Halo dies, it won’t be because the old fans have left the game because we didn’t like it. It will be because 343 pushed them away by giving them something that they didn’t like. Halo’s in a death spiral, and the remnant of Bungie’s halo fanbase (i.e. The million square of people that made Halo a success) grows smaller and smaller every year and 343 can’t replace that with newer fans because they can’t generate enough of you. These newer halo games don’t appeal to anyone. By the way, I’ll bet a huge number of 343 fans will end up staying snd loving the classic style.
Before 343 took over, Halo had millions of players online at once and millions more in its fanbase.Compare that to the mere thousands we play Halo now. Everybody else has left Halo because they don’t like the new halo games. If you like the new halo games, that’s awesome, but most of us don’t and our opinions ultimately matter more (or it should matter more to 343) because we are the vast majority and ultimately determine Halo’s success, you don’t and can’t and never will. It’s a hard truth, but it’s the truth nonetheless. I don’t mean to dismiss your opinion, I embrace other people’s opinions. You like Halo 4? awesome! You like halo 5? Awesome! You even like Halo 5’s story and halo 4’s multiplayer? Great! But you have to understand that, after a while, once Us old school halo fans, who are sick and tired of purchasing something we have repeatedly said we don’t want (the new halo games), have had enough, than enough of us are going to leave to the point that it will inevitably kill Halo for good. Nobody’s going to want to waste more time and more money to make a halo game if it doesn’t makes enough money when they can make an even better, more successful game like Gears 5 or the next Tomb Raider game. There isnt enough people that like the newer halo games to keep it alive, this is a fact.
Now, let’s say Halo 6 ends up being the classic halo game we’ve been waiting for since Halo 6, and let’s say this ends up push the entire 343 fanbase away (the people who prefer 343 to Bungie, and I mean every single person. Not a single one of you remains). It’s unlikely, but let’s just assume. Ultimately, there is still a vastly larger number of people who prefer the old halo games and dislike the newer games. The old Halo formula is a proven success three times over and money-making machine that, if used, will bring back hundreds of thousands of old fans back (obviously, there will be some who don’t make the return, but there will be many who do). It is highly unlikely a classic halo game and a true successor to Halo 3 we’ll be received anything less that good. And ultimately, for every 343 fan, there’s a thousand more old school halo fans. If you all leave, Halo will succeed without you. In other words, Halo doesn’t needs you to succeed (this is a harsh truth, but a truth nonetheless). Halo DOES need the old fans to succeed. If WE leave, Halo dies and this is a truth as well. The halo game that you like and want can’t survive in today’s gaming market.
The title of this forum is “New fans will have the same fate as classic players” and you are absolutely right! If Halo dies, all will be affected. However, the difference between new fans and classic fan style is that 343 has already taken Halo away from us classic fans. To us, Halo’s been dead. For you, Halo dies when the franchise actually ceases all production. It’ll really suck for you (And it is inevitable!), but for us, who have already experienced something similar to the slow, agonizing death of a franchise we once love, we will have already moved on (or have started to move on). But that’s the thing, I DON’T want halo to die!! Therefore, Halo has to go back to being classical Halo!
I’m not here to tell you that you are wrong for liking Halo 4 or that halo 4’s trash and you suck and other stupid garbage like that because ultimately, it’s your opinion and your opinion is great! You should be open about your opinions; say “I like Halo 4!” loud and proud and clear for all to hear because diversity matters! You should not be censored for your opinions just because its unpopular because that is wrong (Although, those who dislike 343, Halo 4, and Halo 5 ARE censored by the moderators on the Halo waypoint forums) But if 343 catered to what you wanted over what we wanted (And let’s be honest, our wants contradict each other. Only one can exist.), the next Halo game would not succeed and that’s why its vital that 343 bring back the classic halo formula.
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> I’m not here’s tell you you are wrong for liking Halo 4 or that halo 4’s trash and you suck and other stupid garbage like that because ultimately, it’s your opinion and your opinion is great! You should be open about your opinions; say “I like Halo 4!” loud and proud and clear for all to hear because diversity matters! You should not be censored for your opinions just because its unpopular because that is wrong (Although, those who dislike 343, Halo 4, and Halo 5 ARE censored by the moderators on the Halo waypoint forums) But if 343 catered to what you wanted over what we wanted (And let’s be honest, our wants contradict each other. Only one can exist.), the next Halo game would not succeed and that’s why its vital that 343 bring back the classic halo formula.
Please give one example of mods censoring opinions that doesn’t involve breaking the rules or being a redundant thread.
Also Halo never had millions of players online at once. Overall yes but at once it was slightly less than a million. (Your argument still sort of applies though)
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> To us, Halo’s been dead.
Oh, for the love of GOD, don’t -Yoinking- generalize the entire population, ok? To a lot of people, Halo is not dead. It’s still there, just in a percieved (note the significance of the percieved there) lessened state than it was, say 10 years ago. Just because you and perhaps some other people view the state of the franchise like this does not mean that everybody views it like that, even old Bungie fans, so just stop.
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> > > I mean they are kind of destined to have the same fate even if 343 doesn’t do that. I mean eventually Nu-Halo is going to become ‘outdated’ and replaced with Nu-Nu-Halo chasing whatever the new ‘standard’ in the genre is.
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> > What’s scary is there will eventually be kids playing Halo who were born when Reach and H4 came out. We’re already getting into H3 newborn territory. Eventually the original Halos will just be an afterthought that only a small bunch will remember playing.
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> That’s the way it is with anything. It’s not scary; it’s just how time works. The only way you’d prevent that from happening is by stopping new children from being born or by getting a law passed that requires the history of video games to be taught in elementary schools.
That would be interesting to do but I don’t know if everyone would agree to make it as a law. Because there is people who often are against video games in general.
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> Here’s the hard truth:
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> The number of people who enjoy 343 halo games exclusively or more so than Bungie halo games is small, very small… in fact, it is so small that if everybody else left the franchise and only you remained, it would kill Halo.
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> If Halo dies, it won’t be because the old fans have left the game because we didn’t like it. It will be because 343 pushed them away by giving them something that they didn’t like. Halo’s in a death spiral, and the remnant of Bungie’s halo fanbase (i.e. The million square of people that made Halo a success) grows smaller and smaller every year and 343 can’t replace that with newer fans because they can’t generate enough of you. These newer halo games don’t appeal to anyone. By the way, I’ll bet a huge number of 343 fans will end up staying snd loving the classic style.
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> Before 343 took over, Halo had millions of players online at once and millions more in its fanbase.Compare that to the mere thousands we play Halo now. Everybody else has left Halo because they don’t like the new halo games. If you like the new halo games, that’s awesome, but most of us don’t and our opinions ultimately matter more (or it should matter more to 343) because we are the vast majority and ultimately determine Halo’s success, you don’t and can’t and never will. It’s a hard truth, but it’s the truth nonetheless. I don’t mean to dismiss your opinion, I embrace other people’s opinions. You like Halo 4? awesome! You like halo 5? Awesome! You even like Halo 5’s story and halo 4’s multiplayer? Great! But you have to understand that, after a while, once Us old school halo fans, who are sick and tired of purchasing something we have repeatedly said we don’t want (the new halo games), have had enough, than enough of us are going to leave to the point that it will inevitably kill Halo for good. Nobody’s going to want to waste more time and more money to make a halo game if it doesn’t makes enough money when they can make an even better, more successful game like Gears 5 or the next Tomb Raider game. There isnt enough people that like the newer halo games to keep it alive, this is a fact.
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> Now, let’s say Halo 6 ends up being the classic halo game we’ve been waiting for since Halo 6, and let’s say this ends up push the entire 343 fanbase away (the people who prefer 343 to Bungie, and I mean every single person. Not a single one of you remains). It’s unlikely, but let’s just assume. Ultimately, there is still a vastly larger number of people who prefer the old halo games and dislike the newer games. The old Halo formula is a proven success three times over and money-making machine that, if used, will bring back hundreds of thousands of old fans back (obviously, there will be some who don’t make the return, but there will be many who do). It is highly unlikely a classic halo game and a true successor to Halo 3 we’ll be received anything less that good. And ultimately, for every 343 fan, there’s a thousand more old school halo fans. If you all leave, Halo will succeed without you. In other words, Halo doesn’t needs you to succeed (this is a harsh truth, but a truth nonetheless). Halo DOES need the old fans to succeed. If WE leave, Halo dies and this is a truth as well. The halo game that you like and want can’t survive in today’s gaming market.
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> The title of this forum is “New fans will have the same fate as classic players” and you are absolutely right! If Halo dies, all will be affected. However, the difference between new fans and classic fan style is that 343 has already taken Halo away from us classic fans. To us, Halo’s been dead. For you, Halo dies when the franchise actually ceases all production. It’ll really suck for you (And it is inevitable!), but for us, who have already experienced something similar to the slow, agonizing death of a franchise we once love, we will have already moved on (or have started to move on). But that’s the thing, I DON’T want halo to die!! Therefore, Halo has to go back to being classical Halo!
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> I’m not here’s tell you you are wrong for liking Halo 4 or that halo 4’s trash and you suck and other stupid garbage like that because ultimately, it’s your opinion and your opinion is great! You should be open about your opinions; say “I like Halo 4!” loud and proud and clear for all to hear because diversity matters! You should not be censored for your opinions just because its unpopular because that is wrong (Although, those who dislike 343, Halo 4, and Halo 5 ARE censored by the moderators on the Halo waypoint forums) But if 343 catered to what you wanted over what we wanted (And let’s be honest, our wants contradict each other. Only one can exist.), the next Halo game would not succeed and that’s why its vital that 343 bring back the classic halo formula.
I get what you’re going at but overall I just don’t agree.
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> Before 343 took over, Halo had millions of players online at once
No, it never did.
Halo 2 never even had a million players within a day. Halo 3 peaked at around 400,000 concurrent players at launch, and there’s no reliable record of it ever having more. For Reach, the peak 24 hour user count was twice that of Halo 3’s at launch, so while there is no data, we can reasonably say that the concurrent player count couldn’t have been more than a million. But these are launch day numbers anyway. On a typical day a year after launch, Halo 3 would’ve drawn about 200,000 concurrent players at the peak time of day, all other Halo games would’ve fallen under that. So, you’re off by an order of magnitude.
Some of the relevant data can be found in my signature. I can provide the Halo 3 concurrent user data if you’re skeptical.
people want to assign blame to a issue that isn’t simple as old halo vs new halo, Bungie vs 343I, classic vs sprint
that said over on the Destiny forums the Destiny 2 beta was getting trashed because they slowed the TTK to about as slow as old Halo
I just can’t believe people think a new classic Halo is this magical fix and hundreds of thousands or millions of people are just waiting for it to return
I feel that if the classic halo still had that mystical allure then wouldn’t the MCC sold a ton on day one (ignoring all the issues that plagued the MCC and also note that the public awareness of the issues developed after launch), H2 and H3 and Reach and Halo 4 and Halo 5 all had midnight launches with strong day one sales while the MCC didn’t, also the return of H2 mp and the first opportunity to play HCE mp should of been enough if classic Halo was still the end all be all like so many insist.
Last thought, there was a segment of the community that was predetermined to hate 343I no matter what they did with Halo since they get fueled by trolls and antagonistic youtubers like that bdobbins guy