The supply and demand of nerfs in this game is a bit high, sooner rather than later we’re only going to be allowed one unit type(marines/grunts) who do no damage because if they did that means someone is going to lose, and people don’t lose fairly anymore… the other guy/team cheated and he/they used a overpowered unit or leader power. And when that happens we’ll all be forced to sit there and continuously suffer from Atriox demanding more power extractors due to the fact that they nerfed it to where no one can construct anymore buildings because that one guy was able to pump out a decent sized force at the 10 minute mark. And that wasn’t fair because the other dude was teching and that “rush” at the 10 minute mark was malarkey.
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Enjoy the game.
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> The supply and demand of nerfs in this game is a bit high, sooner rather than later we’re only going to be allowed one unit type(marines/grunts) who do no damage because if they did that means someone is going to lose, and people don’t lose fairly anymore… the other guy/team cheated and he/they used a overpowered unit or leader power. And when that happens we’ll all be forced to sit there and continuously suffer from Atriox demanding more power extractors due to the fact that they nerfed it to where no one can construct anymore buildings because that one guy was able to pump out a decent sized force at the 10 minute mark. And that wasn’t fair because the other dude was teching and that “rush” at the 10 minute mark was malarkey.
> …
>
> Enjoy the game.
That’s the new generation of gaming sadly, it’s too hard for people to swallow their pride and admit they lost. It’s just easier to call out the other guy and say they “cheated”. Personally I don’t play much HW2 multiplayer, just blitz, because I know I’m not good at the game. I’m just fine playing against bots on skirmish and campaign, my money feels well spent.
The hunter captain does need a nerf when he’s garrisoned. It’s almost impossible to kill him when he’s in there!
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> The supply and demand of nerfs in this game is a bit high, sooner rather than later we’re only going to be allowed one unit type(marines/grunts) who do no damage because if they did that means someone is going to lose, and people don’t lose fairly anymore… the other guy/team cheated and he/they used a overpowered unit or leader power. And when that happens we’ll all be forced to sit there and continuously suffer from Atriox demanding more power extractors due to the fact that they nerfed it to where no one can construct anymore buildings because that one guy was able to pump out a decent sized force at the 10 minute mark. And that wasn’t fair because the other dude was teching and that “rush” at the 10 minute mark was malarkey.
> …
>
> Enjoy the game.
Like someone else said that’s just how people are now. But at the end of the day if they’re so insecure that they can’t take loosing a fictional game then that’s their problem. When people do moan about things just politely challenge them. If they get rude then its because they know they haven’t got an argument.
I agree it gets excessive at a point. Sometimes calling for buffs in some areas is more necessary than nerfs in others.
That being said, the game is definitely not balanced yet. Things do still need to be buffed and nerfed to make it more playable on a competetive level. There are some units and strategies that are genuinely OP, or UP, in this version.
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> > The supply and demand of nerfs in this game is a bit high, sooner rather than later we’re only going to be allowed one unit type(marines/grunts) who do no damage because if they did that means someone is going to lose, and people don’t lose fairly anymore… the other guy/team cheated and he/they used a overpowered unit or leader power. And when that happens we’ll all be forced to sit there and continuously suffer from Atriox demanding more power extractors due to the fact that they nerfed it to where no one can construct anymore buildings because that one guy was able to pump out a decent sized force at the 10 minute mark. And that wasn’t fair because the other dude was teching and that “rush” at the 10 minute mark was malarkey.
> > …
> >
> > Enjoy the game.
>
> Like someone else said that’s just how people are now. But at the end of the day if they’re so insecure that they can’t take loosing a fictional game then that’s their problem. When people do moan about things just politely challenge them. If they get rude then its because they know they haven’t got an argument.
We are in a generation of participation awards, Gold stars for trying and snowflakes. Losing because the other guy was better is not really a thing and everyone already knows everything so offering to help is just a way of calling someone stupid. GGs are 99% of the time insults. Advice from top players is just showing off. Telling bad players they are wrong is mean. And even if an opinion is wrong and proven so with facts its not right to call them out on it because that would be taking away their right to their wrong opinion even though that wrong opinion spreads and gives way to more wrong opinions and deluded facts. Wanting a forum where only tested and proven players can give their opinions is being an elitist and we wouldn’t want correct or time proven information out there. That would make players better and having to read the right way to counter something instead of typing up why it should be nerfed is wrong. Why bother with a counter when i can cry for a nerf and not have to worry about it anymore?
THIS ladies and gentlemen is what happens when you make the good players afraid to speak due to fear of being ridiculed. And THIS is what happens when bad opinions are left out there instead of being taken down immediately to stop the infection of bad information.
Welcome to Halo Wars 2 
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> The hunter captain does need a nerf when he’s garrisoned. It’s almost impossible to kill him when he’s in there!
Agreed. I once failed to fill the garrison next to my base in 3v3 war. Never again will I make that mistake.
I just think the noobs don’t know how to upgrade their vehicles, air or infantry and that’s why they get slaughtered. Last night I was 20mins in level 3 vehicles lvl 3 infantry, my opponent still had unupgraded locusts mauraders.
If they learned how to upgrade their units maybe their armies wouldn’t get smeared across the map lol!
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> > > The supply and demand of nerfs in this game is a bit high, sooner rather than later we’re only going to be allowed one unit type(marines/grunts) who do no damage because if they did that means someone is going to lose, and people don’t lose fairly anymore… the other guy/team cheated and he/they used a overpowered unit or leader power. And when that happens we’ll all be forced to sit there and continuously suffer from Atriox demanding more power extractors due to the fact that they nerfed it to where no one can construct anymore buildings because that one guy was able to pump out a decent sized force at the 10 minute mark. And that wasn’t fair because the other dude was teching and that “rush” at the 10 minute mark was malarkey.
> > > …
> > >
> > > Enjoy the game.
> >
> > Like someone else said that’s just how people are now. But at the end of the day if they’re so insecure that they can’t take loosing a fictional game then that’s their problem. When people do moan about things just politely challenge them. If they get rude then its because they know they haven’t got an argument.
>
> We are in a generation of participation awards, Gold stars for trying and snowflakes. Losing because the other guy was better is not really a thing and everyone already knows everything so offering to help is just a way of calling someone stupid. GGs are 99% of the time insults. Advice from top players is just showing off. Telling bad players they are wrong is mean. And even if an opinion is wrong and proven so with facts its not right to call them out on it because that would be taking away their right to their wrong opinion even though that wrong opinion spreads and gives way to more wrong opinions and deluded facts. Wanting a forum where only tested and proven players can give their opinions is being an elitist and we wouldn’t want correct or time proven information out there. That would make players better and having to read the right way to counter something instead of typing up why it should be nerfed is wrong. Why bother with a counter when i can cry for a nerf and not have to worry about it anymore?
>
> THIS ladies and gentlemen is what happens when you make the good players afraid to speak due to fear of being ridiculed. And THIS is what happens when bad opinions are left out there instead of being taken down immediately to stop the infection of bad information.
>
> Welcome to Halo Wars 2
I follow your logic, and agree for the most part. However, often timei I find that the elite players are those crying about things being nerfed rather than developing counters. For instance, when forge was OP, we built 3:40 cyclops, ya know. But nonetheless, even with that counter, people want nerfs. Now, you see top players wanting Sgt Johnson buffed, 2 days into the season. I for one see pluses and minuses for all leaders. The ability to counter those strengths is what makes you good, but for some reason top players want changes, and changes often.
I often find that people want unique abilitys out of the game. This would be boring.
Also, I understand the logic of balancing for 1v1, but what’s wrong with a leader not being relevant in 1s and being a powerhouse in teams?
I agree with the OP that unless extreme advantages are there, nerfs/buffs should be few and far between. Also, 343, when we do nerf can we not kill the leaders? See forge, anders, and kinsano?
Come on, you’re blowing it out of proportion.
There has been no single nerf that hasn’t been justified. Even the nerf to Ander’s kodiaks (the problem was that she didn’t got nothing to compensate enough).
The balance in this game has been getting better and better, proof of that is how we didn’t get any balance in the last patch.
Currently I’d say aside from Banished teleport the game is at a very playable, fair and fun state.
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> Come on, you’re blowing it out of proportion.
>
> There has been no single nerf that hasn’t been justified. Even the nerf to Ander’s kodiaks (the problem was that she didn’t got nothing to compensate enough).
>
> The balance in this game has been getting better and better, proof of that is how we didn’t get any balance in the last patch.
>
> Currently I’d say aside from Banished teleport the game is at a very playable, fair and fun state.
Its only fair and fun to the uneducated. Once what the Pros know trickle down it will not be (fair and fun) Its just how it works.
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> > Come on, you’re blowing it out of proportion.
> >
> > There has been no single nerf that hasn’t been justified. Even the nerf to Ander’s kodiaks (the problem was that she didn’t got nothing to compensate enough).
> >
> > The balance in this game has been getting better and better, proof of that is how we didn’t get any balance in the last patch.
> >
> > Currently I’d say aside from Banished teleport the game is at a very playable, fair and fun state.
>
> Its only fair and fun to the uneducated. Once what the Pros know trickle down it will not be (fair and fun) Its just how it works.
Dang… I’m uneducated and I’m not a pro. You sure showed me… and some of my original post was sarcasm, thought that was apparent.
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> > Come on, you’re blowing it out of proportion.
> >
> > There has been no single nerf that hasn’t been justified. Even the nerf to Ander’s kodiaks (the problem was that she didn’t got nothing to compensate enough).
> >
> > The balance in this game has been getting better and better, proof of that is how we didn’t get any balance in the last patch.
> >
> > Currently I’d say aside from Banished teleport the game is at a very playable, fair and fun state.
>
> Its only fair and fun to the uneducated. Once what the Pros know trickle down it will not be (fair and fun) Its just how it works.
I’m not saying it’s fun and fair period, it’s ‘pretty’, what I’m saying is that the game is getting there. It’s been getting more balanced, sure there’s still underused and underpowered leaders but that’s far better than having a single leader running rampant.
I’d say it’s uneducated to suspect otherwise, but I’m not always of the opinion that those who disagree with me aren’t educated.
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> > > The supply and demand of nerfs in this game is a bit high, sooner rather than later we’re only going to be allowed one unit type(marines/grunts) who do no damage because if they did that means someone is going to lose, and people don’t lose fairly anymore… the other guy/team cheated and he/they used a overpowered unit or leader power. And when that happens we’ll all be forced to sit there and continuously suffer from Atriox demanding more power extractors due to the fact that they nerfed it to where no one can construct anymore buildings because that one guy was able to pump out a decent sized force at the 10 minute mark. And that wasn’t fair because the other dude was teching and that “rush” at the 10 minute mark was malarkey.
> > > …
> > >
> > > Enjoy the game.
> >
> > Like someone else said that’s just how people are now. But at the end of the day if they’re so insecure that they can’t take loosing a fictional game then that’s their problem. When people do moan about things just politely challenge them. If they get rude then its because they know they haven’t got an argument.
>
> We are in a generation of participation awards, Gold stars for trying and snowflakes. Losing because the other guy was better is not really a thing and everyone already knows everything so offering to help is just a way of calling someone stupid. GGs are 99% of the time insults. Advice from top players is just showing off. Telling bad players they are wrong is mean. And even if an opinion is wrong and proven so with facts its not right to call them out on it because that would be taking away their right to their wrong opinion even though that wrong opinion spreads and gives way to more wrong opinions and deluded facts. Wanting a forum where only tested and proven players can give their opinions is being an elitist and we wouldn’t want correct or time proven information out there. That would make players better and having to read the right way to counter something instead of typing up why it should be nerfed is wrong. Why bother with a counter when i can cry for a nerf and not have to worry about it anymore?
>
> THIS ladies and gentlemen is what happens when you make the good players afraid to speak due to fear of being ridiculed. And THIS is what happens when bad opinions are left out there instead of being taken down immediately to stop the infection of bad information.
>
> Welcome to Halo Wars 2
There are rules and regulations to these forums just like every single company moderated and operated forum out there. Everyone agreed to the rules here when they signed up. If people choose to not follow them, regardless of being #1 or number #1,000,000 in the world, they get treated the same. Period.
Biting your tongue can be hard and I have to walk away from forums posts on the daily as I read them and reply. But saying you can’t speak up is incorrect. If we all create solid threads, work out the problems together in a productive manner where the egos of everyone stay in check, and come to a well rounded conclusion of the various balance changes made - things go forward.
TLDR; this isn’t HW1 lazyfrog forum. Everyone know this. Waypoint is a forum where we all have to follow guidelines and respect people period. Follow the rules and have solid conversations - we are all good. Let things run wild of flame wars, calling each other out, and getting waaaaaaay off topic when discussing what’s good/bad about balance - nobody wins. It has nothing to do with snowflakes - it has everything to do with just being civil and respecting people even when you know they are wrong. Debates are good as long as they don’t get out of hand.
So let’s all debate!
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> > > > The supply and demand of nerfs in this game is a bit high, sooner rather than later we’re only going to be allowed one unit type(marines/grunts) who do no damage because if they did that means someone is going to lose, and people don’t lose fairly anymore… the other guy/team cheated and he/they used a overpowered unit or leader power. And when that happens we’ll all be forced to sit there and continuously suffer from Atriox demanding more power extractors due to the fact that they nerfed it to where no one can construct anymore buildings because that one guy was able to pump out a decent sized force at the 10 minute mark. And that wasn’t fair because the other dude was teching and that “rush” at the 10 minute mark was malarkey.
> > > > …
> > > >
> > > > Enjoy the game.
> > >
> > > Like someone else said that’s just how people are now. But at the end of the day if they’re so insecure that they can’t take loosing a fictional game then that’s their problem. When people do moan about things just politely challenge them. If they get rude then its because they know they haven’t got an argument.
> >
> > We are in a generation of participation awards, Gold stars for trying and snowflakes. Losing because the other guy was better is not really a thing and everyone already knows everything so offering to help is just a way of calling someone stupid. GGs are 99% of the time insults. Advice from top players is just showing off. Telling bad players they are wrong is mean. And even if an opinion is wrong and proven so with facts its not right to call them out on it because that would be taking away their right to their wrong opinion even though that wrong opinion spreads and gives way to more wrong opinions and deluded facts. Wanting a forum where only tested and proven players can give their opinions is being an elitist and we wouldn’t want correct or time proven information out there. That would make players better and having to read the right way to counter something instead of typing up why it should be nerfed is wrong. Why bother with a counter when i can cry for a nerf and not have to worry about it anymore?
> >
> > THIS ladies and gentlemen is what happens when you make the good players afraid to speak due to fear of being ridiculed. And THIS is what happens when bad opinions are left out there instead of being taken down immediately to stop the infection of bad information.
> >
> > Welcome to Halo Wars 2
>
> There are rules and regulations to these forums just like every single company moderated and operated forum out there. Everyone agreed to the rules here when they signed up. If people choose to not follow them, regardless of being #1 or number #1,000,000 in the world, they get treated the same. Period.
>
> Biting your tongue can be hard and I have to walk away from forums posts on the daily as I read them and reply. But saying you can’t speak up is incorrect. If we all create solid threads, work out the problems together in a productive manner where the egos of everyone stay in check, and come to a well rounded conclusion of the various balance changes made - things go forward.
>
> TLDR; this isn’t HW1 lazyfrog forum. Everyone know this. Waypoint is a forum where we all have to follow guidelines and respect people period. Follow the rules and have solid conversations - we are all good. Let things run wild of flame wars, calling each other out, and getting waaaaaaay off topic when discussing what’s good/bad about balance - nobody wins. It has nothing to do with snowflakes - it has everything to do with just being civil and respecting people even when you know they are wrong. Debates are good as long as they don’t get out of hand.
>
> So let’s all debate!
This is good stuff. Plus id like to know who’s a pro in this game and how much money they make. Id also like to know what the prerequisite for being a pro is.
With that being said I still think some nerfs have been way out of hand.
I play a game when I see somebody complaining about something being overpowered I look at their recent games played. It almost always is their most recently lost game. Did anyone like that old show called Rocky and Bullwinkle about a moose?
I am also overall enjoying the game.
I’m with Blaky when he says this game is fun, and still needs a little work. I trust that time will balance out this game, outside of a few units/abilities this game is pretty close to balanced.
In regards to how people act on the forums I think it’s a mix of low level players not wanting to learn proper strategies or counters, and high level players having too much ego to either politely correct them or deal with the toxicity of said low level players. I’ve seen several threads about balance where the discussion was conducted civilly, and it was great! Unfortunately I’ve seen just as many toxic ego ridden threads.
But such is the nature of the internet!
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> > > The supply and demand of nerfs in this game is a bit high, sooner rather than later we’re only going to be allowed one unit type(marines/grunts) who do no damage because if they did that means someone is going to lose, and people don’t lose fairly anymore… the other guy/team cheated and he/they used a overpowered unit or leader power. And when that happens we’ll all be forced to sit there and continuously suffer from Atriox demanding more power extractors due to the fact that they nerfed it to where no one can construct anymore buildings because that one guy was able to pump out a decent sized force at the 10 minute mark. And that wasn’t fair because the other dude was teching and that “rush” at the 10 minute mark was malarkey.
> > > …
> > >
> > > Enjoy the game.
> >
> > Like someone else said that’s just how people are now. But at the end of the day if they’re so insecure that they can’t take loosing a fictional game then that’s their problem. When people do moan about things just politely challenge them. If they get rude then its because they know they haven’t got an argument.
>
> We are in a generation of participation awards, Gold stars for trying and snowflakes. Losing because the other guy was better is not really a thing and everyone already knows everything so offering to help is just a way of calling someone stupid. GGs are 99% of the time insults. Advice from top players is just showing off. Telling bad players they are wrong is mean. And even if an opinion is wrong and proven so with facts its not right to call them out on it because that would be taking away their right to their wrong opinion even though that wrong opinion spreads and gives way to more wrong opinions and deluded facts. Wanting a forum where only tested and proven players can give their opinions is being an elitist and we wouldn’t want correct or time proven information out there. That would make players better and having to read the right way to counter something instead of typing up why it should be nerfed is wrong. Why bother with a counter when i can cry for a nerf and not have to worry about it anymore?
>
> THIS ladies and gentlemen is what happens when you make the good players afraid to speak due to fear of being ridiculed. And THIS is what happens when bad opinions are left out there instead of being taken down immediately to stop the infection of bad information.
>
> Welcome to Halo Wars 2
this offends me as a vegan transgender
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> > > > The supply and demand of nerfs in this game is a bit high, sooner rather than later we’re only going to be allowed one unit type(marines/grunts) who do no damage because if they did that means someone is going to lose, and people don’t lose fairly anymore… the other guy/team cheated and he/they used a overpowered unit or leader power. And when that happens we’ll all be forced to sit there and continuously suffer from Atriox demanding more power extractors due to the fact that they nerfed it to where no one can construct anymore buildings because that one guy was able to pump out a decent sized force at the 10 minute mark. And that wasn’t fair because the other dude was teching and that “rush” at the 10 minute mark was malarkey.
> > > > …
> > > > Enjoy the game.
> > >
> > > Like someone else said that’s just how people are now. But at the end of the day if they’re so insecure that they can’t take loosing a fictional game then that’s their problem. When people do moan about things just politely challenge them. If they get rude then its because they know they haven’t got an argument.
> >
> > We are in a generation of participation awards, Gold stars for trying and snowflakes. Losing because the other guy was better is not really a thing and everyone already knows everything so offering to help is just a way of calling someone stupid. GGs are 99% of the time insults. Advice from top players is just showing off. Telling bad players they are wrong is mean. And even if an opinion is wrong and proven so with facts its not right to call them out on it because that would be taking away their right to their wrong opinion even though that wrong opinion spreads and gives way to more wrong opinions and deluded facts. Wanting a forum where only tested and proven players can give their opinions is being an elitist and we wouldn’t want correct or time proven information out there. That would make players better and having to read the right way to counter something instead of typing up why it should be nerfed is wrong. Why bother with a counter when i can cry for a nerf and not have to worry about it anymore?
> > THIS ladies and gentlemen is what happens when you make the good players afraid to speak due to fear of being ridiculed. And THIS is what happens when bad opinions are left out there instead of being taken down immediately to stop the infection of bad information.
> > Welcome to Halo Wars 2
LOL