Just get rid of PC players and the issue is fixed
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Itās not irrefutableā¦ It uses a sampling of 100 players from different sized populations, using only data of those populations aiming against themselves, and then claims theyāre comparable.
To be irrefutable, youād have to compare the same percentage range of players from each population (eg. top 5% of players, middle 50%, etc). Then, youād have to use data showing their performance against the opposite input, rather than their performance against the same input. Else, the accuracy differences could be due to maneuvering dis/advantages on controller/K&M.
Regardless, I suspect there is some advantage in aiming during straight BR fights for controller (the most common engagement in ranked), just doubt it is to the same degree being purported.
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actually the best way is just shutting the god dam crossplay down.
Console player dont want to play with PC at all
we dont want the dam cheaters or just to be criticized like āaim assist is toooo strongā or what
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Theyāll probably do nothing, because the majority of Halo players are still console players and theyāre going to cater to them first and fore most. Halo is a console franchise first and foremost as well.
People are going to have to learn to cope, or ask for a system that pits only kbm players against one another.
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And platform while they are at it.
Thatās right have both input and platform. Let the players choose against what system and against what input they want to play. Period.
If you were engaging in this conversation in good faith, youād be willing to do your share of the intellectual work. Youāre not, by your own admission.
In this debate Iām engaging in good faith. Iām trying to give my thoughts as best I can, without being rude to those involved. Iām trying to be honest, and engage with others Iād hope would be honest. That doesnāt mean I have to go out and do data analysis. And, in fact, I donāt think the data allows for me to control for the variables Iāve mentioned. As I believe I said before, I think Cashew did a good job working with the data presented. I just donāt think the data gives us enough information. If Halo tracker could provide us with each players input device, not just for those set playlist, Iād perhaps be more inclined to look at the data more. Does that make sense?
The whole āburden of proofā thing is ridiculous.
No itās not. The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim.
Youāre not being āhealthily scepticalā, youāre being unhealthily sceptical and engaging in motivated reasoning to protect your worldview.
Again resorting to attacks on my person. Why must you do this? Also, what worldview am I protecting? I never said Cashew was wrong. Youāre free to find the data convincing. I donāt. It doesnāt mean I believe the contrary. I never once said that. Honestly, Iām rethinking things. I just have doubts the gap would be nearly this large. So Iām going to need a good amount of data to be convinced. If the claim were a smaller gap, Iād need less data.
I doubt any evidence would be enough to persuade you otherwise.
I told you sufficient but not necessary information that would convince me.
Did you read the part where the author says " In science, your evidence needs to come from the peer-reviewed literature". Thatās not what we have here. We have one pool of data, that looks at a limited subset of people. The situations being discussed with relation to vaccines and what not arenāt at all comparable to what weāre looking at now. And, if you were to look at the criteria Iāve asked for, youāll find these sort of things attempted to be controlled for in vaccination studies. Itās comparing apples to oranges.
Also, the situation we are talking about isnāt as critical as vaccines. My being skeptical of data suggesting such a wide accuracy gap isnāt the same as someone being skeptical about a vaccine. Iām not going to get someone sick by talking about this. Iām not going to cause the world to heat up faster like I would with ignoring data on climate change. The situation we are talking about isnāt as dire, hence it is less important that I am swayed by the data.
You did resort to personal attacks. You said I donāt assess data in an objective manner, you said I am incapable of critical thinking, youāve said Iām not informed. Youāre free to attack the points I bring up, but donāt direct your arguments towards me directly. Frankly, it doesnāt feel good. Which is why Iāve tried to avoid it with you. Again, Iām sorry if Iāve ever made a personal attack towards you. Iāve not meant to.
Iām not referring to engaging in this conversation, Iām referring to you requiring others to go to much more effort than you are willing to engage in, yourself. You have an issue, you do the work.
Theyāre the ones making the claim. Iām not. The burden of proof is on the one making the claim. I have not been convinced by the data. Itās not on me to go out and try and prove their claim. That isnāt how burden of proof works.
And by the way. I am not requiring they go out and do more work. If they donāt want to, thatās fine. I just wonāt be convinced is all.
The reality is that no one can convince you but you.
Iāve been convinced of a lot of things that have changed my world view drastically that did not come from me. The problem is the data we have no is limited. Thatās not Cashew or your fault. Itās not anyoneās fault. Halotracker doesnāt list input device statistics. We only have information about what playlists someone has been in, which is limited.
You know the method you want followed to analyse the data āproperlyā, so you do it if you genuinely want an answer to that question.
I donāt feel there is enough information on Halotracker. Perhaps 343 has more data behind the scenes than we do though. Maybe they could make a statement with information we do not posses. Honestly, one of the big issues I have, is we donāt even know if the people being looked at in the data only used one input device. Controlling for that would be huge, but it canāt be done with our resources. If 343 can, then great. Iām not asking them to. Iām not requiring anyone put out any effort. But if they wanted to, it could help settle things.
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Letās see with āLOGICā and a āSERIOUSā company, how would you balance this problem?
With INTERNAL data I would make a comparison between KB / MOUSE and AA-Controller and nerf the AA until both āinputsā have differences of 1% -3%.
Without telling anyone I would put it in a āNinja-patchā and continue checkin the Win/Lose/Death/Kill ratio in cross-play.
343 You donāt have to ASK THE FANS FOR PERMISSION to balance the "DAM " game.