1: Needle shotgun.
Needle rounds, can supercombine in vehicles.
Multiple long range shots make it superior to human shotguns.(supercombine)
2: Plasma shotgun.
Employs a short range emp effect, 3 spaces in a straight line.
And annother 1 space radius arround the target.
Disables vehices, kills 1 breaks upto 4 shields.
3: concussion shotgun.
Shorter “kill” range, but longer hit range.
Kills 1, pushes multiple targets. (Per shot)
Flips smaller vehicles, and deflect a banshee.
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> Needle shotgun.
> Shoots longer range needle rounds, that fire like a carbine.(can embed in vehicles)
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> Also could have a short range emp effect. (Variant)
I am confused… If it is a shotgun why would it fire long range needle rounds that fire like a carbine… How is that not the blood of suban? Shouldn’t a needle shotgun fire a short range blast of needles? I would love to see a needle shotgun. Also needles never had an emp effect so I wouldn’t have it do that. Variants would just give it longer range and/or more spread to cover more area.
Would be nice if we got a covie/ banished shotgun. Maybe we will see the return of the mauler, but with an upgrade.
We really don’t need a Covenant or Banished shotgun, We already have 2 shotguns in the game right now, and that’s if we don’t count the Mauler, which gives us three. Plus, the Covenant already have the Sword and Hammer as their close range weapons, giving them any sort of shotgun would be redundant and unoriginal.
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> We really don’t need a Covenant or Banished shotgun, We already have 2 shotguns in the game right now, and that’s if we don’t count the Mauler, which gives us three. Plus, the Covenant already have the Sword and Hammer as their close range weapons, giving them any sort of shotgun would be redundant and unoriginal.
I disagree a needle based shotgun would be awesome to have. The more weapons the better IMO. The weapon variety is one that drew me to Halo.
Wouldn’t that weapon be overpowered? If you have a shotgun the shots needles( since needles home in) at a long range be to much, it would somewhat like the spartan laser
Needler + Carbine = Needle Rifle or Blood of Suban.
Seriously, it can’t be a shotgun if the needles go mid range away from the user. Maybe it fires a flock of needles that supercombines the target if it’s 5 meters away or the range of a one shot kill from the shotgun.
I’m gonna called it the “Shotler”. Not very original but that’s what came out of my mind first.
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> > We really don’t need a Covenant or Banished shotgun, We already have 2 shotguns in the game right now, and that’s if we don’t count the Mauler, which gives us three. Plus, the Covenant already have the Sword and Hammer as their close range weapons, giving them any sort of shotgun would be redundant and unoriginal.
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> I disagree a needle based shotgun would be awesome to have. The more weapons the better IMO. The weapon variety is one that drew me to Halo.
Sure, it would be awesome. But really, what purpose does a Needle Shotgun serve that isn’t covered by other weapons? How would it stand out compared to the other shotguns? It would be fine if the Covenant didn’t already have close ranged weapons, but they do. Plus, the Covenant have a certain design philosophy with their close ranged weapons that would be somewhat deformed by the addition of a shotgun. When the Covenant are up close, they don’t use a projectile or energy weapon to kill you, they use a sword and their bare hands. It’s more elegant than a Shotgu, and helps the Covenant stand out. If Covenant weapons were just purple versions of human weapons, then what makes the Covenant interesting?
As for the Brutes, they have hammers and blades on all of their weapons. They don’t need shotguns in close range, because they can just smash you with their fists. They don’t need close ranged weapons, because they are their own close ranged weapons, and every weapon can accentuate that role. Again, it just doesn’t seem like it fits the Brute philosophy either.
You like the sheer amount of weapons in Halo, and I understand and respect that. I like variety as well, but I think that quality is more important than quantity. I would rather have 15 weapons that are very different from each other and serve different roles rather than a sandbox with 40 weapons that’s filled with multiple weapons that are pretty much the same aside from their look.
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> > > We really don’t need a Covenant or Banished shotgun, We already have 2 shotguns in the game right now, and that’s if we don’t count the Mauler, which gives us three. Plus, the Covenant already have the Sword and Hammer as their close range weapons, giving them any sort of shotgun would be redundant and unoriginal.
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> > I disagree a needle based shotgun would be awesome to have. The more weapons the better IMO. The weapon variety is one that drew me to Halo.
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> Sure, it would be awesome. But really, what purpose does a Needle Shotgun serve that isn’t covered by other weapons? How would it stand out compared to the other shotguns? It would be fine if the Covenant didn’t already have close ranged weapons, but they do. Plus, the Covenant have a certain design philosophy with their close ranged weapons that would be somewhat deformed by the addition of a shotgun. When the Covenant are up close, they don’t use a projectile or energy weapon to kill you, they use a sword and their bare hands. It’s more elegant than a Shotgu, and helps the Covenant stand out. If Covenant weapons were just purple versions of human weapons, then what makes the Covenant interesting?
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> As for the Brutes, they have hammers and blades on all of their weapons. They don’t need shotguns in close range, because they can just smash you with their fists. They don’t need close ranged weapons, because they are their own close ranged weapons, and every weapon can accentuate that role. Again, it just doesn’t seem like it fits the Brute philosophy either.
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> You like the sheer amount of weapons in Halo, and I understand and respect that. I like variety as well, but I think that quality is more important than quantity. I would rather have 15 weapons that are very different from each other and serve different roles rather than a sandbox with 40 weapons that’s filled with multiple weapons that are pretty much the same aside from their look.
How would it stand out among other shotguns… because it would shoot needles and your opponent blow up in an awesome super combine explosion. And just because they have other close range weapons doesn’t mean they can’t have another. If that is the case they should delete a lot of weapons. A needle shot gun is plenty different from a unsc shot gun and even the sword and hammer. Let’s not act as if there hasn’t been redundant weapons before. Why have a covie plasma rifle and brute plasma rifle with the only difference being color? Why have a beam rifle and the H2 beam rifle? Why have two different rocket launchers? To me a needle shotgun stands out way more than any of them.
My idea is have a shotgun that shoots 10 needles a shot. They would move as fast as the normal needler shoots and would take a second to supercombine. So basically the mechanics of a needler but in a shotgun format.
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> My idea is have a shotgun that shoots 10 needles a shot. They would move as fast as the normal needler shoots and would take a second to supercombine. So basically the mechanics of a needler but in a shotgun format.
It shouldn’t have the range of a needler though. It should have a range similar to the shotgun
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> > My idea is have a shotgun that shoots 10 needles a shot. They would move as fast as the normal needler shoots and would take a second to supercombine. So basically the mechanics of a needler but in a shotgun format.
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> It shouldn’t have the range of a needler though. It should have a range similar to the shotgun
I would want it to be close to mid range. The needles move slow and don’t track so you’d have to lead your shots.
I think it having an employee effect would be too op
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> > > > We really don’t need a Covenant or Banished shotgun, We already have 2 shotguns in the game right now, and that’s if we don’t count the Mauler, which gives us three. Plus, the Covenant already have the Sword and Hammer as their close range weapons, giving them any sort of shotgun would be redundant and unoriginal.
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> > > I disagree a needle based shotgun would be awesome to have. The more weapons the better IMO. The weapon variety is one that drew me to Halo.
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> > Sure, it would be awesome. But really, what purpose does a Needle Shotgun serve that isn’t covered by other weapons? How would it stand out compared to the other shotguns? It would be fine if the Covenant didn’t already have close ranged weapons, but they do. Plus, the Covenant have a certain design philosophy with their close ranged weapons that would be somewhat deformed by the addition of a shotgun. When the Covenant are up close, they don’t use a projectile or energy weapon to kill you, they use a sword and their bare hands. It’s more elegant than a Shotgu, and helps the Covenant stand out. If Covenant weapons were just purple versions of human weapons, then what makes the Covenant interesting?
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> > As for the Brutes, they have hammers and blades on all of their weapons. They don’t need shotguns in close range, because they can just smash you with their fists. They don’t need close ranged weapons, because they are their own close ranged weapons, and every weapon can accentuate that role. Again, it just doesn’t seem like it fits the Brute philosophy either.
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> > You like the sheer amount of weapons in Halo, and I understand and respect that. I like variety as well, but I think that quality is more important than quantity. I would rather have 15 weapons that are very different from each other and serve different roles rather than a sandbox with 40 weapons that’s filled with multiple weapons that are pretty much the same aside from their look.
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> How would it stand out among other shotguns… because it would shoot needles and your opponent blow up in an awesome super combine explosion. And just because they have other close range weapons doesn’t mean they can’t have another. If that is the case they should delete a lot of weapons. A needle shot gun is plenty different from a unsc shot gun and even the sword and hammer. Let’s not act as if there hasn’t been redundant weapons before. Why have a covie plasma rifle and brute plasma rifle with the only difference being color? Why have a beam rifle and the H2 beam rifle? Why have two different rocket launchers? To me a needle shotgun stands out way more than any of them.
H2BPR had more damage but it overheated faster while the sangheili H2 plasma rifle had less damage then the brute one it also overheated slower
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> > > > We really don’t need a Covenant or Banished shotgun, We already have 2 shotguns in the game right now, and that’s if we don’t count the Mauler, which gives us three. Plus, the Covenant already have the Sword and Hammer as their close range weapons, giving them any sort of shotgun would be redundant and unoriginal.
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> > > I disagree a needle based shotgun would be awesome to have. The more weapons the better IMO. The weapon variety is one that drew me to Halo.
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> > Sure, it would be awesome. But really, what purpose does a Needle Shotgun serve that isn’t covered by other weapons? How would it stand out compared to the other shotguns? It would be fine if the Covenant didn’t already have close ranged weapons, but they do. Plus, the Covenant have a certain design philosophy with their close ranged weapons that would be somewhat deformed by the addition of a shotgun. When the Covenant are up close, they don’t use a projectile or energy weapon to kill you, they use a sword and their bare hands. It’s more elegant than a Shotgu, and helps the Covenant stand out. If Covenant weapons were just purple versions of human weapons, then what makes the Covenant interesting?
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> > As for the Brutes, they have hammers and blades on all of their weapons. They don’t need shotguns in close range, because they can just smash you with their fists. They don’t need close ranged weapons, because they are their own close ranged weapons, and every weapon can accentuate that role. Again, it just doesn’t seem like it fits the Brute philosophy either.
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> > You like the sheer amount of weapons in Halo, and I understand and respect that. I like variety as well, but I think that quality is more important than quantity. I would rather have 15 weapons that are very different from each other and serve different roles rather than a sandbox with 40 weapons that’s filled with multiple weapons that are pretty much the same aside from their look.
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> How would it stand out among other shotguns… because it would shoot needles and your opponent blow up in an awesome super combine explosion. And just because they have other close range weapons doesn’t mean they can’t have another. If that is the case they should delete a lot of weapons. A needle shot gun is plenty different from a unsc shot gun and even the sword and hammer. Let’s not act as if there hasn’t been redundant weapons before. Why have a covie plasma rifle and brute plasma rifle with the only difference being color? Why have a beam rifle and the H2 beam rifle? Why have two different rocket launchers? To me a needle shotgun stands out way more than any of them.
You’re right, having both a Brute Plasma Rifle and regular Plasma Rifle in Halo 2 was kind of redundant, albeit cool. To be fair, the Brute Plasma Rifle did behave differently, but not enough to really warrant being in the sandbox alongside the regular one. That’s why it was replaced by the Spiker in Halo 3 and Reach. And the new Rocket Launcher? Terrible, there’s no reason to have it at all, especially since the SPNKR is a part of the game too. And I cannot even fathom why 343i brought in the Halo 2 Beam Rifle, when it’s exactly the same as the new one… And all of the “fancy” scopes on loadout weapons, like the hybrid scope and the Forerunner one? What’s the point of them? So yeah, there have been a lot of redundant weapons, especially in Halo 5, which waters down the sandbox as a whole.
Halo 1 had the best sandbox, because every weapon in the game had a purpose and was unique. Halo Reach was pretty great as well, because the Covenant “equivalents” of UNSC weapons still were fairly different. The Focus Rifle was like a long-ranged Sentinel Beam instead of a traditional sniper. The Needle Rifle could be shot in automatic mode. The Plasma Launcher required charging and shot tracking rounds, which differentiated it from the Rocket Launcher. Every weapon was different.
So yeah, a Needler Shotgun might shoot fancy needles and make enemies explode, but how is it functionally different than the other two shotguns we already have in the game? If it has the same effective range and kills in one shot, then what’s the point of it? Just like the two Rocket Launchers and two Beam Rifles in Halo 5, it’s having more weapons for the sake of having more weapons instead of creating a meaningful addition to the sandbox.
We already have 2 shotguns and like 7 variants. Why not a needle crossbow to fit with the Covenant’s use of “old” weapons? I mean, they use swords, hammers, maces, and polearms.
Or just a normal crossbow if it is Brute based.
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> > > > > We really don’t need a Covenant or Banished shotgun, We already have 2 shotguns in the game right now, and that’s if we don’t count the Mauler, which gives us three. Plus, the Covenant already have the Sword and Hammer as their close range weapons, giving them any sort of shotgun would be redundant and unoriginal.
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> > > > I disagree a needle based shotgun would be awesome to have. The more weapons the better IMO. The weapon variety is one that drew me to Halo.
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> > > Sure, it would be awesome. But really, what purpose does a Needle Shotgun serve that isn’t covered by other weapons? How would it stand out compared to the other shotguns? It would be fine if the Covenant didn’t already have close ranged weapons, but they do. Plus, the Covenant have a certain design philosophy with their close ranged weapons that would be somewhat deformed by the addition of a shotgun. When the Covenant are up close, they don’t use a projectile or energy weapon to kill you, they use a sword and their bare hands. It’s more elegant than a Shotgu, and helps the Covenant stand out. If Covenant weapons were just purple versions of human weapons, then what makes the Covenant interesting?
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> > > As for the Brutes, they have hammers and blades on all of their weapons. They don’t need shotguns in close range, because they can just smash you with their fists. They don’t need close ranged weapons, because they are their own close ranged weapons, and every weapon can accentuate that role. Again, it just doesn’t seem like it fits the Brute philosophy either.
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> > > You like the sheer amount of weapons in Halo, and I understand and respect that. I like variety as well, but I think that quality is more important than quantity. I would rather have 15 weapons that are very different from each other and serve different roles rather than a sandbox with 40 weapons that’s filled with multiple weapons that are pretty much the same aside from their look.
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> > How would it stand out among other shotguns… because it would shoot needles and your opponent blow up in an awesome super combine explosion. And just because they have other close range weapons doesn’t mean they can’t have another. If that is the case they should delete a lot of weapons. A needle shot gun is plenty different from a unsc shot gun and even the sword and hammer. Let’s not act as if there hasn’t been redundant weapons before. Why have a covie plasma rifle and brute plasma rifle with the only difference being color? Why have a beam rifle and the H2 beam rifle? Why have two different rocket launchers? To me a needle shotgun stands out way more than any of them.
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> You’re right, having both a Brute Plasma Rifle and regular Plasma Rifle in Halo 2 was kind of redundant, albeit cool. To be fair, the Brute Plasma Rifle did behave differently, but not enough to really warrant being in the sandbox alongside the regular one. That’s why it was replaced by the Spiker in Halo 3 and Reach. And the new Rocket Launcher? Terrible, there’s no reason to have it at all, especially since the SPNKR is a part of the game too. And I cannot even fathom why 343i brought in the Halo 2 Beam Rifle, when it’s exactly the same as the new one… And all of the “fancy” scopes on loadout weapons, like the hybrid scope and the Forerunner one? What’s the point of them? So yeah, there have been a lot of redundant weapons, especially in Halo 5, which waters down the sandbox as a whole.
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> Halo 1 had the best sandbox, because every weapon in the game had a purpose and was unique. Halo Reach was pretty great as well, because the Covenant “equivalents” of UNSC weapons still were fairly different. The Focus Rifle was like a long-ranged Sentinel Beam instead of a traditional sniper. The Needle Rifle could be shot in automatic mode. The Plasma Launcher required charging and shot tracking rounds, which differentiated it from the Rocket Launcher. Every weapon was different.
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> So yeah, a Needler Shotgun might shoot fancy needles and make enemies explode, but how is it functionally different than the other two shotguns we already have in the game? If it has the same effective range and kills in one shot, then what’s the point of it? Just like the two Rocket Launchers and two Beam Rifles in Halo 5, it’s having more weapons for the sake of having more weapons instead of creating a meaningful addition to the sandbox.
Well they could make it function a bit different, give it slightly more range and maybe have them very slightly track your target if you fire while “smart linked” in…Or just one of the two.
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> We already have 2 shotguns and like 7 variants. Why not a needle crossbow to fit with the Covenant’s use of “old” weapons? I mean, they use swords, hammers, maces, and polearms.
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> Or just a normal crossbow if it is Brute based.
Ugh no cross bows… Also if any species used a cross bow I feel it would be the Brutes… Like Chewbacca and the wokies… Haha
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> > We already have 2 shotguns and like 7 variants. Why not a needle crossbow to fit with the Covenant’s use of “old” weapons? I mean, they use swords, hammers, maces, and polearms.
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> > Or just a normal crossbow if it is Brute based.
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> Ugh no cross bows… Also if any species used a cross bow I feel it would be the Brutes… Like Chewbacca and the wokies… Haha
Didn’t we have this conversation before on a different thread?
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> > > We already have 2 shotguns and like 7 variants. Why not a needle crossbow to fit with the Covenant’s use of “old” weapons? I mean, they use swords, hammers, maces, and polearms.
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> > > Or just a normal crossbow if it is Brute based.
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> > Ugh no cross bows… Also if any species used a cross bow I feel it would be the Brutes… Like Chewbacca and the wokies… Haha
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> Didn’t we have this conversation before on a different thread?
I think so.