Narrowing down the possible maps

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So what we know is that it’s not a ‘small’ map, it’s outdoors, and that it’s not Blood Gulch. We also know it likely wont be anything from Anniversary or Reach since they are both recent games.

Which leaves Halo CE, Halo 2, and Halo 3. After eliminating the above, here are the maps that are medium or large sized:

Avalanche - Remake from Sidewinder
Boarding Action
Burial Mounds
Containment
Danger Canyon
Death Island
District
High Ground
Ice Fields
Infinity
Isolation
Last Resort - Remake from Zanzibar
Longshore
Relic
Sandtrap
Sidewinder - Remade into Avalanche
Standoff
Terminal
Turf
Uplift
Valhalla
Waterworks
Zanzibar - Remade into Last Resort

Now, lets eliminate the maps that were already remade.

Boarding Action - Only really supports slayer; screaming for AA abuse
Burial Mounds
Containment
Danger Canyon
Death Island - Might possibly be too large. Think Paradiso times 2
District
High Ground
Ice Fields
Infinity - Might possibly be too large
Isolation
Longshore
Relic
Sandtrap
Standoff
Terminal
Turf
Uplift
Valhalla
Waterworks

Now let’s assume that 343i wants a versatile multi-purpose map that will support multiple gametypes for 4v4, 5v5, and 8v8, thus eliminating really large maps.

Burial Mounds - Halo 2
Containment - Halo 2
District - Halo 2
Longshore - Halo 3
Relic - Halo 2
Sandtrap - Halo 3
Standoff -Halo 3
Terminal - Halo 2
Uplift - Halo 2
Valhalla - Halo 3
Waterworks - Halo 2

The list is much more manageable now, right? Let’s eliminate the maps that are the least popular, and thus least likely to be remade.

Burial Mounds - Halo 2
Containment - Halo 2
Relic - Halo 2
Sandtrap - Halo 3
Standoff -Halo 3
Terminal - Halo 2
Uplift - Halo 2 vista
Valhalla - Halo 3
Waterworks - Halo 2

This is much better. Let’s assume that Valhalla will not be returning because of its similarity to Blood Gulch, the addition of AAs, and the need for more flag routes now that the flag cannot be dropped. Let’s also remove Standoff under similar criteria.

Burial Mounds - Halo 2
Containment - Halo 2
Relic - Halo 2
Sandtrap - Halo 3
Terminal - Halo 2
Uplift - Halo 2 vista
Waterworks - Halo 2

Now Sandtrap is the only Halo 3 map on the list. Halo 3 has not featured any remakes neither Reach nor Anniversary, which gives Sandtrap an edge. However, while it is a fan favorite among many players, it also featured something exclusive to it–the Elephants. Unless 343 plans to include Elephants or even the new Mammoths on the map, we should assume that we wont be seeing it. There is also the rare possibility that it follows the path of a forge-world map, but let’s not leave it up to obscure chance.

Burial Mounds
Containment
Relic
Terminal
Uplift
Waterworks

These remaining maps are all from Halo 2, to the exception of Uplift being from Halo 2 Vista. Let’s assume now that Uplift will not return, not only because of its exclusiveness to Halo 2 Vista (and by extension, obscurity), but also because it is the least like the others.

Burial Mounds - <mark>Link</mark>
Containment - <mark>Link</mark>
Relic - <mark>Link</mark>
Terminal - <mark>Link</mark>
Waterworks - <mark>Link</mark>

This is our final list. This is assuming 343i doesn’t do what Bungie did with Forge World, which combined Blood Gulch, Ascension, and Sanctuary into one map.

So there you have it. I’ve played every single one of these maps, so I tried to be as unbiased as possible, using precedent, deductive reasoning, and facts to narrow down potential maps. Out of the above maps, which do you think would play best in Halo 4?

EDIT - ALTERNATE LIST: It’s possible that it wont be Waterworks because Exile was said to be a combination of Blood Gulch and Waterworks (and Waterworks is technically in a cave). Frankie has also hinted at Relic making a return in the future. Also, since Halo 3 hasn’t had a remake and Elephants were in high demand, it’s also possible that mammoths might be in Halo 4 as replacements on the new Sandtrap. An alternative list is as follows:

<mark>Containment</mark>
<mark>Relic</mark>
<mark>Terminal</mark>
<mark>Sandtrap</mark>

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My best guess is Terminal. It would work quite well with Halo 4’s gameplay. It won’t be Waterworks because 343i already confirmed that there will be a sort of Waterworks/Blood Gulch hybrid.

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Very nice work there OP.

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good job

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I think Valhalla will be the remake so Red vs Blue will have a big map to have their episodes on.

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Relic would be great. It was one of my favorites from H2. IIRC it was from the Blastacular map pack? It’ll play well with 8-16 players.

I still think it’s Valhalla. Every Halo game has shipped with some sort of Blood Gulch inspired map. I also think your reasons for removing it from the list were somewhat biased. I think it will return for the very reasons you removed it from the list. Still, Relic would be nice.

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I would gladly accept any of those 5 maps but I would prefer Relic.

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Cool! That’s the list of maps I wanted remade anyways! lol

crosses fingers for Burial Mounds

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I think Sandtrap is the best bet, BECAUSE of the Mammoths, it would be a great place to put them in action and give them a reason to have them in multiplayer.

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It won’t be Valhalla or anything else from Halo 3. 343i has already stated that there will be a sort of Waterworks/Blood Gulch hybrid, so remaking a Blood Gulch reimagining would be redundant.

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A reimagination of Death Island would be worthy enough. With the inclusion of Sprint and teleporters, it isn’t as big as it seems. New tunnels could be added as well.

Edit: Ice Fields could use a reimagination to allow more vehicle variety (such as Wraiths). I love that map.

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> I think Valhalla will be the remake so Red vs Blue will have a big map to have their episodes on.

They’ve been given plenty of options already and there are forge worlds (as well as the BG bases) that they can use to rebuild their maps on.

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> I think Sandtrap is the best bet, BECAUSE of the Mammoths, it would be a great place to put them in action and give them a reason to have them in multiplayer.

Aren’t Mammoths twice the size of Elephants? That’s a pretty large player-operated vehicle…

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> > I think Sandtrap is the best bet, BECAUSE of the Mammoths, it would be a great place to put them in action and give them a reason to have them in multiplayer.
>
> Aren’t Mammoths twice the size of Elephants? That’s a pretty large player-operated vehicle…

It won’t be Sandtrap.

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I know there’s no way they would ever do this but if Burial Mounds was the remake and they put in the giant spartan glitch it would make my year.

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:confused: Not to be an -Yoink- or any thing 3 legged goat, but I like the other guy’s list, he at lest had some PC only maps in the narrowed down list.

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> > I think Sandtrap is the best bet, BECAUSE of the Mammoths, it would be a great place to put them in action and give them a reason to have them in multiplayer.
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> Aren’t Mammoths twice the size of Elephants? That’s a pretty large player-operated vehicle…

^^^
This, I highly doubt we’ll see Mammoths in multiplayer. They can hold a freakin’ Warthog in their underbellies.

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Here are my thoughts:

The only info we have is from Frankie’s twitter post:

“Halo 4 only includes one map remake. I know what it is. It is good. It will cause the least drama of any new thing. It is NOT small.”

Personally I think it will most likely be a Halo 3 map. Here are my reasons why:

  • Halo 2 featured remakes from Halo 1, e.g. Coagulation
  • Halo 3 featured remakes from Halo 2, e.g. Last Resort
  • Reach featured remakes from Halo 2, e.g. Reflection
  • CEA featured remakes from both Halo 1 and Halo 2

So far, NOT ONE Halo 3 map has been remade for a new game, and since Frankie said that there will only be ONE remake in Halo 4, I think it is safe to say that it will be a Halo 3 map. Since he also said that it will be a large map, we therefore have four options:

  • Avalanche (not likely since it is a remake of Sidewinder)
  • Valhalla (possible but not likely since it has a similar look and feel to Blood Gulch and general Forge World pallette)
  • Standoff (possible, but maybe not big enough)
  • Sandtrap

I would say Sandtrap is the most likely candidate. It is a HUGE map, a fan favourite, and in my opinion would suit the addition of armor abilities and sprint really well.

Who knows. I’m excited to see, but my money is definitely on Sandtrap.

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> :confused: Not to be an -Yoink!- or any thing 3 legged goat, but I like the other guy’s list, he at lest had some PC only maps in the narrowed down list.

You’re welcome to disagree with the choices, but I walked through the process of elimination I used.

This isn’t about picking favorites, it’s about being realistic and using deductive reasoning.

My favorite PC map is Ice Fields, but as you will see I eliminated it from the list under the criteria of it not really being a multi-purpose map. It wouldn’t make sense for 343 to remake only one map if it could only be used in the BTB playlist.

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Either Terminal or Containment.

Both are big, feature interactive parts that influence the way the maps play.
Both feature multiple routes between bases.
Both feature vertical levels, which could work well with some AA’s

And: both are awesome!