Does Naomi hate Dr. Halsey?
My memory of Mortal Dictata is hazy, but yeah I think she’s a part of the Halsey Hater’s Club.
It sure seemed like by the end of MD, she was getting there, yeah. Sentzke, Osman and BB pushed her in that direction a bit.
I would say justifiably so though, ya know considering she was yanked away from her loved ones and turned into an instrument of death…
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> My memory of Mortal Dictata is hazy, but yeah I think she’s a part of the Halsey Hater’s Club.
I wouldn’t put her in the hater’s club, but I’d say her…faith in halsey was shaken? Osman on the other hand also seemed to slightly tone it down by the end of the book too.
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> I would say justifiably so though, ya know considering she was yanked away from her loved ones and turned into an instrument of death…
You’d think some would eventually question the horror of that beyond just blaming a single person, however.
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> > I would say justifiably so though, ya know considering she was yanked away from her loved ones and turned into an instrument of death…
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Exactly.
@Dr Halsey: Sure, but you go for what you know and Halsey was front and centre of the program, its ‘public face’ so to speak and one that would be fixated on, as opposed to Fat Bob, who is also culpable, that balanced the books and worked out logistics. The fact others deserve scorn doesn’t mean Halsey wouldn’t/shouldn’t get it.
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> @Dr Halsey: Sure, but you go for what you know and Halsey was front and centre of the program, its ‘public face’ so to speak and one that would be fixated on, as opposed to Fat Bob, who is also culpable, that balanced the books and worked out logistics. The fact others deserve scorn doesn’t mean Halsey wouldn’t/shouldn’t get it.
Its only the public face because ONI tried to make her one. Its not like when the news of the S-II’s went public they talked about Halsey at all,
The thing is, if the CIA had a super soldier program that had questionable ethics, and it got exposed, the hate from everyone (including internally in the CIA) would not be falling on the head of the project, it’d be falling on the people who authorized it in the first place.
Not to get real world politcsy, but look at the whole privacy scare that happened after Edward Snowden revealed info on things. People weren’t calling for the head of who was in charge of the actual surveillance, I dont think a name was even given, people were mad at the government for authorizing it.
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> @Dr Halsey: Sure, but you go for what you know and Halsey was front and centre of the program, its ‘public face’ so to speak and one that would be fixated on, as opposed to Fat Bob, who is also culpable, that balanced the books and worked out logistics. The fact others deserve scorn doesn’t mean Halsey wouldn’t/shouldn’t get it.
Yet people were able to blame more people than just Mengele for the sick experiments done in concentration camps in -Yoink!- Germany. If 343 wants to make that connection, as they have, they can do better than just have their characters blame solely Halsey. I’m not saying she shouldn’t have fingers pointed at her, but it isn’t even realistic she’d be the only being racked over the coals.
That was possibly the most aggravating part of Traviss’ Halsey hate, how narrowly focused it was solely on Halsey herself and no one else. We’ve got Parangosky and Mendez on their high horse throwing her under the bus, when they had their hands as deeply in the whole program as she did.
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> That was possibly the most aggravating part of Traviss’ Halsey hate, how narrowly focused it was solely on Halsey herself and no one else. We’ve got Parangosky and Mendez on their high horse throwing her under the bus, when they had their hands as deeply in the whole program as she did.
I’m still trying to figure out why Mendez has a problem with Halsey.
I really find Mendez’s portrayal the most irritating of the lot. The others you can come up with some sort of excuse for, but Mendez was directly involved in not one, but 2 spartan programs (the S-III’s aren’t really any morally better beyond better survival rate). As a soldier who was part of it all, he should understand how the chain of command effects things. Even if he didn’t like being part of both programs (which until then, I dont believe we saw any reason to believe he resented them) and was just doing his job, surely he should understand that Halsey was also doing her job…
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> > @Dr Halsey: Sure, but you go for what you know and Halsey was front and centre of the program, its ‘public face’ so to speak and one that would be fixated on, as opposed to Fat Bob, who is also culpable, that balanced the books and worked out logistics. The fact others deserve scorn doesn’t mean Halsey wouldn’t/shouldn’t get it.
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> Not to get real world politcsy, but look at the whole privacy scare that happened after Edward Snowden revealed info on things. People weren’t calling for the head of who was in charge of the actual surveillance, I dont think a name was even given, people were mad at the government for authorizing it.
If the CIA had such a program and it got exposed, i’d doubt you would find a single shred to disporove that it wasn’t a “rogue operation conducted by few mentally unstable individuals” regardless of the actual circumstances. Nobody would ever know better. The project lead would “commit suicide” along with some unimportant mid level administrators. And that’s what happened with Halsey. Her name is on the papers. It was her that the kids saw being in charge of the illegal and unethical experiments conducted on them. And most importantly she isn’t politically important nor does she have friends who are (or any friends, really, being the people person she is 
). Parangosky and HIGHCOM set the whole thing up so that Halsey and maybe few other sacrificial lambs would take the fall if the project was ever exposed. I’m pretty sure if the project would actually come in to public knowledge you’d see Mendez et al dropping like flies too but right now its still contained so Halsey is the only one to go down as a sacrifice to alleviate the guilty concience of the UNSC and to placate those individual Spartans who do, justifiably, feel resentment towards her.
(For the record, the person i most want to see hang for their direct involvement in the project is Mendez. He wasn’t an amoral spook or a civilian but a soldier who knew better but did it anyway)
The mass surveillance thing isn’t really the same thing as it was such a huge, nebulous thing spanning several administrations that you would have been hard pressed to pin it on any individuals. Also, spy organizations spying on people is not as big a moral shock as kidnapping and experimenting on children would be. Instead it was just swept under the rug after the initial kerfuffle and business continues as usual for the organizations involved.