My opinion on ODSTs VS Spartan IVs

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Hello Everybody! This is officially my first post on the forums, and I usually don’t do this type of stuff, but here we go!

What I want to discuss today; What are everyone’s opinions are on the Spartan IVs?
Let’s just start off on what I think:

ODSTs were a sub-class of marine shock troopers that were introduced in Halo 2. From then on ODSTs were widely known and loved for being suicide-run-esque soldiers that were deployed in high risk, behind enemy lines operations. They were also known as “Hell-Jumpers” due to their famous mission insertion of ‘Drop Pods’ or Single Occupant Exoatmospheric Insertion Vehicle (SOEIV) which were dropped in low orbit onto planet surfaces in a matter of minutes. ODSTs were always my favorite type of UNSC unit from Halo 3: ODST and onward, for their vulgarity, intense bravery, unique and cool looking armor, and overall disregard for their own lives in order to complete the mission. As stated in Halo: Glasslands, "For an ODST, it was never a matter of IF you died, but a matter of When." Hence why the organization consists entirely of volunteer, top-notch marines.

Now on to the discussion of Spartan IVs

When I first started playing Halo and learning of the plot and lore behind it, I always asked myself. “Why don’t they just make more Spartans? It worked pretty well the first time.” Then when Halo 4 was released, I finally got my answer. These newest editions to the Spartan program were not nearly as strong as their predecessors, due to Spartan IIs being trained at very young age, with peak genetics, and Spartan IIIs being consisted of orphans volunteering to join after their home worlds were glassed and their families killed. Spartan IVs were produced by the new discoveries of human augmentation, and volunteered adults, not children. This made them significantly weaker, but also cheaper, ethical to make, and have the ability to produce them in mass quantities. The Spartan IVs armor is also very sleek looking, cleaner, and advanced compared to Spartan II and III armor. However, it was also explained that many ODSTs formed the ‘bulk’ of the Spartan IV program, and this worries me. Why you ask? For many reasons of course:

Halo 3 ODST shifted the player from playing as a hulking and silent super soldier that crushed enemies without hesitation, to a hardened but soft, unaugmented human soldier. It made me realize how close humanity was to losing the war without Spartans. Even as a hotshot Hell Jumper, enemies took barely any effort to crush you, even on the lower difficulties. It made me feel vulnerable without the advanced battle armor of previous Halo games. What I’m trying to get to here, is that if every living ODST to this point joined the Spartan IV program, where would my favorite regular human being bad*sses be? In Halo 4, the ODSTs were nowhere to be seen throughout Spartan Ops, or the Campaign. Are they slowly being replaced? I would hope not, ODSTs proved to players that it doesn’t take fancy power armor and ripped human bodies to be Alien butt kicking fighters.

Overall, I think the Spartan IVs are a great addition to the franchise and I think they are a neat topic, but I don’t want them to replace ODSTs.
Hell Jumpers are just as much as a hallmark to the Halo franchise, as the Spartans are.

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The Spartans are the best armored, and trained in the UNSC. The ODST soldiers are weak and die all the time. My money is always on the Spartan 2’s, mainly John Sierra 117.

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> The Spartans are the best armored, and trained in the UNSC. The ODST soldiers are weak and die all the time. My money is always on the Spartan 2’s, mainly John Sierra 117.

I agree with you completely on that topic and I know Spartans numerous times before have even taken on a whole squad of ODSTs in brawls and won. But I like ODSTs in the sense that they’re just regular human beings that go in with regular inexpensive armor and kill aliens really efficiently, not as much as the Spartans of course. But like I said above, Halo 3: ODST has proven that you don’t need power armor and super human strength to kick *ss and take names.

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I think that ODST’s should be kept as well. First, not everyone is compatible with the augmentation, so there’s that. But there’s also the need for badasses on the field without the overkill Spartans bring to the team. I’m sure 343 know that too

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I’m glad I’ve found someone that agrees with me! Also you brought up a point about the augmentation not being completely compatible that I completely forgot about so thanks for that!

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i think that they should keep the odst’s and Spartans separate.

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I really enjoy seeing the ODSTs in the halo games. I remember my first time playing Halo 2’s mission Delta Halo, when chief drops down with the ODSTs. I loved seeing how they acted and how they always yelled profanities at the enemy and what not. Then the experience of playing as one in Halo 3: ODST and seeing the war through their eyes as they dropped into battles was just amazing. I missed their presence in Halo 4, and I really hope to see them in Halo 5.

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I think Odsts should remain as they were in early times, if you saw halo legends you know that even if odsts are the best of the best, spartans are much better, AND! Spartans are much less in numbers, not every one has the skill of an odst, and even less people are selected as spartans, odsts have a specific profiles and Spartans grow with psychological patterns due it’s training, with all that said, I don’t like too much the combination, a never-stop-talking spartan like Palmer, is an awful one, they think they’re super soldiers when they’re not… In halo legends you could see how odsts where put in their place by the Spartan that accompanied them; in halo 4 Spartan ops you saw how Palmer tries to kill Halsey, something that no one in the S II program would even think about, except may be for the failed candidates; there’s just a few times and cases where Spartans IV are not -Yoinks!-, and in the case of Palmer just two times she shows respect to MC in the middle and at the end of the campaign. My point is… Spartans and odsts should be exclusive groups and not mixable, if they become mixable we get stupid -Yoink- Spartans who thinks they’re invincible and none odsts, when we should have -Yoinks!- but death aware odsts and quiet super pro spartans and both on really small groups.

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> I really enjoy seeing the ODSTs in the halo games. I remember my first time playing Halo 2’s mission Delta Halo, when chief drops down with the ODSTs. I loved seeing how they acted and how they always yelled profanities at the enemy and what not. Then the experience of playing as one in Halo 3: ODST and seeing the war through their eyes as they dropped into battles was just amazing. I missed their presence in Halo 4, and I really hope to see them in Halo 5.

I really hope to see them as well too! I think it would be a big mistake not putting them back into the game franchise.

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Necroposting! \m/
ODSTs are the best 'cause wok hard to be ODSTs, they choose to be ODSTs. They don’t get enough recognition.
And… No ODSTs in halo 5. Thanks, 343i!

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> i think that they should keep the odst’s and Spartans separate.

I see no reason to mix them together.

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Odst still have a place because you still can’t produce that many Mjolnir armor for shock troops. Think how bad it’d be to loose 200 Siv because of some botched drop. Still good to have your old fashioned dirt chewers out there doing what they do

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