My guess as to why 85% is better than 100% to combat spamming

Games Other Halo
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Note: I still hate bloom as its -heavily- luck based and waiting takes next to no skill.

Hey guys, I’ve seen alot of posts that say “well if 100% was spammy, 85% is even worse!”,
which on paper sounds correct. However personal experience says otherwise. Although kill times are indeed quicker (which is good), what pacing left is actualy beneficial.

Heres my theory why. I think that although you can fire and bloom will go up less, that means it goes down quicker. That means pacing takes less time to do so efficiently, while although complete spammers can fire fast for the first 3 shots, the 4th and 5th still go to max bloom size.

Any 1 think this sounds right??

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Wrong.

If you think 100% bloom is so horribly luck based, then lowering the bloom at all, even something like 95%, only increases the effectiveness of spamming.

Period.

There is no grey area in this argument.

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> Wrong.
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> If you think 100% bloom is so horribly luck based, then lowering the bloom at all, even something like 95%, only increases the effectiveness of spamming.
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> Period.
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> There is no grey area in this argument.

How?

First off, its beneficial to actualy pace now.

Secondly, now the circle is generally smaller, so that means less possible locations for shots to go which = less luck.

Sorry bro, your wrong. Period.

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> Wrong.
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> If you think 100% bloom is so horribly luck based, then lowering the bloom at all, even something like 95%, only increases the effectiveness of spamming.
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> Period.
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> There is no grey area in this argument.

Opinion

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You would think that yes. Even I thought that, but after playing it I would,say pacing is more effective on 85. You still lose to spammers of course, but I like the added benefit of faster gameplay.

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same^

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> Wrong.
>
> If you think 100% bloom is so horribly luck based, then lowering the bloom at all, even something like 95%, only increases the effectiveness of spamming.
>
> Period.
>
> There is no grey area in this argument.

Don’t listen to this troll OP, he loves preach that what he believes to be fact when he actually knows very little about the game.

What you’re saying is true, and most of us realize it. While spamming is 10% more effective, pacing is 50% more effective, meaning there is no reason to spam. It is now similar to the NR, Reach Pistol or CE pistol. Sure you can fire your shots off slightly faster while spamming, but if you miss 1 shot it is no longer worth it on 85%.

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> > Wrong.
> >
> > If you think 100% bloom is so horribly luck based, then lowering the bloom at all, even something like 95%, only increases the effectiveness of spamming.
> >
> > Period.
> >
> > There is no grey area in this argument.
>
> Don’t listen to this troll OP, he loves preach that what he believes to be fact when he actually knows very little about the game.
>
> What you’re saying is true, and most of us realize it. While spamming is 10% more effective, pacing is 50% more effective, meaning there is no reason to spam. It is now similar to the NR, Reach Pistol or CE pistol. Sure you can fire your shots off slightly faster while spamming, but if you miss 1 shot it is no longer worth it on 85%.

I am not a troll by any means. I don’t “love to preach” anything… I hardly even visit the forums due to the mishandling of the Halo franchise by 343i’s thus far. It’s been a pretty pathetic ride.

If people like yourself, and plenty of other people, want to call out 100% bloom for being so luck-based and game ruining, then lowering it is the worst possible solution for the problem.

Myself, and plenty of other people, have been saying the same thing since the freaking beta… Higher bloom, faster reticle reset rate than 100% bloom. I have no clue how 343i’s hasn’t thought of this yet… I don’t get paid millions of dollars a year to make videogames. And yet I figured this out very quickly.

This is the ideal and ONLY way to implement a bloom system into any Halo game. Without it, you might as well scrap the entire idea and make it 0 bloom.

All 85% bloom does is make spamming more effective. Period. Literally there is not a single thing you can say that actually makes logical sense.

100% bloom = bad because of the “lucky kills” that are attributed to it when full on spamming. Spamming is far too effective.

85% bloom = bad because of the “lucky” kills that are attributed to it when full on spamming. Spamming is far too effective, even more effective than 100% bloom spamming.

If the only way to refute this simple chain of logic is by calling me a “troll”, I truly feel sorry for what the Halo community has become.

@Pharmassist - Yes, the slightly sped up gameplay is a good thing. But that can be alleviated with a simple change of weapon damage, not messing with a bloom system that has yet to have a serious solution besides scrapping it altogether.

@Spiniest - It’s always been more beneficial to pace… Just not as good as it could have been.

And the reticle is smaller, but still has a random, luck factor that plenty of players can’t get over. So 0 bloom is the ONLY way to go if a simple concept like mine and plenty of other players can’t be implemented. Higher reticle reset rate, larger bloom.

Obviously the entire concept of bloom just doesn’t make sense to you… Which is fine. The “lucky” kills will always be there, regardless of how theoretically perfect the system can be made. Which I am ok with the next Halo game having no bloom… But the seriously terrible alterations made to bloom thus far are just awful.

343i’s needs to go to just 0 bloom and not try to fix it. They obviously don’t get it, and the community hates it (Well, just the extreme minority, but still overall I think most of the community doesn’t really understand it).

0 bloom is the way to go from here on out. It’s just so much simpler… It will give them time to work on much more important things, like the entire new trilogy that we’re getting.

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Its more about how you can spam a headshot all the way out to medium range with a pretty damn high consistency rate now, much more than with vanilla bloom, and even medium-long if youre zoomed. And it even becomes zero bloom if you simply crouch, meaning you can spam headshots clear across Haemorrhage now if you just crouch and zoom, madness. So yes, spamming is now much worse and i remember it was one of the first things people complained about on here the day TU dropped.

Instead of levelling the playing field by really rewarding pacers who line up their shots properly (which 115% would probably do), 343i has instead gone the other way and tried to level it by rewarding every spammer out there with consistent headshots. I suppose thats one way of making it fair, make the rifle gunplay equally crappy for everyone :confused:

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> Its more about how you can spam a headshot all the way out to medium range with a pretty damn high consistency rate now, much more than with vanilla bloom, and even medium-long if youre zoomed. And it even becomes zero bloom if you simply crouch, meaning you can spam headshots clear across Haemorrhage now if you just crouch and zoom, madness. So yes, spamming is now much worse and i remember it was one of the first things people complained about on here the day TU dropped.
>
> Instead of levelling the playing field by really rewarding pacers who line up their shots properly (which 115% would probably do), 343i has instead gone the other way and tried to level it by rewarding every spammer out there with consistent headshots. I suppose thats one way of making it fair, make the rifle gunplay equally crappy for everyone :confused:

Yup, I completely agree. I even get killed by guests now.

Thanks for nothing 343i. I guess I’ll just wait for Bungie’s new IP to be revealed at e3 most likely.

It’s a shame that the Halo franchise didn’t stay where it belongs(with Bungie.)

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I wouldnt go that far. I still have faith in 343i even if theyve been making some mistakes recently imo. There are a lot of talented people there.

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> Its more about how you can spam a headshot all the way out to medium range with a pretty damn high consistency rate now, much more than with vanilla bloom, and even medium-long if youre zoomed. And it even becomes zero bloom if you simply crouch, meaning you can spam headshots clear across Haemorrhage now if you just crouch and zoom, madness. So yes, spamming is now much worse and i remember it was one of the first things people complained about on here the day TU dropped.
>
> Instead of levelling the playing field by really rewarding pacers who line up their shots properly (which 115% would probably do), 343i has instead gone the other way and tried to level it by rewarding every spammer out there with consistent headshots. I suppose thats one way of making it fair, make the rifle gunplay equally crappy for everyone :confused:

Bungie already did vanilla Reach and people didn’t like it, just cause YOU liked it doesn’t mean the rest of the community did! And yeah yeah yeah the same could be said about me “just cause I myself didn’t like it doesn’t mean the rest of the community hated it”

But I guess my side of the story checks out a little more since 343i decided to change vanilla, its not like they changed bloom to personally anger you! The majority NOT minority HATE vanilla Reach.

I adapted to the bloom since before S-Run, Bloom was old news to me when I played the Reach Beta in fact it made it easier to kill people since I knew the younger crowd was going have problems adjusting. I take full advantage of Bloom BUT it dramatically slows down game play and fast game play is the distinctive detail that separates Halo from other FPS.

You dont have to be rude to the community and presume their all idiots for not knowing how to pace, many of the gamers in the community are great Reach players, but they’re probably not enjoying Reach as it was or is, tbh I bet the majority of good Reach players hate the Bloom more than you think, Maybe the majority of the Bloom lovers are the casuals or less skilled.

Pacing is easy! I really dont think that is separates good from bad THAT MUCH, I’ve played friends on CE/H2/H3 that absolutely destroy me but on Reach I murder them! That doesn’t mean I’m better just shooting slower, and slower is bad! I can guarantee you that if they paced they would destroy me no problem, but they want Reach to be fast like the past Halos and shooting fast just doesn’t work on Reach(NOW with ZB it does thank god!). Halo is a fast pace game and the Bloom just slows it down even if it was dropped down to 30%. Even CE Pistol could be shot a full speed and it was accurate as long as you dont hold down the trigger which shoots just as fast or maybe a little slower than rapid fire!

ZB worked for H2/H3 and CE had maybe like 5% or 10% Bloom on Pistol, why Bungie build an entire video game around the Bloom and it being the principle 100% addition to a game who’s history had Bloom as a small insignificant system ONLY MEANT FOR AUTOMATICS NOT PRECISION RIFLES! is beyond me!

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> > Its more about how you can spam a headshot all the way out to medium range with a pretty damn high consistency rate now, much more than with vanilla bloom, and even medium-long if youre zoomed. And it even becomes zero bloom if you simply crouch, meaning you can spam headshots clear across Haemorrhage now if you just crouch and zoom, madness. So yes, spamming is now much worse and i remember it was one of the first things people complained about on here the day TU dropped.
> >
> > Instead of levelling the playing field by really rewarding pacers who line up their shots properly (which 115% would probably do), 343i has instead gone the other way and tried to level it by rewarding every spammer out there with consistent headshots. I suppose thats one way of making it fair, make the rifle gunplay equally crappy for everyone :confused:
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> Yup, I completely agree. I even get killed by guests now.
>
> Thanks for nothing 343i. I guess I’ll just wait for Bungie’s new IP to be revealed at e3 most likely.
>
> It’s a shame that the Halo franchise didn’t stay where it belongs(with Bungie.)

343i’s has mishandled the franchise since day 1 of complete control. I haven’t looked forward to a single one of their “updates” or weekly updates. They are just plain awful so far.

Just another couple points… Any advantages to pacing because of 85% bloom are instantly negated because of the advantages of 85% bloom for spammers. It’s just simple math. There literally is not a single argument against this that makes any sort of sense.

The best hope for the Halo franchise is just to scrap bloom altogether. If 343i’s isn’t willing to put up with the work of making a bloom system that actually functions, than just screw it.

I’m not going to pay for a mediocre game that copies Bungie. Period.

I am incredibly excited for what Bungie has in store right now… I have a feeling Halo is going to be completely forgotten by me and plenty of other gamers. Unless 343i’s actually smartens up and makes the game playable, at best.

Thanks for the support to an obviously horrid idea…

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> > Its more about how you can spam a headshot all the way out to medium range with a pretty damn high consistency rate now, much more than with vanilla bloom, and even medium-long if youre zoomed. And it even becomes zero bloom if you simply crouch, meaning you can spam headshots clear across Haemorrhage now if you just crouch and zoom, madness. So yes, spamming is now much worse and i remember it was one of the first things people complained about on here the day TU dropped.
> >
> > Instead of levelling the playing field by really rewarding pacers who line up their shots properly (which 115% would probably do), 343i has instead gone the other way and tried to level it by rewarding every spammer out there with consistent headshots. I suppose thats one way of making it fair, make the rifle gunplay equally crappy for everyone :confused:
>
> Yup, I completely agree. I even get killed by guests now.
>
> Thanks for nothing 343i. I guess I’ll just wait for Bungie’s new IP to be revealed at e3 most likely.
>
> It’s a shame that the Halo franchise didn’t stay where it belongs(with Bungie.)

Which Bungie do you mean?

The Old ORIGINAL Bungie that Started CE/H2 and launched FPS into the competitive online phenomenon that it is today?

The Oldish kinda semi-new Bungie behind H3?

The Basically, COMPLETELY NEW Bungie that spawned Reach and are made of primarily NON-Halo developers who dont know how a True Halo plays? I know they dont know Halo. I MYSELF PLAYED AGAINST THEM AND THEY ARE WORST THAN 10 YEARS OLDS, They completely suck at Halo!

And is Halo really in bad hands now even though its back with one of the Original Members who help create the Halo the world knows and loves? I think its in good hands, The New Bungie had it for a year and disaster happened.

oh and if your getting killed by guest now than I dont think thats 343i fault buddy! :confused:

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> 343i’s has mishandled the franchise since day 1 of complete control. I haven’t looked forward to a single one of their “updates” or weekly updates. They are just plain awful so far.
>
> Just another couple points… Any advantages to pacing because of 85% bloom are instantly negated because of the advantages of 85% bloom for spammers. It’s just simple math. There literally is not a single argument against this that makes any sort of sense.
>
> The best hope for the Halo franchise is just to scrap bloom altogether. If 343i’s isn’t willing to put up with the work of making a bloom system that actually functions, than just screw it.
>
> I’m not going to pay for a mediocre game that copies Bungie. Period.
>
> I am incredibly excited for what Bungie has in store right now… I have a feeling Halo is going to be completely forgotten by me and plenty of other gamers. Unless 343i’s actually smartens up and makes the game playable, at best.
>
> Thanks for the support to an obviously horrid idea…

What is this I don’t even.

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> The best hope for the Halo franchise is just to scrap bloom altogether. If 343i’s isn’t willing to put up with the work of making a bloom system that actually functions, than just screw it.
>
> I’m not going to pay for a mediocre game that copies Bungie. Period.
>
> I am incredibly excited for what Bungie has in store right now… I have a feeling Halo is going to be completely forgotten by me and plenty of other gamers. Unless 343i’s actually smartens up and makes the game playable, at best.
>
> Thanks for the support to an obviously horrid idea…

I agree that the Bloom should just be removed all together completely off Reach! Man that would be sick and I would easily play Reach again.

As for not paying for a mediocre game that copies Bungie, Well Frank O’Connor did once work for the Original Bungie and has reclaimed his birthright.

But you did (as well as ALL OF US) buy a Bungie game that copied Activision-Infinity Ward/FASA Studios Interactive/Valve Corporation/ and EPIC! :wink:

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I don’t think that people understand that Reach is not solely DMR to DMR or Needle Rifle to Needle Rifle combat. Sometimes in BTB I, after getting like a killing spree or something, almost completely run out of DMR ammo. Therefore, I am forced to switch to my Assault Rifle. In regular Reach, I still have a chance for survival. If I could get in range, I could possibly kill someone with a DMR who just spams it uncontrollably, grab his ammo, and keep on killin’. But recently I had to do this in a TU game, and I didn’t last a minute, even if I was with my team. Point being said, anything less than 100% bloom is pretty unbalanced if you’re using an automatic weapon. Cross mapping with 85% or zero bloom is also ridiculous. That is exactly why 85% bloom is bad, it’s just less balanced and too many spammers can get easy kills.

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Wow. Really?? 85% is so much better than 100%. First off, it makes strafing more effective than it was before. Pacing is much better than spamming. Because spamming won’t guarantee you that headshot, while pacing will and will do it faster. Since pacing is faster now, spamming is not as effective. They might still get shots on you, but they did that before. There is less luck involved now.

And seriously!? When you crouch and zoom, you still have bloom. I have tried this multiple times in the TU and you still have bloom! I don’t know where you get your information from. If you don’t like getting cross-map killed, then don’t walk into the open. It’s as simple as that. Play smart and you will do better.

Cross map spamming is ineffective because you will be out of range for the bullet magnetism to take effect. So the only way you will die fro cross-mapping is from a pacer (which is the same in vanilla).

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> The Basically, COMPLETELY NEW Bungie that spawned Reach and are made of primarily NON-Halo developers who dont know how a True Halo plays? I know they dont know Halo.

You know you can say the exact same thing about 343i?

> And is Halo really in bad hands now even though its back with one of the Original Members who help create the Halo the world knows and loves?

Who?

There are still FAR more of the people that helped create the ORIGINAL Halo at Bungie than there are at 343i.

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I prefer 85%, i pace a lot more now.