My Concerns about Gameplay and Art Direction

Games Halo Infinite
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I really hope this is not gonna be removed just like happened in Reddit.

In short, I’m sick of the narrative behind Halo infinite developement: basically, there are two faction (like always in Halo community history) which are unable/unwilling to communicate and find a common ground for discussing about what we saw in july. On one side, we have a big part of the community which is making noises since the 23 of july and only for one reason: GRAPHICS. These people are mostly Bungie fan who never gave a real chance to 343 to make a good Halo, even though some segments of what they made are really precious (H4 story, H5 multiplayer).
On the other we have very famous youtube content creators which are unable to move real critics to the game because lowering the hype isn’t an option for their channel. So they rather prefer to speculate for another year about things that realistically never gonna appear in the final product.
I think that if we want to be listened by 343, we’re doing everything wrong. Look, idgaf about the graphics, I still enjoy halo ce so this critics really doesn’t fit me. At the same time during these years I game to 343 a lot of chances to make solid and complete game, however the demo reveal was a huge disappointment for me.

I’m just worried that complains about how the game looks make everything else worthless to take in consideration, and that’s would be a huge problem since Halo IS AND SHOULD AlWAYS BE FIRST AND FOREMOST ABLOUT GAMEPLAY, so here’s my first consideration:

  • what we saw is a big involution. Maybe I’m a bit naive, but I really thought H5 mythic arena settings would have been the foundation for Infinite (and I had a -Yoink!- for that). In 5 years every time 343 spoke out It made clear that they would strive for a good mix between old and new gameplay… nevertheless Infinite gameplay takes almost everything that was criticised during guardians, REMOVE one of the few good introductions to the halo formula (thruster pack), and added the less appealing feature of old halos (equipements, which are too many, differents and randomic to make a game competitive) just in order to make Infinite more “halo3ish”. That’s NOT how you blend different elements. Now we’ll play with the same absence of map control + tedious equipements.

Then it comes my second complain, which is all ablout story, environment and art style:

  • ok, ofc we still haven’t played the game so I cannot be 100% sure, however I’m very worried 343 is gonna retcon everything built around prometheans and basically 10 years of Halo lore, only because everyone like covenant and flood so they decided to follow the mass. I hope I’m wrong.
  • 343 since 2018 show us a big return to old art style, which i guess is ok, even tho I defended the 343 right to make their own game and so art choices. However, i cannot see coherence in what they showed us. They justified covenant different art style in 4 and 5 because it was a different faction and that’s ok, then we saw another style in halo wars 2 because the banished had a very unique look. Ok, fine, PERFECT. So, why tf did I just witnessed to the SAME faction of wars 2 but with the same old covenant art style? This really drives me crazy! Old style was about curves and light colours which reflected order and religion whereas bright colors and spikes reflect the tribalism and brutality of banished, so why they made this choice without any context? Furthermore, some of the most iconic human weapons totally changed their style… so… whatever…

I really need to tell you about this because nobody seem to really care about these things, ofc this is just my opinion. So, what do you think about that?

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We haven’t seen the multiplayer yet. How are you already criticizing it?

As you said yourself, Halo 5 had solid MP with it’s main issue being a lack of gametypes and maps at launch. We don’t know how equipment factors into map control in Infinite, it might even be the greatest addition to MP in Halo history for all we know. As for Thruster Pack, that may be a piece of equipment as well. Halo Infinite will be a service game which means it will change drastically over time, even moreso than Halo 5 did. Let’s wait to see what exactly they’re cooking up before all this doom and gloom, shall we?

And to 343i, right now would be a good time to start talking about and showing Infinite MP so we can actually start giving constructive feedback (good or bad) before your game launches. Preferably, with some sort of Beta or flighting experience

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> We haven’t seen the multiplayer yet. How are you already criticizing it?
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> As you said yourself, Halo 5 had solid MP with it’s main issue being a lack of gametypes and maps at launch. We don’t know how equipment factors into map control in Infinite, it might even be the greatest addition to MP in Halo history for all we know. As for Thruster Pack, that may be a piece of equipment as well. Halo Infinite will be a service game which means it will change drastically over time, even moreso than Halo 5 did. Let’s wait to see what exactly they’re cooking up before all this doom and gloom, shall we?
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> And to 343i, right now would be a good time to start talking about and showing Infinite MP so we can actually start giving constructive feedback (good or bad) before your game launches. Preferably, with some sort of Beta or flighting experience

ofc i’ll wait for the final release, however i’m pretty sure equipements will work in the same way they did in halo 3, so adding a randomic layer to the already perfect halo 2 gameplay. Furthermore, i don’t understand your thought about thruster pack: it would be a nightmare if it is an equipment, it must be integrated in the core gameplay.

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The major part of the reason Halo Infinite gets so much flak for its graphics is because of how Infinite was set up to be. Halo Infinite was supposed to represent the next-gen of gaming for Xbox, and many were underwhelmed by what we saw because we were expecting something mind-blowing. Instead, we got something that looks fine, but probably isn’t taking full advantage of the Series X, despite the game being supposedly natively developed for that console. No wonder people are all up in arms about it. Microsoft set a really high bar for what to expect coming into the trailer. The game had been in development for a while, which doesn’t help 343’s case. In the end, we got what we got, and our expectations were undercut.

That said, talking about everything else though is just as important to the game. I don’t think other features of the game get talked about as much as the graphics, which is unfortunate, though I still do see them time to time. Frankly, it seems like their compromise between modern and classic would do more harm than good for their case. Modern fans aren’t going to appreciate the loss of thrusters and other features that were related to modern gameplay(GroundPound), and classic fans aren’t exactly going to be fond of the features they’ve been criticizing since Halo 4(Sprint, Slide, Clamber, etc). Whether or not either side will be fine with what they get, which I doubt, is yet to be determined. But I don’t think that it’ll play out well for 343 either way. I like the different gameplay styles of Halo, especially Reach’s(excluding armor lock…), but scrapping some parts of either to appease the other is a risky move that could just diminish the style of both groups. I’ll wait and see till we get MP gameplay, though.

As for story and art styles, this really bugs me the most. I’m kinda deep into the lore and consistency when it comes to it, though not the heaviest, and they’d have to give some damn good Forerunner magic to convince me that the Prometheans are completely erased after Halo 5 and are in no way not in Infinite. Otherwise, while it probably won’t bother some, that’d be absolutely blood-boiling to see. As much as I get that the Prometheans aren’t the most fun enemy to fight, completely scrapping them from the canon would be such an inconsistency that I couldn’t accept from 343 just because everyone hates em. If there’s an artistic change or a gameplay change that makes them better, I’d be fine with it and it could be written off as Cortana just being wacky with the Prometheans, but them being wiped off the face of the galaxy or not relevant in Infinite would just hurt.

The other thing with the Banished is also an inconsistency thing I’m not really a fan of. The Banished aesthetic has a purpose behind it. The Banished is not the Covenant, birthed from literally revolting against them, yet they’re going into battle with the same gear they wore under the empire that they despised and did very little to -Yoink!- it. Again there better be some damn good Forerunner magic behind it otherwise I’m not a fan. I get other people like the distinguishing of ranks by color, but they couldn’t at least change the armor in some way to make it look more aligned with the Banished? I could pick up the grunts, brutes(excluding the ones in black and red), and elites that were prevalent in the trailer, slap them into the Covenant, and I would never have guessed that they were Banished troops. That also said, we definitely don’t know the fully story, and I have some faith in 343 to explain that design choice instead of sticking with HW2’s choices during Infinite, but it still stands that the Covenant design kinda ruins the aesthetic of the Banished. Unless they aren’t the Banished, which in that case, what the hell is going on, man?

The replacement of some select human weapons in favor of 343’s plans didn’t sit well with many. Like, at all. I hate them, a good couple others hate them, and so on so forth. They did the same thing in Halo 5 with the Rocket Launcher, and it looks like they’re doing it again despite the amount of criticism they got for it back when 5 came out. It just feels completely ignorant to the whole point of what we were trying to argue with changing iconic styles. They are iconic, and shouldn’t have to be disregarded. The Rocket Launcher in 5 was essentially a skin, so they had no excuse, while the Sidekick supposedly functions more like a traditional sidearm than the Magnum. While I’m still not a fan of the choice to ditch the Magnum, I’ll give it a chance. But its on thin ice.

There’s a good couple of bad signs in what 343 has shown us in Infinite. I’m not certain that the game will be good, and I don’t think others should be either. What really stings is that you can pre-order the game right now(through a few companies), despite us knowing so little about it and having only some reason to have faith in the game to be good(especially if you’re only buying the Campaign, so that Campaign better be spectacular if I’m paying $60 or more because of inflation for it). I said it before, 343 has no benefit of the doubt from the Halo community, and for them to open pre-orders now when they don’t even have a definite release date given to us gives me the impression they think they do. They say they’re getting a plan straight, and I do genuinely think they do, but there hasn’t been much reassurance that they will deliver something that will get us something more substantial. Taco Bell commercials generate hype, and while we do need hype, we also need to know more about this game before we go out and buy it.

But that’s just my two cents.

P.S. If I were you, I’d change the title to something a bit geared more towards the actual criticisms you have towards the game and leave the complaints about the community factions in the backburner(ex. “My Concerns about Gameplay and Consistency”). probably puts the thread at risk of being locked. It sounds pretty troll-y in its current state, actually the part where you do mention the division the community sounds troll-y as it is, and I’d hate for something that brings a solid overall message about talking more than just the graphics to get shut down for that. But that’s just me

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343 basically took the worst route possible by ditching the H5 fans who liked being able to zoom around at the press of a button and use abilities but still retain the features old fans like myself will NEVER like ( sprint, slide, clamber and ADS ).
From the looks of the trailer the equipment shown off seems to be a direct downgrade from H3, equipment in H3 was neutral and effected both parties involved ( bubble shield can’t be shot through and both teams can use it, same with regen field ) by making it only beneficial to the team that uses it ( the drop shield showed in the demo was completely one sided for MC and is just a straight up advantage ).
Now this could work in MP if equipment is used in place of a powerup/weapon but other than that is just silly and breaks from the Halo formula. On top of that, every new weapon 343 has introduced to Halo has either been OK or bad and every gun shown off in infinite looks bad, a covenant ripoff of the BR? a revolver? a shotgun that requires no skill as it can reload instantly? a useless sidearm? a bigger beefier version of the plasma BR? and a generic assault rifle that does extra damage and has zoom…amazing?
343 doesn’t seem to learn from their mistakes and I’m afraid Infinite is going to flop because nobody is going to like it, it won’t appeal to any fans and won’t steal any fans away from other games ( this could be why the MP is FTP as they know it would flop otherwise ).

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Out of the 8 min gameplay and you guys literally complained about everything. Complaining about MP and we haven’t even seen it, pondering on equipment and we haven’t been told what is or isn’t equipment, a handful of weapons and because they don’t contain the original magnum/shotgun, etc. Then of course the usual sprint/clamber/thruster that’s throw in to every thread.

wonder why 343i doesn’t reply to threads though :man_facepalming:t2:. Pretty sure we had a H5 thread going about the double XP month which actual problems and multiple members working together to gather the data and see what was going on with it and within a day or two 343i responded with not only a post but graphical data.

this doesn’t even take into the fact that it was delayed for the betterment of the game and 343i came out and straight up said that even the marketing plan has been pushed back. I’d assume the last thing they’re going to worry about is posts like this.

my 2 cents which I’m sure I’ll get flamed on for…

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> From the looks of the trailer the equipment shown off seems to be a direct downgrade from H3, equipment in H3 was neutral and effected both parties involved ( bubble shield can’t be shot through and both teams can use it, same with regen field ) by making it only beneficial to the team that uses it ( the drop shield showed in the demo was completely one sided for MC and is just a straight up advantage ).

I mean, 343 has said that the equipment will function differently in MP. But it we want to make conclusions on MP gameplay based on a campaign demo go ahead I guess.

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> > From the looks of the trailer the equipment shown off seems to be a direct downgrade from H3, equipment in H3 was neutral and effected both parties involved ( bubble shield can’t be shot through and both teams can use it, same with regen field ) by making it only beneficial to the team that uses it ( the drop shield showed in the demo was completely one sided for MC and is just a straight up advantage ).
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> I mean, 343 has said that the equipment will function differently in MP. But it we want to make conclusions on MP gameplay based on a campaign demo go ahead I guess.

They haven’t said how and thus leave themselves open to speculation. If they didn’t want us to come up with our own conclusions then they should have said otherwise. Plus no item in Halo has functioned differently in campaign than in MP so we have no example.

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Do you have anything to back up your ridiculous claim that ALL people complaining about the graphics are Bungie fans? Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard on here in a while. Halo Infinite is supposed to be Microsofts flagship game for a new console, with next generation graphics. And when we see a game with worse graphics than H4 and H5, we’re allowed to be upset about it. Has nothing to do with being a Bungie fan.

You stated you don’t care about graphics, which is fine, but I wouldn’t make ridiculous statements just because you’re upset about the backlash. Most people won’t take you seriously.

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> Do you have anything to back up your ridiculous claim that ALL people complaining about the graphics are Bungie fans? Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard on here in a while. Halo Infinite is supposed to be Microsofts flagship game for a new console, with next generation graphics. And when we see a game with worse graphics than H4 and H5, we’re allowed to be upset about it. Has nothing to do with being a Bungie fan.
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> You stated you don’t care about graphics, which is fine, but I wouldn’t make ridiculous statements just because you’re upset about the backlash. Most people won’t take you seriously.

before giving us your rant, make sure to read properly the text next time. ty :slight_smile:

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> Do you have anything to back up your ridiculous claim that ALL people complaining about the graphics are Bungie fans? Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard on here in a while. Halo Infinite is supposed to be Microsofts flagship game for a new console, with next generation graphics. And when we see a game with worse graphics than H4 and H5, we’re allowed to be upset about it. Has nothing to do with being a Bungie fan.
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> You stated you don’t care about graphics, which is fine, but I wouldn’t make ridiculous statements just because you’re upset about the backlash. Most people won’t take you seriously.

That’s pretty common here…”OG fans” speaking for others who have been here just as long. Making bland statements that encompass what they think EVERY other Halo fan thinks/wants/says.
Tread lightly my friend, I’ve been on the receiving end of these people for making logical statements and then spent 3 worth of pages defending myself when others wanted to misquote or misinterpret information or ideas that were passed along.

this is the generation of everything has to be given and not earned

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> The major part of the reason Halo Infinite gets so much flak for its graphics is because of how Infinite was set up to be. Halo Infinite was supposed to represent the next-gen of gaming for Xbox, and many were underwhelmed by what we saw because we were expecting something mind-blowing. Instead, we got something that looks fine, but probably isn’t taking full advantage of the Series X, despite the game being supposedly natively developed for that console. No wonder people are all up in arms about it. Microsoft set a really high bar for what to expect coming into the trailer. The game had been in development for a while, which doesn’t help 343’s case. In the end, we got what we got, and our expectations were undercut.
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> That said, talking about everything else though is just as important to the game. I don’t think other features of the game get talked about as much as the graphics, which is unfortunate, though I still do see them time to time. Frankly, it seems like their compromise between modern and classic would do more harm than good for their case. Modern fans aren’t going to appreciate the loss of thrusters and other features that were related to modern gameplay(GroundPound), and classic fans aren’t exactly going to be fond of the features they’ve been criticizing since Halo 4(Sprint, Slide, Clamber, etc). Whether or not either side will be fine with what they get, which I doubt, is yet to be determined. But I don’t think that it’ll play out well for 343 either way. I like the different gameplay styles of Halo, especially Reach’s(excluding armor lock…), but scrapping some parts of either to appease the other is a risky move that could just diminish the style of both groups. I’ll wait and see till we get MP gameplay, though.
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> As for story and art styles, this really bugs me the most. I’m kinda deep into the lore and consistency when it comes to it, though not the heaviest, and they’d have to give some damn good Forerunner magic to convince me that the Prometheans are completely erased after Halo 5 and are in no way not in Infinite. Otherwise, while it probably won’t bother some, that’d be absolutely blood-boiling to see. As much as I get that the Prometheans aren’t the most fun enemy to fight, completely scrapping them from the canon would be such an inconsistency that I couldn’t accept from 343 just because everyone hates em. If there’s an artistic change or a gameplay change that makes them better, I’d be fine with it and it could be written off as Cortana just being wacky with the Prometheans, but them being wiped off the face of the galaxy or not relevant in Infinite would just hurt.
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> The other thing with the Banished is also an inconsistency thing I’m not really a fan of. The Banished aesthetic has a purpose behind it. The Banished is not the Covenant, birthed from literally revolting against them, yet they’re going into battle with the same gear they wore under the empire that they despised and did very little to -Yoink!- it. Again there better be some damn good Forerunner magic behind it otherwise I’m not a fan. I get other people like the distinguishing of ranks by color, but they couldn’t at least change the armor in some way to make it look more aligned with the Banished? I could pick up the grunts, brutes(excluding the ones in black and red), and elites that were prevalent in the trailer, slap them into the Covenant, and I would never have guessed that they were Banished troops. That also said, we definitely don’t know the fully story, and I have some faith in 343 to explain that design choice instead of sticking with HW2’s choices during Infinite, but it still stands that the Covenant design kinda ruins the aesthetic of the Banished. Unless they aren’t the Banished, which in that case, what the hell is going on, man?
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> The replacement of some select human weapons in favor of 343’s plans didn’t sit well with many. Like, at all. I hate them, a good couple others hate them, and so on so forth. They did the same thing in Halo 5 with the Rocket Launcher, and it looks like they’re doing it again despite the amount of criticism they got for it back when 5 came out. It just feels completely ignorant to the whole point of what we were trying to argue with changing iconic styles. They are iconic, and shouldn’t have to be disregarded. The Rocket Launcher in 5 was essentially a skin, so they had no excuse, while the Sidekick supposedly functions more like a traditional sidearm than the Magnum. While I’m still not a fan of the choice to ditch the Magnum, I’ll give it a chance. But its on thin ice.
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> There’s a good couple of bad signs in what 343 has shown us in Infinite. I’m not certain that the game will be good, and I don’t think others should be either. What really stings is that you can pre-order the game right now(through a few companies), despite us knowing so little about it and having only some reason to have faith in the game to be good(especially if you’re only buying the Campaign, so that Campaign better be spectacular if I’m paying $60 or more because of inflation for it). I said it before, 343 has no benefit of the doubt from the Halo community, and for them to open pre-orders now when they don’t even have a definite release date given to us gives me the impression they think they do. They say they’re getting a plan straight, and I do genuinely think they do, but there hasn’t been much reassurance that they will deliver something that will get us something more substantial. Taco Bell commercials generate hype, and while we do need hype, we also need to know more about this game before we go out and buy it.
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> But that’s just my two cents.
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> P.S. If I were you, I’d change the title to something a bit geared more towards the actual criticisms you have towards the game and leave the complaints about the community factions in the backburner(ex. “My Concerns about Gameplay and Consistency”). probably puts the thread at risk of being locked. It sounds pretty troll-y in its current state, actually the part where you do mention the division the community sounds troll-y as it is, and I’d hate for something that brings a solid overall message about talking more than just the graphics to get shut down for that. But that’s just me

well said! Unfortunately idk how to change the title, i’ll be happy to do it. Btw, ty for the time spent in the comment :smiley:

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> Out of the 8 min gameplay and you guys literally complained about everything. Complaining about MP and we haven’t even seen it, pondering on equipment and we haven’t been told what is or isn’t equipment, a handful of weapons and because they don’t contain the original magnum/shotgun, etc. Then of course the usual sprint/clamber/thruster that’s throw in to every thread.
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> wonder why 343i doesn’t reply to threads though :man_facepalming:t2:. Pretty sure we had a H5 thread going about the double XP month which actual problems and multiple members working together to gather the data and see what was going on with it and within a day or two 343i responded with not only a post but graphical data.
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> this doesn’t even take into the fact that it was delayed for the betterment of the game and 343i came out and straight up said that even the marketing plan has been pushed back. I’d assume the last thing they’re going to worry about is posts like this.
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> my 2 cents which I’m sure I’ll get flamed on for…

it’s my right to express my concerns. as i said earlier, i see very few people supporting my points so i needed to write down my opinion about Infinite. chill out…

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> well said! Unfortunately idk how to change the title, i’ll be happy to do it. Btw, ty for the time spent in the comment :smiley:

There’s an Edit button by the side of your own posts right above your original post, alongside Follow and Reply. That should allow you to edit the title/type of threat/original post.

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> > Out of the 8 min gameplay and you guys literally complained about everything. Complaining about MP and we haven’t even seen it, pondering on equipment and we haven’t been told what is or isn’t equipment, a handful of weapons and because they don’t contain the original magnum/shotgun, etc. Then of course the usual sprint/clamber/thruster that’s throw in to every thread.
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> > wonder why 343i doesn’t reply to threads though :man_facepalming:t2:. Pretty sure we had a H5 thread going about the double XP month which actual problems and multiple members working together to gather the data and see what was going on with it and within a day or two 343i responded with not only a post but graphical data.
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> > this doesn’t even take into the fact that it was delayed for the betterment of the game and 343i came out and straight up said that even the marketing plan has been pushed back. I’d assume the last thing they’re going to worry about is posts like this.
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> > my 2 cents which I’m sure I’ll get flamed on for…
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> it’s my right to express my concerns. as i said earlier, i see very few people supporting my points so i needed to write down my opinion about Infinite. chill out…

If I was going in on you, I would have quoted you. Everyone’s opinion should matter, I just see one of these types of threads a lot.

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> > Do you have anything to back up your ridiculous claim that ALL people complaining about the graphics are Bungie fans? Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard on here in a while. Halo Infinite is supposed to be Microsofts flagship game for a new console, with next generation graphics. And when we see a game with worse graphics than H4 and H5, we’re allowed to be upset about it. Has nothing to do with being a Bungie fan.
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> > You stated you don’t care about graphics, which is fine, but I wouldn’t make ridiculous statements just because you’re upset about the backlash. Most people won’t take you seriously.
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> before giving us your rant, make sure to read properly the text next time. ty :slight_smile:

Lol you might want to read what you wrote, bud. You said in your first paragraph "we have a big part of the community which is making noises since the 23 of july and only for one reason: GRAPHICS. These people are mostly Bungie fan" so what exactly did I read incorrectly?

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> > > Do you have anything to back up your ridiculous claim that ALL people complaining about the graphics are Bungie fans? Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard on here in a while. Halo Infinite is supposed to be Microsofts flagship game for a new console, with next generation graphics. And when we see a game with worse graphics than H4 and H5, we’re allowed to be upset about it. Has nothing to do with being a Bungie fan.
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> > > You stated you don’t care about graphics, which is fine, but I wouldn’t make ridiculous statements just because you’re upset about the backlash. Most people won’t take you seriously.
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> > before giving us your rant, make sure to read properly the text next time. ty :slight_smile:
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> Lol you might want to read what you wrote, bud. You said in your first paragraph "we have a big part of the community which is making noises since the 23 of july and only for one reason: GRAPHICS. These people are mostly Bungie fan" so what exactly did I read incorrectly?

as I wrote, mostly =/= all. Ofc there’ll be people concerned about the graphic which in general support new halos and 343, however people complaining about a secondary aspect like this tend to be Bungie old fans.

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> In 5 years every time 343 spoke out It made clear that they would strive for a good mix between old and new gameplay… nevertheless Infinite gameplay takes almost everything that was criticised during guardians, REMOVE one of the few good introductions to the halo formula (thruster pack), and added the less appealing feature of old halos (equipments which are too many, differents and randomic to make a game competitive) just in order to make Infinite more “halo3ish”.

Equipment is not reusable. What infinite has is armor ability pick-ups. 343i is intentionally mislabeling things like the grappling hook, to make them more palatable to the Halo community.

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Halo Infinite looks like literal mega blocks, Chief has sausage fingers and has pop in issues in the gameplay reveal, something which is usually downgraded on release. People are more than justified in calling 343 out for pulling this. I usually don’t care all that much for graphics (although this is mostly an issue of art direction) but I’ll be -Yoink!- before I buy a new xbox and a full price “next gen” game that looks like it could comfortably run on my xbone from 2014, I was born at night but not last night. Thankfully 343 have delayed the game and will hopefully work to make it look less like plastic although I wont get my hopes up for it changing significantly this late in development

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> > > > Do you have anything to back up your ridiculous claim that ALL people complaining about the graphics are Bungie fans? Sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard on here in a while. Halo Infinite is supposed to be Microsofts flagship game for a new console, with next generation graphics. And when we see a game with worse graphics than H4 and H5, we’re allowed to be upset about it. Has nothing to do with being a Bungie fan.
> > > >
> > > > You stated you don’t care about graphics, which is fine, but I wouldn’t make ridiculous statements just because you’re upset about the backlash. Most people won’t take you seriously.
> > >
> > > before giving us your rant, make sure to read properly the text next time. ty :slight_smile:
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> > Lol you might want to read what you wrote, bud. You said in your first paragraph "we have a big part of the community which is making noises since the 23 of july and only for one reason: GRAPHICS. These people are mostly Bungie fan" so what exactly did I read incorrectly?
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> as I wrote, mostly =/= all. Ofc there’ll be people concerned about the graphic which in general support new halos and 343, however people complaining about a secondary aspect like this tend to be Bungie old fans.

Again, unless you have actual facts to back up that ridiculous claim, stop stating it as fact. You would need to literally ask every person who has ever played Halo, ask if they’re a Bungie or 343 fan, and how they felt about Infinite’s graphics… and I’m gonna go out on a limb and say you haven’t done that. So just stop.

Secondly, why does it matter if someone is a fan of Bungie or 343? You keep splitting people up into these so called Community Factions, but why can’t people just be a fan of the franchise, and have legitimate concerns about the graphics?

Lastly, graphics of next gen games are not a secondary aspect. This is a Microsofts follow up to the XBOX One, and is advertised to be an amazing console, with amazing graphics. So when 343 releases a demo of their flagship game with terrible graphics, it is very concerning and people have a right to be concerned. I don’t know how much more clear I can be about that.